Massengo Contract

[Top Robin]

On his day he is excellent...trouble is that day is not often enough.

[Davefevs]

32 minutes ago, alexukhc said:

And if he accepts?

On the fraction of a percent that he signs, then Nige has a player he can challenge to get into the first team.

[alexukhc]

10 minutes ago, Davefevs said:

On the fraction of a percent that he signs, then Nige has a player he can challenge to get into the first team.

Def a position we need some competition in, I don’t think he’ll sign it but maybe some time away was needed for him to evaluate that

[frenchred]

7 hours ago, Super said:

So what do we want him to do with it then?

It's really not difficult to understand

[Oh Louie louie]

If you were his agent, would you say well hans you were in England years, you never got much of a sniff international wise, play five or so games in France your in the squad, ...  Its not rocket science 

[frenchred]

1 minute ago, Oh Louie louie said:

If you were his agent, would you say well hans you were in England years, you never got much of a sniff international wise, play five or so games in France your in the squad, ...  Its not rocket science 

Maybe him not actually playing may have had a teenie weenie bit of relevance?

[Super]

4 minutes ago, frenchred said:

It's really not difficult to understand

Thanks. 

[Oh Louie louie]

52 minutes ago, frenchred said:

Maybe him not actually playing may have had a teenie weenie bit of relevance?

Exactly!

[BLRed]

Can see Sunderland going for him. They seem to be keen on promising young French players

[Simon bristol]

1 hour ago, BLRed said:

Can see Sunderland going for him. They seem to be keen on promising young French players

Would be ideal,,  if we paid about 2.5 and hes a france under 21 player now, then we ought to be able to hike up the tribunal fee? Certainly up to more than the 360k we would get if he goes to ligue 1

[Davefevs]

2 hours ago, BLRed said:

Can see Sunderland going for him. They seem to be keen on promising young French players

They’ve just decided to not take up the loan option-to-buy on Michoud for £2.5m.

Cant honestly see Han going anywhere but France tbh.  Can you?

[BLRed]

22 minutes ago, Davefevs said:

They’ve just decided to not take up the loan option-to-buy on Michoud for £2.5m.

Cant honestly see Han going anywhere but France tbh.  Can you?

More likely but massengo would cost pittance compared to the michut deal, who btw I regard as a very tidy midfielder, albeit a little lightweight currently. Whoever sign massengo would no doubt make a tidy profit if he came good. Low risk, high reward potential.

[Davefevs]

4 minutes ago, BLRed said:

More likely but massengo would cost pittance compared to the michut deal, who btw I regard as a very tidy midfielder, albeit a little lightweight currently. Whoever sign massengo would no doubt make a tidy profit if he came good. Low risk, high reward potential.

What do you call a pittance….consider compo and wages?

[REDOXO]

On 22/05/2023 at 12:07, MelksRed said:

Thank you all....just been reading the Retained List thread. 

What a world we live in....contracts offered when we don't want them to sign to get compensation. Football is a complicated beast.

It is the same contract he was offered a year ago. I haven’t read therest of the Thread so apologies if mentioned already!

[BLRed]

1 hour ago, Davefevs said:

What do you call a pittance….consider compo and wages?

600k let’s say compared to 2.5mill is a big difference. I believe his wages were one of the lowest in the squad going by what his mother said so doubt they would struggle with that either

[GrahamC]

2 hours ago, Davefevs said:

They’ve just decided to not take up the loan option-to-buy on Michoud for £2.5m.

Cant honestly see Han going anywhere but France tbh.  Can you?

No chance he goes anywhere else.

His successful loan at Auxerre has put him in the shop window for medium sized Ligue 1 clubs, like you I’ll be amazed if he is somewhere else than France at the start of next season.

[Davefevs]

2 hours ago, BLRed said:

600k let’s say compared to 2.5mill is a big difference. I believe his wages were one of the lowest in the squad going by what his mother said so doubt they would struggle with that either

Only my guess, but I reckon we’d get c£1.5m compo if he went to another English club.

I doubt the wage he was on, and therefore offered now to invoke compo is the lowest in the squad now, by any stretch.  It might’ve been before everyone (Weimann, Baker, Wells) started taking huge wage cuts or moved on, granted.  I reckon whatever we’ve offered him to get compo would be in the top third of players now.  Only my view.

(as you know, I like Han)

[Norn Iron]

15 hours ago, Oh Louie louie said:

If you were his agent, would you say well hans you were in England years, 

If I was his agent, I'd call him Han! I'd be his pedantic agent.

 

 

Edited May 24, 2023 by Norn Iron

[Major Isewater]

8 hours ago, Davefevs said:

Only my guess, but I reckon we’d get c£1.5m compo if he went to another English club.

I doubt the wage he was on, and therefore offered now to invoke compo is the lowest in the squad now, by any stretch.  It might’ve been before everyone (Weimann, Baker, Wells) started taking huge wage cuts or moved on, granted.  I reckon whatever we’ve offered him to get compo would be in the top third of players now.  Only my view.

(as you know, I like Han)

Doesn’t the new contract have to be above or equivalent to the old one? 
If that’s the case then, view the transfer market at the time of his signing ,it’s a bloody good one .

 I trust the club won’t get shafted by this manipulation but if he signs I wouldn’t be unhappy. 

[Davefevs]

5 minutes ago, Major Isewater said:

Doesn’t the new contract have to be above or equivalent to the old one? 
If that’s the case then, view the transfer market at the time of his signing ,it’s a bloody good one .

 I trust the club won’t get shafted by this manipulation but if he signs I wouldn’t be unhappy. 

Yes, at least equal.

[BS3City]

HNM signing a new contract with us is never gonna happen! If you were Andi Weimann or Nahki Wells (having previously agreed significantly reduced terms) and you saw HNM signing a new deal equal to or in excess of his old deal there would be absolute uproar in the dressing room! 

Any risk of undermining the good will Big Nige has built up within the squad just won't happen.

[1960maaan]

11 minutes ago, BS3City said:

HNM signing a new contract with us is never gonna happen! If you were Andi Weimann or Nahki Wells (having previously agreed significantly reduced terms) and you saw HNM signing a new deal equal to or in excess of his old deal there would be absolute uproar in the dressing room! 

Any risk of undermining the good will Big Nige has built up within the squad just won't happen.

I expect the starting point was very different. Weimann & Wells were near the top of our budget and towards the end of their respective careers. Massengo would have been lower/middle budget and best years ahead of him.

I would guess a contract equal to what he was on is still some way lower than the new ones AW & NW are on. 

[BS3City]

14 minutes ago, 1960maaan said:

I expect the starting point was very different. Weimann & Wells were near the top of our budget and towards the end of their respective careers. Massengo would have been lower/middle budget and best years ahead of him.

I would guess a contract equal to what he was on is still some way lower than the new ones AW & NW are on. 

Agreed mate, although I still think it'd go against the grain and wouldn't be well received.

[1960maaan]

7 minutes ago, BS3City said:

Agreed mate, although I still think it'd go against the grain and wouldn't be well received.

Possibly, but the system is set up so individuals (or their agents) have to fight their own battles . 
They will have agreed to a new deal to extend their stays, so no upheaval or costs, set against a reduced contract and still earn a very good salary. It is very different to HNM's position and they (or us) wouldn't know how much the offer was until he accepts .
Even then can they argue with someone who has 10/15 years ahead of them Vs an extra year or two at the end of a contract.
I honestly don't think it would make a difference to the squad dynamic. 

[BS3City]

12 minutes ago, 1960maaan said:

Possibly, but the system is set up so individuals (or their agents) have to fight their own battles . 
They will have agreed to a new deal to extend their stays, so no upheaval or costs, set against a reduced contract and still earn a very good salary. It is very different to HNM's position and they (or us) wouldn't know how much the offer was until he accepts .
Even then can they argue with someone who has 10/15 years ahead of them Vs an extra year or two at the end of a contract.
I honestly don't think it would make a difference to the squad dynamic. 

He's been absent for a fair while now anyway, in which time I'm sure the dynamic of the squad has moved on, as has he.

Wish him well, thank him for his efforts and we all move on...

[1960maaan]

19 minutes ago, BS3City said:

He's been absent for a fair while now anyway, in which time I'm sure the dynamic of the squad has moved on, as has he.

Wish him well, thank him for his efforts and we all move on...

Just annoying he's exactly the sort of player we will be looking for. Add that Nige knows him and thinks he's a good player, but his time has past IMO.
Having said that, if things were to change and he didn't get the offers he (and we) expect him to. As I said, he's exactly the sort of player we would would be looking for. 

[downendcity]

3 hours ago, Norn Iron said:

If I was his agent, I'd call him Han! I'd be his pedantic agent.

 

 

Han's agent............

 

[Northern Red]

It's presumably the same contract that has been on the table for the best part of 2 years now? There's no danger of him signing it.

[YorksRed]

9 minutes ago, Northern Red said:

It's presumably the same contract that has been on the table for the best part of 2 years now? There's no danger of him signing it.

There’s no danger of him signing any contract which we could feasibly offer him.  It appears that he has wanted to move on for a long time (waving goodbye at the end of the 21/22 season etc. and based on what Nigel has said).

It’s not about what is being offered and we have maintained the contract offer to solely ensure we are entitled to compensation with no expectation that it would be accepted.

Edited May 24, 2023 by YorksRed

[marcofisher]

It's a shame really, because with Scott leaving for a Prem club, and a bit more experience for HNM, there is a space in that midfield. I do wonder if he has been misadvised at some point, he was making decent appearances before his reluctance to sign a new deal and shop around. I don't blame Pearson for leaving him out. He has turned Scott into a £25 million player, and it's unfortunate that similar has not happened to Han. Could he look back on the past 18 months and think he should have forced a move last summer or re-signed and kept playing?

[chinapig]

6 minutes ago, marcofisher said:

It's a shame really, because with Scott leaving for a Prem club, and a bit more experience for HNM, there is a space in that midfield. I do wonder if he has been misadvised at some point, he was making decent appearances before his reluctance to sign a new deal and shop around. I don't blame Pearson for leaving him out. He has turned Scott into a £25 million player, and it's unfortunate that similar has not happened to Han. Could he look back on the past 18 months and think he should have forced a move last summer or re-signed and kept playing?

We don't know what Han's reasons are. It might be football reasons or something to do with family issues. Or just home sickness.

I agree that Nigel could have made him a player but sadly that ship has sailed.

[marcofisher]

29 minutes ago, chinapig said:

We don't know what Han's reasons are. It might be football reasons or something to do with family issues. Or just home sickness.

I agree that Nigel could have made him a player but sadly that ship has sailed.

I suspect that this is very likely.

Monaco to the UK would be a big culture shock for a teenager.

[Davefevs]

4 minutes ago, marcofisher said:

I suspect that this is very likely.

Monaco to the UK would be a big culture shock for a teenager.

Split family too, some here, some Paris.

[Oh Louie louie]

If we are going too use being out your comfort zone as a excuse for signing young players we may as well give up, I would a culture shock would have been coming from somewhere like a real small place rather like Alex Scott, this is getting silly now

[Oh Louie louie]

From Monaco to South Bristol, I mean what was he expecting here? If I was him id sack his agent tomorrow 

[SBB]

8 minutes ago, Oh Louie louie said:

If we are going too use being out your comfort zone as a excuse for signing young players we may as well give up, I would a culture shock would have been coming from somewhere like a real small place rather like Alex Scott, this is getting silly now

At 18, I moved to a different country on my own. It was a huge culture shock and I suffered badly with homesickness. Some people take to it and adapt better than others, regardless of what you’re there for and how much you’re getting paid. 
Alex Scott moving from Guernsey, while undoubtedly a challenge, is not the same as HNM moving from France. 

[RoystonFoote'snephew]

1 hour ago, Oh Louie louie said:

From Monaco to South Bristol, I mean what was he expecting here? If I was him id sack his agent tomorrow 

From living in a goldfish bowl to a dried up Brook filled with shopping trolleys? 

[Monkeh]

21 hours ago, BS3City said:

HNM signing a new contract with us is never gonna happen! If you were Andi Weimann or Nahki Wells (having previously agreed significantly reduced terms) and you saw HNM signing a new deal equal to or in excess of his old deal there would be absolute uproar in the dressing room! 

Any risk of undermining the good will Big Nige has built up within the squad just won't happen.

We have to offer a contract of at least the same value as his current deal or we aren't entitled to compensation I believe 

[Northern Red]

Yes.

[Oh Louie louie]

22 hours ago, SBB said:

At 18, I moved to a different country on my own. It was a huge culture shock and I suffered badly with homesickness. Some people take to it and adapt better than others, regardless of what you’re there for and how much you’re getting paid. 
Alex Scott moving from Guernsey, while undoubtedly a challenge, is not the same as HNM moving from France. 

You're absolutely right a totally different challenge alex would not have been in a position wages wise to bring family member's over to live with him like han or yourself at 18, may i ask if you moved abroad at 18 for work?

[Oh Louie louie]

I mean in the real world not many 18 year old move abroad for work! I don't wish to judge so im interested now

[Oh Louie louie]

I mean no rush but a country would be something too work with

[ralphindevon]

Not sure if anyone saw but on French tv after Sunday’s match v PSG Han-Noah was interviewed pitch side by the tv presenter and Thierry Henry.

He and Thierry know each other from Monaco of course and they greeted each other with a hug and smile. Thierry gave him advice on playing against people like Mbappé, Han said he was very confident of getting the points they need to stay up.

Bristol City were mentioned but Thierry soon shut that conversation down saying Han wouldn’t be thinking about Bristol at all, just on the job in hand at Auxerre.

Han and Thierry speak on the phone about once a month, he’s still very much Han’s mentor

[SBB]

1 hour ago, Oh Louie louie said:

You're absolutely right a totally different challenge alex would not have been in a position wages wise to bring family member's over to live with him like han or yourself at 18, may i ask if you moved abroad at 18 for work?

Yes, I moved for work. I may be wrong but I’m sure Han’s father also acts as his agent? Which would mean he’s also earning a few quid, whereas I don’t think Alex Scott’s father does. 

[Philly The Kid]

22 hours ago, SBB said:

Yes, I moved for work. I may be wrong but I’m sure Han’s father also acts as his agent? Which would mean he’s also earning a few quid, whereas I don’t think Alex Scott’s father does. 

I was in the army at 17 and posted to Germany. Like lots of guys my age I struggled at first but had an epiphany when I tried to chat up a girl I fancied in the cookhouse and she told me via someone who could interpret that if I learned German she would date me. I quickly realised loneliness and not being able to communicate went hand in hand. So I learned German and everything changed. I was no longer stuck with the insular band of guys I worked with. Things opened up and I ended up living there for  a while after I left the army. This was in the '80s.
Alex Scott had an advantage in as much as he didn't have a language issue. HNM learned to speak reasonable English and from what I understand was popular with his team mates. Someone I know who met him formed the impression that 'team Massengo' always had a plan long term, and that we weren't part of it unless we got promoted. He came for the experience. If we went up then fine, a win win for everyone. If at the end of the contract we weren't competitive he'd move on.
The internet and technology make the world a much smaller place these days and staying in touch is far easier than it used to be.
I personally think he's been getting the wrong advice from his father. His head was probably turned about something which hasn't happened. Shame because in full flow he was a good player.

[marcofisher]

5 minutes ago, Philly The Kid said:

I was in the army at 17 and posted to Germany. Like lots of guys my age I struggled at first but had an epiphany when I tried to chat up a girl I fancied in the cookhouse and she told me via someone who could interpret that if I learned German she would date me. I quickly realised loneliness and not being able to communicate went hand in hand. So I learned German and everything changed. I was no longer stuck with the insular band of guys I worked with. Things opened up and I ended up living there for  a while after I left the army. This was in the '80s.
Alex Scott had an advantage in as much as he didn't have a language issue. HNM learned to speak reasonable English and from what I understand was popular with his team mates. Someone I know who met him formed the impression that 'team Massengo' always had a plan long term, and that we weren't part of it unless we got promoted. He came for the experience. If we went up then fine, a win win for everyone. If at the end of the contract we weren't competitive he'd move on.
The internet and technology make the world a much smaller place these days and staying in touch is far easier than it used to be.
I personally think he's been getting the wrong advice from his father. His head was probably turned about something which hasn't happened. Shame because in full flow he was a good player.

From what you are saying, sounds like his team had far too much vision of the future potential of Han that they lost track of how his current development would pan out!

[slartibartfast]

23 hours ago, ralphindevon said:

Not sure if anyone saw but on French tv after Sunday’s match v PSG Han-Noah was interviewed pitch side by the tv presenter and Thierry Henry.

He and Thierry know each other from Monaco of course and they greeted each other with a hug and smile. Thierry gave him advice on playing against people like Mbappé, Han said he was very confident of getting the points they need to stay up.

Bristol City were mentioned but Thierry soon shut that conversation down saying Han wouldn’t be thinking about Bristol at all, just on the job in hand at Auxerre.

Han and Thierry speak on the phone about once a month, he’s still very much Han’s mentor

Well tough shit, Terry, he's still OUR player !

[Ivorguy]

41 minutes ago, slartibartfast said:

Well tough shit, Terry, he's still OUR player !

But not for long is my guess

[SBB]

1 hour ago, Philly The Kid said:

I was in the army at 17 and posted to Germany. Like lots of guys my age I struggled at first but had an epiphany when I tried to chat up a girl I fancied in the cookhouse and she told me via someone who could interpret that if I learned German she would date me. I quickly realised loneliness and not being able to communicate went hand in hand. So I learned German and everything changed. I was no longer stuck with the insular band of guys I worked with. Things opened up and I ended up living there for  a while after I left the army. This was in the '80s.
Alex Scott had an advantage in as much as he didn't have a language issue. HNM learned to speak reasonable English and from what I understand was popular with his team mates. Someone I know who met him formed the impression that 'team Massengo' always had a plan long term, and that we weren't part of it unless we got promoted. He came for the experience. If we went up then fine, a win win for everyone. If at the end of the contract we weren't competitive he'd move on.
The internet and technology make the world a much smaller place these days and staying in touch is far easier than it used to be.
I personally think he's been getting the wrong advice from his father. His head was probably turned about something which hasn't happened. Shame because in full flow he was a good player.

Unfortunately at the time, for me socialising wasn’t really possible. The group I was with was 90% French with a few Africans. I was the only British guy and the French had no interest in building relationships or even attempting to communicate with me, despite speaking to each other in English(which was quite funny to be fair). The African lads were great though, i was put in a hotel with one of them and the others made me feel welcome. 
I was just woefully underprepared mentally and probably didn’t try to embrace the culture as much as I should have. 
I agree, the internet would have made a huge difference. 

[ralphindevon]

1 hour ago, slartibartfast said:

Well tough shit, Terry, he's still OUR player !

Perhaps we should sign Terry then? 

[italian dave]

Big game for Han and Auxerre next week.
Between Auxerre and Nantes for the final relegation place, Auxerre have a two point advantage, although their goal difference is much worse, so effectively one point.
Both at home on the final day, Nantes to the bottom side and Auxerre to the side in 2nd place!

Interesting. 

[Davefevs]

2 hours ago, italian dave said:

Big game for Han and Auxerre next week.
Between Auxerre and Nantes for the final relegation place, Auxerre have a two point advantage, although their goal difference is much worse, so effectively one point.
Both at home on the final day, Nantes to the bottom side and Auxerre to the side in 2nd place!

Interesting. 

Yep, Nantes play Angers…who actually won yesterday.  Auxerre really could’ve done with winning yesterday.  A nervy final day.

Edited May 28, 2023 by Davefevs

[ralphindevon]

2 hours ago, italian dave said:

Big game for Han and Auxerre next week.
Between Auxerre and Nantes for the final relegation place, Auxerre have a two point advantage, although their goal difference is much worse, so effectively one point.
Both at home on the final day, Nantes to the bottom side and Auxerre to the side in 2nd place!

Interesting. 

Yes, my French team is Toulouse so a bit divided yesterday but I think Auxerre have missed their chance. Lens are comfortably the 2nd best team in France and Angers comfortably the worst in L1 so it’s favouring Nantes.

But they did ok against PSG last week and Lens may have their flip flops on.

I don’t think Han will be there next season, just a hunch not ITK, but he’ll certainly be doing his all to keep them up. 

[Norn Iron]

On 26/05/2023 at 17:04, Philly The Kid said:

I was in the army at 17 and posted to Germany. Like lots of guys my age I struggled at first but had an epiphany when I tried to chat up a girl I fancied in the cookhouse and she told me via someone who could interpret that if I learned German she would date me. I quickly realised loneliness and not being able to communicate went hand in hand. So I learned German and everything changed. I was no longer stuck with the insular band of guys I worked with. Things opened up and I ended up living there for  a while after I left the army. This was in the '80s.
Alex Scott had an advantage in as much as he didn't have a language issue. HNM learned to speak reasonable English and from what I understand was popular with his team mates. Someone I know who met him formed the impression that 'team Massengo' always had a plan long term, and that we weren't part of it unless we got promoted. He came for the experience. If we went up then fine, a win win for everyone. If at the end of the contract we weren't competitive he'd move on.
The internet and technology make the world a much smaller place these days and staying in touch is far easier than it used to be.
I personally think he's been getting the wrong advice from his father. His head was probably turned about something which hasn't happened. Shame because in full flow he was a good player.

Who cares what you think about Alex or HNM. Did she go out with you or what?

[Philly The Kid]

14 hours ago, Norn Iron said:

Who cares what you think about Alex or HNM. Did she go out with you or what?

She did and improved my oral technique no end.
I soon became reasonably fluent in German. 
That liaison ended when I met a girl from Venlo and decided Dutch was the new German. 
Godverdommejij!!!

[PHILINFRANCE]

19 minutes ago, Philly The Kid said:

She did and improved my oral technique no end.

Too much information .

[Davefevs]

1 hour ago, Philly The Kid said:

She did and improved my oral technique no end.
I soon became reasonably fluent in German. 
That liaison ended when I met a girl from Venlo and decided Dutch was the new German. 
Godverdommejij!!!

Bi-lingual or cunni-lingual?

[Mr Popodopolous]

I am assuming it is two hopes- Bob and No (have I got that right) however in the hugely unlikely event that Massengo actually signed the contract that is on offer for compensation purposes what then.

Would we look to flip him, give him a go...see how it goes commitment wise.

Edited May 29, 2023 by Mr Popodopolous

[Rocky]

 

 

[Mr Popodopolous]

Funny old world, dismissed by some on here as not up to it, but Kompany maybe keen as well as Ligue 1 clubs in bottom third and midtable. Granted irs only paper talk.

Edited May 29, 2023 by Mr Popodopolous

[George Rs]

4 minutes ago, Rocky said:

 

 

Tbh I could actually see something like this happening.

[Davefevs]

This would be bloody so much better for us financially.

[italian dave]

Only paper talk, I know. But it would make me laugh if this happened. If only because of all the discussion on here about whether he struggled with the transition from Monaco to Bristol. 
Burnley FFS! At least there’s a marina in Portishead!

[bcfc01]

43 minutes ago, Davefevs said:

This would be bloody so much better for us financially.

It would be a good deal all round.

HNM gets to play in the EPL on a big salary giving him a chance to get into the French senior squad and we get a million or more.

 

[Philly The Kid]

2 hours ago, Davefevs said:

Bi-lingual or cunni-lingual?

For any Mary Poppins fans out there..
As the song goes;;;

"supercalifragilisticexpertcunnilingus
Gonna have to use my tongue I've broken all my fingers
Even though the taste of it, it often kinda lingers
supercalifragilisticexpertcunnilingus..... umdiddleliddle umdiddle I" 
(Tongue shapes as appropriate...)

[E.G.Red]

2 hours ago, bcfc01 said:

It would be a good deal all round.

HNM gets to play in the EPL on a big salary giving him a chance to get into the French senior squad and we get a million or more.

 

Win win then if it does happen..

[OldlandReddies]

Very honest player but definitely not prem class. Struggled to look good in our side. Terrible in front of goal as well which doesn't help. We don't miss him at all. 

[OldlandReddies]

And his hair is fawkin awful !

[Jerseybean]

Burnley bound? https://www.bristolworld.com/sport/football/bristol-city/burnley-serious-about-transfer-offer-to-wantaway-bristol-city-star-4161578

[Sleepy1968]

26 minutes ago, Jerseybean said:

Burnley bound? https://www.bristolworld.com/sport/football/bristol-city/burnley-serious-about-transfer-offer-to-wantaway-bristol-city-star-4161578

Interesting. It's going to depend on HNM's motivation for wanting to return to France. But if Vinnie convince him to sign a contract in the PL, we'll owe him a drink or two.