joe jordans teeth Posted May 26, 2023 Report Share Posted May 26, 2023 3 hours ago, And Its Smith said: 8 month ban is fine and hope he gets the help he needs. No results need to called into question. Lots of people will read the headlines and judge which is a shame Think he’s got off lightly bearing in mind 2 of those are mid season Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lrrr Posted May 26, 2023 Report Share Posted May 26, 2023 23 minutes ago, marcofisher said: In all cases it was in matches he was not involved in, which the headlines are not showing. Even if you're out on loan you still have access to information at the club, essentially the gambling version of insider trading 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joe jordans teeth Posted May 26, 2023 Report Share Posted May 26, 2023 57 minutes ago, Lrrr said: Even if you're out on loan you still have access to information at the club, essentially the gambling version of insider trading It’s all very well them telling us what he bet on but I can’t see anywhere if he won money with this insider knowledge or not,i have mates who are in “the inner circle “of racing,couldn’t pick their nose with a fork 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
downendcity Posted May 26, 2023 Report Share Posted May 26, 2023 7 hours ago, Sir Geoff said: Re para 4......or dives to win a pen which he would be taking. He'd win b*****r all on those bets if he played for us then! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BarnzFM Posted May 26, 2023 Report Share Posted May 26, 2023 1 hour ago, Lrrr said: Even if you're out on loan you still have access to information at the club, essentially the gambling version of insider trading I’m less bothered by insider trading, the way these betting firms operate I hope people take them for every penny, it’s the potential influence that Toney could have with those involved in matches to get the outcome he wants, directly or indirectly and like someone suggested betting on himself scoring could have an impact on the way Toney plays himself 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExiledAjax Posted May 26, 2023 Report Share Posted May 26, 2023 2 hours ago, joe jordans teeth said: Quite how I don’t know,he would of known of any injuries and who would be playing a long time before the odds were given Sure, but the FA commission isn't concerned with the potential effect on the gambling market or companies. They're concerned with a potential effect on football games. In that regard betting on your own team to lose but not actually playing in that game is less serious than a game where you do the same and do play. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joe jordans teeth Posted May 26, 2023 Report Share Posted May 26, 2023 34 minutes ago, ExiledAjax said: Sure, but the FA commission isn't concerned with the potential effect on the gambling market or companies. They're concerned with a potential effect on football games. In that regard betting on your own team to lose but not actually playing in that game is less serious than a game where you do the same and do play. Without doubt but if we want footballers to understand that it’s a no no then there shouldn’t be a staggered punishment,you want to bet then 2 year ban whoever you bet on,could be your own team or some Mexican 2nd division game 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marcofisher Posted May 26, 2023 Report Share Posted May 26, 2023 5 hours ago, Lrrr said: Even if you're out on loan you still have access to information at the club, essentially the gambling version of insider trading I don’t disagree, just seen a lot of very basic inflammatory headlines. And so do 100s of others inside and outside every club who are not so high profile but would still be party to the same information, such as Trippier’s mates who were told to lump on when he signed for Atletico Madrid. If any consolation for Toney, he made his way back to the England fold. It’s clear that the lad has quite a problem, and I hope he gets some help. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joe jordans teeth Posted May 26, 2023 Report Share Posted May 26, 2023 10 minutes ago, marcofisher said: I don’t disagree, just seen a lot of very basic inflammatory headlines. And so do 100s of others inside and outside every club who are not so high profile but would still be party to the same information, such as Trippier’s mates who were told to lump on when he signed for Atletico Madrid. If any consolation for Toney, he made his way back to the England fold. It’s clear that the lad has quite a problem, and I hope he gets some help. What do you class as inflammatory headlines Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marcofisher Posted May 26, 2023 Report Share Posted May 26, 2023 (edited) 3 minutes ago, joe jordans teeth said: What do you class as inflammatory headlines e.g “13 bets against own team” when he wasn’t even playing for them or involved in them, he was on loan. Could easily say betting against parent club etc which paints the full picture, but doesn’t get the same clicks. Hence a lot of the reactions I saw online upon announcement seem to think he bet on his current playing club to lose. Edited May 26, 2023 by marcofisher Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joe jordans teeth Posted May 26, 2023 Report Share Posted May 26, 2023 2 minutes ago, marcofisher said: e.g “13 bets against own team” when he wasn’t even playing for them or involved in them, he was on loan. Could easily say betting against parent club etc which paints the full picture, but doesn’t get the same clicks. Hence a lot of the reactions I saw online upon announcement seem to think he bet on his current playing club to lose. So he didn’t have inside knowledge,he could of easily bet on City letting in a late goal back in 20/21 and that would still be wrong,what is it with society today that we make excuses for everyone Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kiwicolin Posted May 27, 2023 Author Report Share Posted May 27, 2023 How can his team mates trust him, after betting 7 times against the team, to lose OK. He wasn't playing in those games but that is bang out of order. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Coach Posted May 27, 2023 Report Share Posted May 27, 2023 16 minutes ago, kiwicolin said: How can his team mates trust him, after betting 7 times against the team, to lose OK. He wasn't playing in those games but that is bang out of order. Was at Newcastle unless mistaken Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kiwicolin Posted May 27, 2023 Author Report Share Posted May 27, 2023 8 minutes ago, The Coach said: Was at Newcastle unless mistaken But still would you trust him Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
italian dave Posted May 27, 2023 Report Share Posted May 27, 2023 (edited) 9 hours ago, joe jordans teeth said: So he didn’t have inside knowledge,he could of easily bet on City letting in a late goal back in 20/21 and that would still be wrong,what is it with society today that we make excuses for everyone I don’t see anyone “making excuses”. What he did was wrong and he’s been punished as a result. It’s simply about looking at the circumstances, understanding what happened and why, and also recognising that he might need help to deal with an illness. A century ago soldiers who couldn’t cope with what they experienced on the battlefield were shot for desertion. Nowadays we recognise PTSD and treat them accordingly. Is that “society today…..making excuses”? Edited May 27, 2023 by italian dave 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedM Posted May 27, 2023 Report Share Posted May 27, 2023 To bet on his team losing when he wasn't involved, isn't that like him saying without me you are nothing? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Posted May 27, 2023 Report Share Posted May 27, 2023 If he wasn't their best player and most valuable asset you can bet Brentford would boot him out. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
And Its Smith Posted May 27, 2023 Report Share Posted May 27, 2023 2 hours ago, Super said: If he wasn't their best player and most valuable asset you can bet Brentford would boot him out. Absolutely. Same as any industry. If the incompetent guy who reports to me messed up I’d use it to get rid. If my best employee did the same I’d issue a warning and move on. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1960maaan Posted July 5, 2023 Report Share Posted July 5, 2023 I think when the rules are changed and all Betting Company sponsorship banned, it will be an easier and clearer message to get over. As it is, team that has it's main striker banned for betting , enjoys ££ millions from betting Company sponsorship. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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