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FA Cup 5th Round Draw | Bristol City (A) | Page 47 | Bluemoon - the leading Manchester City forum (bluemoon-mcfc.co.uk)

 

Their supporters seem genuinely excited by the tie. A few comments of 'Bristol City will play a weakened team...it is the only one they have' but mostly saying what an amazing City Bristol is and how we are such a big City not to have been top flight for so long. They are moaning the fact that it is not a weekend game, but still pleased they'll get 4000 tickets and reckon it will be a banging night. Some old timers talking about coaches bricked in and big punch ups in years gone by.

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AppyDAZE

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Quite a nice read. Their fans always seem to have a quite humorous approach to football.

I always think of that old accusation fans started to sing at them after all the money came in..

"Where were you when you were shit?"

Oh, yeah, they actually were there, even in the 3rd tier and through all the Utd years.

It looks like another memorable night at AG is coming.

Pep likes us, remember...  well, he liked Johnson's version, let's hope Nigel's version gives them as good a game.

 

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Kodjias Wrist

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Great draw for us this and a decent set of fans as well. Makes me laugh when I hear say Man Utd or Chelsea fans giving Man City stick and call their supporters glory fans. Obviously weren't around when they were getting just under 30k a week in the third tier.

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Wanderingred

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We really impressed them with some of the football we played against them in the League Cup semi final. I remember them saying we looked better than a few of the bottom half Premier League teams they’d played. We aren’t as good as we were then but I hope we can still give a good account of ourselves. 

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W-S-M Seagull

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3 hours ago, AppyDAZE said:

Quite a nice read. Their fans always seem to have a quite humorous approach to football.

I always think of that old accusation fans started to sing at them after all the money came in..

"Where were you when you were shit?"

Oh, yeah, they actually were there, even in the 3rd tier and through all the Utd years.

It looks like another memorable night at AG is coming.

Pep likes us, remember...  well, he liked Johnson's version, let's hope Nigel's version gives them as good a game.

 

They only average about 2k empty seats per game. This is after expansion of one of the stands and now they are planning on expanding the other end too.

Man City are generally supported by the working class people of Manchester (hence the Cityzens nickname) They are technically of course the only club in the City of Manchester (Utd fans lose their rag over this) 

City don't get thousands travelling from all over the country for home games like United do. 

They've always been very well supported even when living in Uniteds shadow.

In the 80s and 90s Liverpool were only getting 30 odd k. Newcastle were getting far less than Man City during that period. 

City go deep into 4 competitions every year. That's a lot a games for the average working class fan to pay for. I doubt many can afford to do the away European nights! 

You can get season tickets for around 4/500 quid but then there is 3 separate cup schemes you have to enrol on to get priority for cup games.

Imo their support is quite impressive and it will only grow over the years. 

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Dr Balls

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Do they still have the fan (female I think) with the bell to ring during the game?That’s my recollection from the 70s Division 1 days and I have never been sure if it was just for Colin Bell or a more general thing. Certainly it was unique to them. And yes they always supported in numbers even when their team was crap and down in the third tier. It’s not like we don’t know that feeling!

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Port Said Red

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42 minutes ago, Dr Balls said:

Do they still have the fan (female I think) with the bell to ring during the game?That’s my recollection from the 70s Division 1 days and I have never been sure if it was just for Colin Bell or a more general thing. Certainly it was unique to them. And yes they always supported in numbers even when their team was crap and down in the third tier. It’s not like we don’t know that feeling!

Pompey had a bell ringer?

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8 minutes ago, archie andrews said:

And Bournemouth definitely did and think Southampton too must be a south coast thing........ 

And Lincoln took it a step further with the Air Raid Siren whenever they got a corner

RedEd73

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Not my photo. But the Man City bell lady. If guess she'd be very very old now! 

 

Edit. She passed in 2005

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downendcity

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2 hours ago, Dr Balls said:

Do they still have the fan (female I think) with the bell to ring during the game?That’s my recollection from the 70s Division 1 days and I have never been sure if it was just for Colin Bell or a more general thing. 

It's because the fan's name is Anita Ward.

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cityexile

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Never had a problem with Man City fans, and certainly remember them bringing good numbers when they used to visit us in the lower leagues. Many of their fans will have been on quite a journey.

However I can not bring myself to blow smoke up their clubs backside. Their ownership model epitomises a lot that is wrong with club football right now in England, effectively state owned with access to seemingly endless riches. Of course there are other clubs to in that arena and Man City do it well, The days however when a team could be promoted from this league, win the top league the following season, and then the year after that win the top European trophy are long gone.

Sour grapes and some jealousy? Sure, guilty as charged no doubt. However, football is really now held in a stranglehold across Europe by a few top clubs, of which a very high proportion are English. 

Man City the club are one the prime movers in that change. I hope it all comes crashing down. Their fans? Not their fault and wish them well. 

     

 

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Port Said Red

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9 minutes ago, cityexile said:

Never had a problem with Man City fans, and certainly remember them bringing good numbers when they used to visit us in the lower leagues. Many of their fans will have been on quite a journey.

However I can not bring myself to blow smoke up their clubs backside. Their ownership model epitomises a lot that is wrong with club football right now in England, effectively state owned with access to seemingly endless riches. Of course there are other clubs to in that arena and Man City do it well, The days however when a team could be promoted from this league, win the top league the following season, and then the year after that win the top European trophy are long gone.

Sour grapes and some jealousy? Sure, guilty as charged no doubt. However, football is really now held in a stranglehold across Europe by a few top clubs, of which a very high proportion are English. 

Man City the club are one the prime movers in that change. I hope it all comes crashing down. Their fans? Not their fault and wish them well. 

One thing I will say in their favour though is that having done some work up there over the last 15 years, even some United fans I have chatted to have said just how much money and work they have put into the local community, even built/rebuilt community centres and sports and leisure facilities. I don't think all those monied investors in the past were quite so philanthropic.

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Their fans have always stuck with the side since their fall to the third tier in the 90s. The only reason the other 'big 6' fans mock their fanbase is because they have nothing else to currently mock them with as Man City have been the dominant force of English football over the past 10 years. 

Have always had a soft spot for them. Imagine Man Utd being your main rival and them winning multiple trophies year after year whilst your club was just struggling to stay afloat in the 2nd tier ? 

It doesn't surprise me that their fans are so humble. For some reason Man City also haven't had the same glory hunting boom that Chelsea got post 2003.

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SydneyCity

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I was very briefly a Man City “fan”. I’m originally from Glasgow and moved down to Bristol when I was ten.

Back then parents who were less fanatical about football - including my mum - would buy their kids any kit other than Rangers/Celtic to avoid the possibility of trouble. That year, even though me and my brother were Partick Thistlle fans - she got me a red and black check Man City away kit (I have no idea why, but great kit to be fair).

A few days after moving to Bristol, I was wearing the kit in the beer garden of The Farmhouse in Nailsea. Out of nowhere, Eddie Large came up and started talking to me about Man City and how good my kit was. As a ten year old I was genuinely star struck.

Not long after, I got taken to watch Bristol City vs Aldershot and that was the end of that.

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8 hours ago, Wanderingred said:

We really impressed them with some of the football we played against them in the League Cup semi final. I remember them saying we looked better than a few of the bottom half Premier League teams they’d played. We aren’t as good as we were then but I hope we can still give a good account of ourselves. 

At least we will not go out there to just clog and constantly foul. We'll try to play football on the pitch and not in the sky.

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trickytimes

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51 minutes ago, cityexile said:

Never had a problem with Man City fans, and certainly remember them bringing good numbers when they used to visit us in the lower leagues. Many of their fans will have been on quite a journey.

However I can not bring myself to blow smoke up their clubs backside. Their ownership model epitomises a lot that is wrong with club football right now in England, effectively state owned with access to seemingly endless riches. Of course there are other clubs to in that arena and Man City do it well, The days however when a team could be promoted from this league, win the top league the following season, and then the year after that win the top European trophy are long gone.

Sour grapes and some jealousy? Sure, guilty as charged no doubt. However, football is really now held in a stranglehold across Europe by a few top clubs, of which a very high proportion are English. 

Man City the club are one the prime movers in that change. I hope it all comes crashing down. Their fans? Not their fault and wish them well. 

     

 

May be my bad memory but i did not think we played them in the lower leagues. Did not play them because they were relegated when we were promoted, and vice versa the following year. 

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2 minutes ago, trickytimes said:

May be my bad memory but i did not think we played them in the lower leagues. Did not play them because they were relegated when we were promoted, and vice versa the following year. 

Correct - We've only played them in the top two divisions

cider-manc

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I have a soft spot for Manchester City as I used to get cheap tickets as a student (5 quid for a premier league game) and as their neighbours used to win everything.

It's probably dwindled a bit as I haven't been able to get cheap tickets for the last 20 odd years and they are now the dominate force in English football!

The club has obviously changed massively in that time, and obviously there is some dubious questions that can be asked about their owners actions both home and abroad. They have however transformed what was a run down part of the city (again its very questionable who they have actually done this for....) and their fan involvement etc is a great model.

Their fans are a good bunch and do keep their sense of humour about everything, almost like they still expect it to go tits up at any moment. They also remember their history and all want to talk about goater or gow as soon as they find out who I support.

The only thing that's changed with the fans is the expectancy levels at the games - I went to an FA cup tie there once and the fans were complaining about giving the ball away too much... they won 4-0 and had about 80% possession!

 

 

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Red Skin

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7 hours ago, W-S-M Seagull said:

City don't get thousands travelling from all over the country for home games like United do. 

I wonder if perceptions are down to age?  I grew up in the 1970 when all the glory hunters were Liverpool fans. Obviously United had success in the 60s winning the European Cup, but for my parents generation the love of Man United (which was passed on to their children) and their universal popularity across the country were probably more down to two things.  The heartbreak of the Munich air in 1958 which touched the hearts of the whole country and for my parents (being Irish) was the admiration they had for George Best.

Growing up in the 70s United did have a spell in the second division and their crowds were regularly the highest in all divisions.  I'd wager at that the time these were almost exclusively Manchester/Salford based so in terms of support they aren't that different to City's.

Obviously United success in the PL era has brought them more fans across the nation and internationally.  That'll happen for any club achieved sustained success.  It is happening to Man City, Liverpool, Chelsea and all the rear.  That doesn't make their support less real and somehow something to be sneered at.  It has priced out some of the local fans which is the real sadness about the globalisation of football. 

Personally I love the fact we have a small and dedicated set of Swedish fans.  I value their support as much as any Bristolian fan.  All are welcome.  We are all one family.

Anyway.  Thrilled and slightly nervous to be playing Man City.  Whatever the result it's a massive test for our young academy players, so I can't wait to see how they get on. Hopefully Scott v Grealish will be a duel we'll all get to see.

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3 hours ago, Percy Pig said:

My main memory of the game at the etihad (other than celebrating Bobby's goal for the whole half time interval) was how fascinating their fans were by ours. It was like they'd never seen a team sing for 90 minutes before. 

Such a fun night. 

That half time will live long in the memory. What a night, almost perfect until Aguero popped up

downendcity

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36 minutes ago, Phileas Fogg said:

I loved Maine Road. Really unique looking ground.

Imagine having Oasis support you too? Can't get better than that... apart from maybe The Wurzels

This be perfect then! :)

 

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downendcity

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28 minutes ago, LondonBristolian said:

Sorry if this has said elsewhere but it's quite refreshing to see a national paper describing Man City as "facing a tough trip to Bristol City" rather than any platitudes about the smaller team enjoying our big day.  

https://www.theguardian.com/football/live/2023/jan/30/fa-cup-fifth-round-draw-live-updates

When they say "tough trip" they are referring to the three and a half hour coach drive down the M6 and M5! :)

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W-S-M Seagull

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14 minutes ago, MarcusX said:

That half time will live long in the memory. What a night, almost perfect until Aguero popped up

As we were driving to the cup game on Saturday I was telling my step son about that half time and just how amazing it was to be 1 nil up at the home of the premier league champions. 

All weekend I just had a feeling we were going to get them again. 

Hopefully in years to come my step son will be able to tell his children about a memorable night at Ashton Gate against the double Premier league champions. 

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basshead

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On 14/01/2023 at 19:35, deadredfred said:

I’ve been trying to stay humble about it all season, but the evidence is there for all to see. You’re welcome 

So when did they visit us in the lower leagues ??

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47 minutes ago, LondonBristolian said:

Sorry if this has said elsewhere but it's quite refreshing to see a national paper describing Man City as "facing a tough trip to Bristol City" rather than any platitudes about the smaller team enjoying our big day.  

https://www.theguardian.com/football/live/2023/jan/30/fa-cup-fifth-round-draw-live-updates

They might even do an actual full match report on our game for once.

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12 hours ago, sglosbcfc said:

FA Cup 5th Round Draw | Bristol City (A) | Page 47 | Bluemoon - the leading Manchester City forum (bluemoon-mcfc.co.uk)

 

Their supporters seem genuinely excited by the tie. A few comments of 'Bristol City will play a weakened team...it is the only one they have' but mostly saying what an amazing City Bristol is and how we are such a big City not to have been top flight for so long. They are moaning the fact that it is not a weekend game, but still pleased they'll get 4000 tickets and reckon it will be a banging night. Some old timers talking about coaches bricked in and big punch ups in years gone by.

 

"Manchester City will play a massively strengthened chequebook, which is the only reason its supporters think they can now give it the large one...."

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51 minutes ago, trickytimes said:

May be my bad memory but i did not think we played them in the lower leagues. Did not play them because they were relegated when we were promoted, and vice versa the following year. 

In the mid 60s Bristol City played Man City in Division 2. It depends if this is regarded as a lower league, which it probably is in Manchester. Whilst at school I made my only visit to Maine Road to see a 2-2 draw with Atyeo scoring one. I’ve just looked this up and the crowd was 19k. In the reverse fixture at Ashton Gate City had a bigger crowd. Things have changed somewhat in the intervening years 

The Gasbuster

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Like others; I have always had a bit of a soft spot for Man C.

Despite living in the shadow of Man U (a club I loathe), their fanbase has remained loyal despite some very difficult times. Been great to see them regularly beating their rivals over the last 10 years or so.

Should be a good game at AG, hoping we do ourselves proud, despite the chances of defeat being very high.

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1 hour ago, cityexile said:

However I cannot bring myself to blow smoke up their clubs backside. Their ownership model epitomises a lot that is wrong with club football right now in England, effectively state owned with access to seemingly endless riches. Of course there are other clubs to in that arena and Man City do it well, The days however when a team could be promoted from this league, win the top league the following season, and then the year after that win the top European trophy are long gone.

Yes ironic given that's precisely what Man City did when promoted from the Second Div in 66, winning the First in 68, FA Cup in 69 and League Cup and Cup Winners Cup in 70.

A golden period built on nothing more than good players and good coaching. 

Different times.

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cityexile

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1 hour ago, trickytimes said:

May be my bad memory but i did not think we played them in the lower leagues. Did not play them because they were relegated when we were promoted, and vice versa the following year. 

Fair. I was being too liberal with my comment about ‘lower leagues’ being anything than the top league. 

WECANDO

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12 hours ago, sglosbcfc said:

FA Cup 5th Round Draw | Bristol City (A) | Page 47 | Bluemoon - the leading Manchester City forum (bluemoon-mcfc.co.uk)

 

Their supporters seem genuinely excited by the tie. A few comments of 'Bristol City will play a weakened team...it is the only one they have' but mostly saying what an amazing City Bristol is and how we are such a big City not to have been top flight for so long. They are moaning the fact that it is not a weekend game, but still pleased they'll get 4000 tickets and reckon it will be a banging night. Some old timers talking about coaches bricked in and big punch ups in years gone by.

Better not let them old timers come this time. ?

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RedLionLad

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17 minutes ago, RedHienz said:

Just waiting for some tent dweller to make a post on their forum.

Someone over there is searching for a large print dictionary right now ?

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cityexile

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1 hour ago, Red Skin said:

 ...for my parents (being Irish) was the admiration they had for George Best...

 

Reminds me of the naivety of youth, or at least mine. Living as a child in N Ireland at the time, a big thing was saving up your pennies to buy a little pack that contained something like three player cards, and a little (very hard) stick of chewing gum. George Best was THE player to get. Was like you had won the lottery and you would proudly show it to everyone you were friends with.

I still remember the laughter of my mother when I went home one day and said I had swopped three cards for what I was told was ‘George Best’s brother’, and proudly showed her the card for...Clyde Best of West Ham.

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I have a soft spot for the Manchester City.

Studying up in Manchester and living in and around Maine Road you couldn't help but feel some sort of alliance with them. In general a great bunch of lads the Mancunians.

Unlike the other Manchester club. ?. London arse wipes.

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W-S-M Seagull

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14 minutes ago, Cityboy1954 said:

Mates up there loved  Gerry Gow and the Goat.

I've always followed them since the Goat went there. 

Without the Goat, would they be where they are today ?‍♂️

Hopefully he is at the game. 

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19 minutes ago, DaveInSA said:

I have a soft spot for the Manchester City.

Studying up in Manchester and living in and around Maine Road you couldn't help but feel some sort of alliance with them. In general a great bunch of lads the Mancunians.

Unlike the other Manchester club. ?. London arse wipes.

I also studied in Manchester and always found it the other way round!

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1 hour ago, RedHienz said:

Just waiting for some tent dweller to make a post on their forum.

They appear to be in a panic that some player I've never heard of, has posted something on a social media platform i don't use, might be going somewhere else to earn a living.

I'm sure that if that does happen, they'll spend the next 4 or 5 years hoping that the player will come back in some capacity as their fans scouting seems to be 'what former players can we possibly get back' rather than 'wonder what the next gem can be found' - I think that explains that signing of that pensioner Sinclair. #That. 

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2 hours ago, Oh Louie louie said:

Recall playing them on a boiling Day in a friendly, might have had something to do with the goater deal, they didn't even bring two Hundred that day

1999 rings a bell? We won 1-0 if it's the same game I'm thinking of.

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3 hours ago, Merrick's Marvels said:

Yes ironic given that's precisely what Man City did when promoted from the Second Div in 66, winning the First in 68, FA Cup in 69 and League Cup and Cup Winners Cup in 70.

A golden period built on nothing more than good players and good coaching. 

Different times.

I dunno. We've got a central defender from Bath who played for Plymouth during his professional development, and, er, well that's one similarity. 

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4 hours ago, Merrick's Marvels said:

Yes ironic given that's precisely what Man City did when promoted from the Second Div in 66, winning the First in 68, FA Cup in 69 and League Cup and Cup Winners Cup in 70.

A golden period built on nothing more than good players and good coaching. 

Different times.

Assisted by a young ? player from Bath.

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Cityboy1954

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7 hours ago, W-S-M Seagull said:

I've always followed them since the Goat went there. 

Without the Goat, would they be where they are today ?‍♂️

Hopefully he is at the game. 

Probably not he was a great bloke on an off the pitch .

Cityboy1954

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7 hours ago, DaveInSA said:

I have a soft spot for the Manchester City.

Studying up in Manchester and living in and around Maine Road you couldn't help but feel some sort of alliance with them. In general a great bunch of lads the Mancunians.

Unlike the other Manchester club. ?. London arse wipes.

Holiday mates from 30 year ago when they were league 1 your right top lads if man city not playing they come to our games preston on saturday .

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8 hours ago, MarcusX said:

That half time will live long in the memory. What a night, almost perfect until Aguero popped up

Stayed up there that night good ol drink with them after my mate said im having big money on you to get jn prem next year . :laugh: well we all know what happened after johnson went backwards and sideways .

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I remember a game at Stockport many years ago when City were fairly notorious for their off field antics and Man City fans made an appearance, they weren't over friendly that day !!

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On 30/01/2023 at 23:12, Slacker said:

I thought it would be full of comments about how disappointed they were that they aren't playing the g*s.

Everyone's second favourite team. It would have been a dilemma for them, do they cheer on their beloved Man City or the famous quarters???

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23 hours ago, SydneyCity said:

I was very briefly a Man City “fan”. I’m originally from Glasgow and moved down to Bristol when I was ten.

Back then parents who were less fanatical about football - including my mum - would buy their kids any kit other than Rangers/Celtic to avoid the possibility of trouble. That year, even though me and my brother were Partick Thistlle fans - she got me a red and black check Man City away kit (I have no idea why, but great kit to be fair).

A few days after moving to Bristol, I was wearing the kit in the beer garden of The Farmhouse in Nailsea. Out of nowhere, Eddie Large came up and started talking to me about Man City and how good my kit was. As a ten year old I was genuinely star struck.

Not long after, I got taken to watch Bristol City vs Aldershot and that was the end of that.

It doesn't get much bigger than Bristol City v Aldershot, no wonder you were hooked! ?

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47 minutes ago, sglosbcfc said:

It doesn't get much bigger than Bristol City v Aldershot, no wonder you were hooked! ?

My first City match was against Aldershot in spring 1950. Well and truly hooked.

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57 minutes ago, sglosbcfc said:

It doesn't get much bigger than Bristol City v Aldershot, no wonder you were hooked! ?

I was back in Bristol over Christmas and New Years. My mum still had a box of my stuff in the garage that included some of my City programmes from the 80s and 90s. This is where it all began…

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