kiwicolin Posted March 16, 2023 Report Share Posted March 16, 2023 Do you think that Ivan Toney should be included in the England team ? He has a charge pending on betting. He has admitted this charge but as young football fans follow him , should he be allowed to play for England? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ecko Posted March 16, 2023 Report Share Posted March 16, 2023 (edited) Morals don't exist in football. Edited March 16, 2023 by Ecko Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alexukhc Posted March 16, 2023 Report Share Posted March 16, 2023 5 minutes ago, kiwicolin said: Do you think that Ivan Toney should be included in the England team ? He has a charge pending on betting. He has admitted this charge but as young football fans follow him , should he be allowed to play for England? Same goes for Kyle Walker Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rocking Red Cyril Posted March 16, 2023 Report Share Posted March 16, 2023 44 minutes ago, Ecko said: Morals don't exist in football. And is that ok ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FNQ Posted March 17, 2023 Report Share Posted March 17, 2023 He’s admitted guilt so shouldn’t be playing now for Brentford let alone even being considered for England as far as I’m concerned… If Southampton go down (I know that they will) but by the odd point or two then his MOM performance including a goal and an assist after admitting guilt and awaiting the routine suspension from the FA will be a bit hard to swallow for the saints fans.. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
W-S-M Seagull Posted March 17, 2023 Report Share Posted March 17, 2023 He's admitted his guilt so no he shouldn't then be representing his country. From a footballing perspective what is the point? Ok it may help in those games but it's likely he's not going to be able to be involved for a very long time so why bring him in over someone who will be available in that time? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robbored Posted March 17, 2023 Report Share Posted March 17, 2023 Toney is in good form and Southgate selects strikers who are scoring goals - whatever is going on outside of football in his life should not get in the way. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
W-S-M Seagull Posted March 17, 2023 Report Share Posted March 17, 2023 2 minutes ago, Robbored said: Toney is in good form and Southgate selects strikers who are scoring goals - whatever is going on outside of football in his life should not get in the way. Can the England football team and the FA really be separated tho? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robbored Posted March 17, 2023 Report Share Posted March 17, 2023 2 minutes ago, W-S-M Seagull said: Can the England football team and the FA really be separated tho? Toney has admitted his guilt and will either get a ban (possibly 3 - 5 games) or heavily fined by the FA. I really can’t see why that impeding punishment should effect his international selection. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrahamC Posted March 17, 2023 Report Share Posted March 17, 2023 9 hours ago, alexukhc said: Same goes for Kyle Walker Difference surely is Walker has denied the offfence & so until (if) proven guilty, should be considered innocent. Toney has admitted this charge & so it seems baffling he’s involved. As for the moronic comment above about “whatever is going on outside of football should not get in the way” there is absolutely no chance of a player charged with a serious sexual offence being called up, is there? Giggs had to step down as Wales boss too. Just a typically ridiculous thing to say. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gasbuster Posted March 17, 2023 Report Share Posted March 17, 2023 30 minutes ago, Robbored said: Toney has admitted his guilt and will either get a ban (possibly 3 - 5 games) or heavily fined by the FA. I really can’t see why that impeding punishment should effect his international selection. 3-5 games seems somewhat lenient for the 260 (?) incidents he has admitted too. I would have thought a 6 months ban would have been more appropriate. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrahamC Posted March 17, 2023 Report Share Posted March 17, 2023 Just now, The Gasbuster said: 3-5 games seems somewhat lenient for the 260 (?) incidents he has admitted too. I would have thought a 6 months ban would have been more appropriate. Not a chance it will be this lenient, he’s talking complete rubbish. Trippier got a 10 week ban for far fewer offences, a certain Joseph Barton got 18 months (he effectively retired as a result). Lots of media speculation it could be as long as a year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1960maaan Posted March 17, 2023 Report Share Posted March 17, 2023 Toney is guilty , so shouldn't be available for England until after the ban has ban imposed and served. I've no problem him playing for Brentford until the ban kicks in, though it should have been dealt with quickly. The FA cannot afford to be seen to be lenient. There have been precedents set and they would have to be on a par with those unless he can come up with some seriously good excuses and Lawyers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robbored Posted March 17, 2023 Report Share Posted March 17, 2023 7 minutes ago, The Gasbuster said: 3-5 games seems somewhat lenient for the 260 (?) incidents he has admitted too. I would have thought a 6 months ban would have been more appropriate. Is it that big a deal tho? …………. I guess it all depends on whether the FA will make an example of Toney. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoystonFoote'snephew Posted March 17, 2023 Report Share Posted March 17, 2023 10 hours ago, Ecko said: Morals don't exist in football. Generally i'd agree but the FA are funny about things around the England team. I don't expect him to be picked. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
W-S-M Seagull Posted March 17, 2023 Report Share Posted March 17, 2023 10 hours ago, alexukhc said: Same goes for Kyle Walker Southgate said “There’s no conclusive evidence to leave him out at this stage. I’ve got to be very careful of being the moral judge on things. Isn't the video conclusive evidence? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pillred Posted March 17, 2023 Report Share Posted March 17, 2023 (edited) 2 hours ago, Robbored said: Toney has admitted his guilt and will either get a ban (possibly 3 - 5 games) or heavily fined by the FA. I really can’t see why that impeding punishment should effect his international selection. 3 to 5 games are you serious? more like a six month ban, how many offences has he admitted to? come on Robbored 3 to 5 games, (I bet) he would be over the moon with that. Edited March 17, 2023 by pillred Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robbored Posted March 17, 2023 Report Share Posted March 17, 2023 The FA have dragged their feet over their own draconian betting regulations which state that no professional footballer can bet on any football anywhere in the world…………. Bloody ridiculous rule. Obviously it would be sensible to ban players from betting on their own teams games for obvious reasons but it’s a worldwide ban. Toney has admitted breaching those rules and I hope he gets off but clearly he won’t get away without some sort of punishment. I posted earlier that the FA may throw book at him but I hope they don’t given the ridiculous nature of their own betting rules. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Open End Numb Legs Posted March 17, 2023 Report Share Posted March 17, 2023 Punishment is made up of 2 factors, revenge and deterrent. It won't be much of a deterrent if they go too lightly on him, it will send the wrong signal to others and set the wrong precedent. He must have known what the rules were. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2015 Posted March 17, 2023 Report Share Posted March 17, 2023 Mount, Gallagher, Phillips, Maguire al in the England squad and no Tomori or White has annoyed me more than Toney's inclusion. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phileas Fogg Posted March 17, 2023 Report Share Posted March 17, 2023 Excellent to see him included - well deserved. It's going to sound a really rogue thing to say given how proven he is, but I feel that Toney has more of a willing mentality than Kane. I'd have much more confidence in him to have scored that penalty against France. I had a horrible feeling about it when I saw Kane preparing - there's just something about him which doesn't fill me with confidence 100% of the time as you'd expect for a striker of his ilk. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2015 Posted March 17, 2023 Report Share Posted March 17, 2023 10 minutes ago, Phileas Fogg said: Excellent to see him included - well deserved. It's going to sound a really rogue thing to say given how proven he is, but I feel that Toney has more of a willing mentality than Kane. I'd have much more confidence in him to have scored that penalty against France. I had a horrible feeling about it when I saw Kane preparing - there's just something about him which doesn't fill me with confidence 100% of the time as you'd expect for a striker of his ilk. A great Striker is Kane, but never been World Class for me. I can't put my finger on what it is as his stats would suggest otherwise, but a perennial winner he certainly is not. Goes missing in the big games. At the end of his career he will regret not leaving Spurs at the age of 24/25. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted May 17, 2023 Report Share Posted May 17, 2023 8 month ban https://twitter.com/beesotted/status/1658867411376898051?s=61&t=-S1PU3hcTPKwmOB7P_bFxg Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Posted May 17, 2023 Report Share Posted May 17, 2023 8 month ban ouch! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alexukhc Posted May 17, 2023 Report Share Posted May 17, 2023 2 minutes ago, Super said: 8 month ban ouch! Harsh at the length but rules are rules 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luke_bristol Posted May 17, 2023 Report Share Posted May 17, 2023 Wow, that’s far harsher than I expected Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fordy62 Posted May 17, 2023 Report Share Posted May 17, 2023 They’ve been kind at the timing of the ban. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoystonFoote'snephew Posted May 17, 2023 Report Share Posted May 17, 2023 (edited) Will he pay the £50k from his winnings? 8 months with immediate effect is only 6 months if it includes the close season. Edited May 17, 2023 by RoystonFoote'snephew Added content Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robbored Posted May 17, 2023 Report Share Posted May 17, 2023 5 minutes ago, Super said: 8 month ban ouch! With off season it’s about 7/12 which takes the ban to Jan of next year. He’ll miss over half a season. It seems harsh but definitely sends out a message to every professional footballer. I was expecting a 10 or 12 match ban. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loco Rojo Posted May 17, 2023 Report Share Posted May 17, 2023 What's the point in applying part of the ban during the off season? Surely 8 months should just be applied during the playing season and possibly pre-season friendlies? Wouldn't that be a more meaningful punishment and demonstrate an example to others? Or am i missing something? That's like banning me from working when i'm on annual leave? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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