Harry Posted December 6, 2023 Report Share Posted December 6, 2023 28 minutes ago, Davefevs said: Reprieve, got to play Scarborough again. Not sure why they’ve got away with it. Does it suggest the FA might’ve cocked up somewhere in this too? Yep. There seems to be suggestion at FGR’s end that it might actually refer to Callum Jones, who is on loan from Hull. If we look at rule 109, this is the rule around loan players being able to play having been given written permission by the parent club. The fact FGR haven’t been kicked out suggests to me that the fault may not be at their end. I wonder if the paperwork wasn’t correctly completed at Hull’s end and they didn’t put it in writing to the FA that Jones was eligible for the cup. It would be the parent clubs responsibility to write to the FA to allow this. So FGR played him, assuming they’d signed him on loan for the season and was eligible to play in all competitions, but maybe Hull didn’t fill the paperwork in correctly at their end. For me it’s the only explanation. Otherwise, if it was FGR’s fault, then it would be an open and shut case and they’d be kicked out of the cup. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted December 6, 2023 Report Share Posted December 6, 2023 59 minutes ago, Harry said: Yep. There seems to be suggestion at FGR’s end that it might actually refer to Callum Jones, who is on loan from Hull. If we look at rule 109, this is the rule around loan players being able to play having been given written permission by the parent club. The fact FGR haven’t been kicked out suggests to me that the fault may not be at their end. I wonder if the paperwork wasn’t correctly completed at Hull’s end and they didn’t put it in writing to the FA that Jones was eligible for the cup. It would be the parent clubs responsibility to write to the FA to allow this. So FGR played him, assuming they’d signed him on loan for the season and was eligible to play in all competitions, but maybe Hull didn’t fill the paperwork in correctly at their end. For me it’s the only explanation. Otherwise, if it was FGR’s fault, then it would be an open and shut case and they’d be kicked out of the cup. Ta, I googled the rule and couldn’t find it That makes sense though, especially seeing as Barnsley got booted out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
View from the Dolman Posted December 6, 2023 Report Share Posted December 6, 2023 Rule 102 would also appear to be somewhat relevant in this case. Fielding an Ineligible Player 101. Subject to Rule 102, where a Player is determined to be ineligible under these Competition Rules or The Association’s Rules and has played for a Club in a Competition Match, the Professional Game Board may remove that Club from the Competition and may impose other penalties against that Club. This excludes a situation where a Player is named as a substitute but does not play in the Competition Match, in accordance with Rule 96. 102. Where a Club satisfies the Professional Game Board that it (or any of its Club Officials) did not know, and could not reasonably have known even had it made every reasonable enquiry (with the exercise of utmost caution), that the Player was ineligible, the Club shall not be removed from the Competition but may still be subject to any other penalty imposed by the Professional Game Board (including but not limited to a fine or an order that the Competition Match be replayed, without the ineligible Player). 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Markthehorn Posted December 6, 2023 Report Share Posted December 6, 2023 Apparently it’s because the illegible player was just in the squad for FGR but didn’t actually play ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admin phantom Posted December 7, 2023 Author Admin Report Share Posted December 7, 2023 10 hours ago, Davefevs said: Reprieve, got to play Scarborough again. Not sure why they’ve got away with it. Does it suggest the FA might’ve cocked up somewhere in this too? The FA Cup 1st Round tie between Scarborough Athletic & Forest Green will be replayed following an FA investigation into the eligibility of a Forest Green player. The tie will take place on Tuesday, December 12 with the winners facing Blackpool in the 2nd Round on December 19. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Posted December 7, 2023 Report Share Posted December 7, 2023 9 hours ago, Markthehorn said: Apparently it’s because the illegible player was just in the squad for FGR but didn’t actually play ? I don’t think that’s the case. The rule 109 refers to loan players and there were no loan players on the bench who didn’t come on. I’m sure it must refer to Jones. Of course it could still be Belshaw (loaned from gas), but someone itk at FGR’s end seems to think Jones. 1 hour ago, phantom said: The FA Cup 1st Round tie between Scarborough Athletic & Forest Green will be replayed following an FA investigation into the eligibility of a Forest Green player. The tie will take place on Tuesday, December 12 with the winners facing Blackpool in the 2nd Round on December 19. Yep. And it’s the wording under (c) that makes me think FGR did everything ok at their end and maybe it was the paperwork from Hull’s end that wasn’t correctly completed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Posted December 7, 2023 Report Share Posted December 7, 2023 Dale Vince has provided some context now. Still not clear which player it was but it’s likely to be Jones (loan from Hull). They broke rule 109, but specifically part 109.2. Seems Hull did complete the relevant paperwork to allow him to be registered for the Cup, but seems FGR didn’t pass that on to the FA in writing. So he was technically eligible to play, but just hadn’t told the FA. You could argue both ways on this - rules broken and kick them out, or player was eligible but only a paperwork technicality so game replayed. Rule 109: A Player that has been domestically temporarily transferred to another Club (including to or from a Welsh Club that competes in the Competition) or a Scholar on work experience at a Club in accordance with Rule C of The Association’s Rules shall be ineligible to participate in the Competition unless: 109.1. written permission has been provided by the Parent Club for the Player to play in the Competition; 109.2. a copy of the written permission is received by The Association no later than 75 minutes before the first Competition Match in which the Club intends to field the Player; and provided that 109.3. the Parent Club has not withdrawn that permission (in order for any such withdrawal to be valid, it must be made by the Parent Club to the Club and The Association no later than 75 minutes before the Club’s next Competition Match). 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nathandao Posted December 7, 2023 Report Share Posted December 7, 2023 What awful TV picks. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Posted December 7, 2023 Report Share Posted December 7, 2023 (edited) Wow!! so they’ve picked the 3 all prem ties plus predictably Man Utd. shocking Edited December 7, 2023 by Harry Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted December 7, 2023 Report Share Posted December 7, 2023 Sunderland Newcastle Arsenal Liverpool Cant argue with either of those. The rest are boring selections. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Club and Country Posted December 7, 2023 Report Share Posted December 7, 2023 (edited) Almost certainly paves the way for Saturday 3pm? edit: or should I say strengthens the possibility anyway Edited December 7, 2023 by Club and Country Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Posted December 7, 2023 Report Share Posted December 7, 2023 18 minutes ago, Davefevs said: Sunderland Newcastle Arsenal Liverpool Cant argue with either of those. The rest are boring selections. Definitely expected those 2. The rest are nonsense. 12 teams featured. 9 of them Prem. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Markthehorn Posted December 7, 2023 Report Share Posted December 7, 2023 21 minutes ago, Davefevs said: Sunderland Newcastle Arsenal Liverpool Cant argue with either of those. The rest are boring selections. Surely more attractive games than watching 4 reserve sides. Like POSH v Leeds as an example. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1960maaan Posted January 4 Report Share Posted January 4 Calvert Lewin sent off, I was kind of hoping for some common sense Reffing but as soon as VAR recommend a look you know he's under pressure. It is studs up, but no intent and not much momentum if any. In fact I've probably seen 3/4 worse tackles ignored over the previous month or so. VAR doing nothing to improve the game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Markthehorn Posted January 4 Report Share Posted January 4 Pretty predictable result really. Red card was harsh . Some how the league game finished 3/2! Must have been a few set play goals or bit of magiic from Eze etc . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
And Its Smith Posted January 4 Report Share Posted January 4 Weird game to put on TV. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1960maaan Posted January 4 Report Share Posted January 4 1 hour ago, Markthehorn said: Pretty predictable result really. Red card was harsh . Some how the league game finished 3/2! Must have been a few set play goals or bit of magiic from Eze etc . A risk they continually run when they choose games that already happen twice a year, and in a competition they rarely prioritise . 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Popodopolous Posted January 4 Report Share Posted January 4 1 hour ago, And Its Smith said: Weird game to put on TV. All PL, London club v Northern club with faded glories innit. Aston Villa v Middlesbrough, whiwbwe Man United have unless it's a Lower League or below or their forever feisty game with Leeds, or whatever- who gives a crap. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
richwwtk Posted January 5 Report Share Posted January 5 On 03/01/2024 at 21:02, redkev said: My bad , I do believe though the old bill can have there two penneth worth if they feel there’s gonna be a problem , so if we did draw them at there dump we would probably get no more than 1100k 1.1 million would seem a fair allocation Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lanterne Rouge Posted January 5 Report Share Posted January 5 5 hours ago, richwwtk said: 1.1 million would seem a fair allocation It still wouldn`t be enough, they`d sell them on the first morning. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redkev Posted January 5 Report Share Posted January 5 7 hours ago, Lanterne Rouge said: It still wouldn`t be enough, they`d sell them on the first morning. On 07/12/2023 at 15:30, Harry said: Wow!! so they’ve picked the 3 all prem ties plus predictably Man Utd. shocking The only decent one their worthy of showing is the toon / mackems - possibly Boro / villa the rest are shite Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Markthehorn Posted January 5 Report Share Posted January 5 Hopefully not a sign of things to come for the Tv games ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronnie Sinclair Posted January 5 Report Share Posted January 5 Spurs v Burnley not a spectacle thus far! 1 minute ago, Markthehorn said: Hopefully not a sign of things to come for the Tv games ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
42nite Posted January 6 Report Share Posted January 6 15 hours ago, redkev said: The only decent one their worthy of showing is the toon / mackems - possibly Boro / villa the rest are shite Yep, hope the Mackems smackem! That'll calm Pants and Dick down a bit! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red Army 75 Posted January 6 Report Share Posted January 6 12-45 kick off itv . Sunderland v Newcastle, should be a cracker Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
22A Posted January 6 Report Share Posted January 6 44 years ago in the 3rd round; Rover 1 Villa 3. City 6 Derby 2. Both at home for a 3.0-0pm ko. Odd thing about the City result, Derby had visited AG in the league just a few weeks before and won 2-0. Also that day Halifax v Man C on a pitch that would be deemed unplayable these days. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
petehinton Posted January 6 Report Share Posted January 6 Absolutely horrific kit clash. Brilliant. 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sweeneys Penalties Posted January 6 Report Share Posted January 6 38 minutes ago, Red Army 75 said: 12-45 kick off itv . Sunderland v Newcastle, should be a cracker I hope so. I'm surprised (as a person with colour blindness) that both teams are in stripes. It doesn't make it easy to distinguish the teams 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
W-S-M Seagull Posted January 6 Report Share Posted January 6 2 minutes ago, petehinton said: Absolutely horrific kit clash. Brilliant. Was just thinking the same. Someone has had a shocker here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red Army 75 Posted January 6 Report Share Posted January 6 Just now, Sweeneys Penalties said: I hope so. I'm surprised (as a person with colour blindness) that both teams are in stripes. It doesn't make it easy to distinguish the teams Same here. Didn’t realise it was a Newcastle player with the header. Looking at the shorts is the saviour for me 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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