Who can we sacrifice to free up salary space?

[Riaz]

45 minutes ago, Tony Tootle said:

Harry Cornick seems to have become the new scapegoat on this forum. He's no world beater but he's a decent player and we've had far worse in recent memory that have cost a lot more than he has.

I'm actually joking. Willing to give him time.

[Topper 123]

2 minutes ago, Steve Watts said:

The running of the football club.  I realise it's not convenient for you, but wages do form a big part of that and so have to be included!

The wages must have a salary budget set each season now the club will know what they have to pay out unless they sign extra players through the season which will add to the wage bill this applies to all clubs so if we’re losing that amount of money each year someone is not doing their job and don’t forget lansdowns have invested £180 million so we CANT be losing that much :laugh:

[Topper 123]

Crowds up every year since COVID 

season ticket sales UP every year 

squad numbers reduced for last 3 seasons 

squad wages also reduced 

hospitality at its highest ever at AG 

BALANCE ON BUY AND SELL IN LAST 7 years £50 million plus 

but WERE STILL LOSING MONEY SOMETHING NOT RIGHT THEN 

[Redrascal2]

Lansdown 

[Bristol Rob]

6 minutes ago, Topper 123 said:

Crowds up every year since COVID 

season ticket sales UP every year 

squad numbers reduced for last 3 seasons 

squad wages also reduced 

hospitality at its highest ever at AG 

BALANCE ON BUY AND SELL IN LAST 7 years £50 million plus 

but WERE STILL LOSING MONEY SOMETHING NOT RIGHT THEN 

If expenses exceed income then there will be a loss.

[Monkeh]

1 hour ago, Topper 123 said:

thanks for putting me straight can you also tell me where the £130 million transfer income has gone ( not interested in wages as every club has them to pay ) just a question as I can’t find any answers to this one ?

The club has made a profit once in the last 20 years, that's where its gone, that as well as the ground redevelopment, wages that on average have been around 120% of turnover, buying players.....

[Topper 123]

1 minute ago, Bristol Rob said:

If expenses exceed income then there will be a loss.

Without a doubt but there must be a lot of clubs far worse off than us then not to forget the last couple of years the cups have been kind to us as well 

[Monkeh]

10 minutes ago, Topper 123 said:

Crowds up every year since COVID 

season ticket sales UP every year 

squad numbers reduced for last 3 seasons 

squad wages also reduced 

hospitality at its highest ever at AG 

BALANCE ON BUY AND SELL IN LAST 7 years £50 million plus 

but WERE STILL LOSING MONEY SOMETHING NOT RIGHT THEN 

Turnstile money doesn't even cover the academy 

[Topper 123]

2 minutes ago, Monkeh said:

The club has made a profit once in the last 20 years, that's where its gone, that as well as the ground redevelopment, wages that on average have been around 120% of turnover, buying players.....

We’ve bought est something like £75 million in last 6/7 seasons

sold est something like £125 million 

now the balance of £50 odd million should help with a hell of a lot of running costs 

[red panda]

12 minutes ago, Topper 123 said:

Crowds up every year since COVID 

season ticket sales UP every year 

squad numbers reduced for last 3 seasons 

squad wages also reduced 

hospitality at its highest ever at AG 

BALANCE ON BUY AND SELL IN LAST 7 years £50 million plus 

but WERE STILL LOSING MONEY SOMETHING NOT RIGHT THEN 

It's called football (or, more specifically, EFL Championship football).  No one makes any money.

[Topper 123]

2 minutes ago, Monkeh said:

Turnstile money doesn't even cover the academy 

Ok you beat me 

[Topper 123]

8 minutes ago, Monkeh said:

Turnstile money doesn't even cover the academy 

No bet it don’t but selling em does 

[Monkeh]

6 minutes ago, Topper 123 said:

We’ve bought est something like £75 million in last 6/7 seasons

sold est something like £125 million 

now the balance of £50 odd million should help with a hell of a lot of running costs 

Seriously please read the accounts, 

[Mr Popodopolous]

I'm unsure about turnstile money v Academy. Depends if we are talking Academy building cost or annual cost of running it.

We are a Category Two aren't we, although talent wise we match or better a number of Category some at the level. That is often £1.5m per year.

[James54De]

4 hours ago, Tony Tootle said:

Is there really any point in signing another keeper when you can use the emergency loan option should the worst happen. If O'Leary did get a bad injury I assume we would just loan in a keeper from a Premier League team as we would be allowed to do so outside of the transfer window.

Has been covered. We wouldn’t be able to sign an emergency keeper with Bajic here. 

[Monkeh]

https://find-and-update.company-information.service.gov.uk/company/03230871/filing-history

20/21, 21/22 combine loss is over 60 million, Scots money doesn't even cover half of that

[Bristol Rob]

18 minutes ago, Monkeh said:

Turnstile money doesn't even cover the academy 

Effectively, SL subsidises each Season Ticket by about £2000 each (based on fag-packet maths of 14k sold and 30mil lost). 

[italian dave]

8 minutes ago, Bristol Rob said:

Effectively, SL subsidises each Season Ticket by about £2000 each (based on fag-packet maths of 14k sold and 30mil lost). 

£1990 for those of us with digital tickets….

[italian dave]

28 minutes ago, Topper 123 said:

We’ve bought est something like £75 million in last 6/7 seasons

sold est something like £125 million 

now the balance of £50 odd million should help with a hell of a lot of running costs 

It disappears fairly quickly: it started off at £130m, went down to £125m in the space of a few posts, and now it’s a balance of £50m!

Seriously, when you think about it, we bandy about wage figures on here of £10K, £12K a week, and hardly bat an eyelid. Not long ago we’d assume players were on 3,4 times that.  £10K is half a million quid a year, £2m over a 4 year contract. And we’ve got how many players. It adds up to scary numbers very quickly. 

[Monkeh]

7 minutes ago, italian dave said:

It disappears fairly quickly: it started off at £130m, went down to £125m in the space of a few posts, and now it’s a balance of £50m!

Seriously, when you think about it, we bandy about wage figures on here of £10K, £12K a week, and hardly bat an eyelid. Not long ago we’d assume players were on 3,4 times that.  £10K is half a million quid a year, £2m over a 4 year contract. And we’ve got how many players. It adds up to scary numbers very quickly. 

When it's put like that, it makes me think k the Americans have it right in the mls *shudder*

Wage limit except for 3 marquee signings per squad 

[brad blit]

In terms of answering this ‘theoretical’ in the most basic manner, I think the best player to sell to free up wages would be Wells. Not scored a goal in open play for over 20 games, one of our biggest earners and one of older players. 

If I was playing Champ Manager, I’d sell him and use his wages (plus revenue from Scott sale) to buy 1 strong quick striker to lead the line (Like Afobe, Akpom) and another young specialised centre back 

[Davefevs]

4 hours ago, Cidre Monita said:

Assumptions and guesses? Really?! You say we have got a decent squad - 4th game in tomorrow and we have one available specialist centre back (Vyner) who may well be sold next week, one senior striker (Wells), whose best days are behind him, and what I consider to be a league 2 keeper with no serious back up. 
 

Academy players in 1st team squad:- 

* When I say academy players - obviously those promoted to the 1st team squad but on low wages to reflect this.

O’Leary/Wiles-Richards 

Vyner/Pring/Araoye/Knight-Lebel

Benarous/Scott (now gone)

Conway/Bell

Se, I class Naismith as a CB who can play in midfield…so we have 2!

3 hours ago, Bristol Rob said:

It might just be a case that having realised the wages to turnover ratio was beyond bonkers, the club decided to act before they were forced to do so. 

If things had contined on a high-spend/high-wage curve then sooner or later, points would have been deducted and further sanctioned applied, the 25Mil for Scott would have quickly dropped to a lower amount as we'd been in fire-sale mode and desperately trying to balance the books.

Until parachute payments change, this is always going to be a division where some clubs have a financial advantage which generally also means a sporting advantage. We can't blame SL (or anyone) for that, it's just the way it is. 

Can the club do more to reduce costs, increase revenue and possibly generate enough cash to either keep hold of, or buy a player or two? Possibly. But we'll still be reliant on the goodwill of SL.

Should the EFL take a look at the advantages that come with parachute payments and seek to make changes? Yes.

I've long held the view that parachute payments should only be used to cover the difference between what a relegated player is on and the average Championship wage, so if they were on 100k a week in the Prem and the average Championship wage is 10k, 90k a week of the parachute could be used to provide some financial smoothing. If they player moves on, then that element of the parachute is retained by the EFL and distributed across the remaining clubs. I'd also exclude players who sign in the last transfer window before relegation as being players they could weigh PP against. I'm sure we've all suspected some clubs of not using their last transfer window to ensure survival, but to try and be ready for their next Championship season. The reward for failure shouldn't result in a club being able to rebuild their side using Premier League relegation funds. 

Rob, you may recall that when the wage cap stuff was talked about I proposed something similar to what you are.  I basically called it a 1 season moratorium on the excess wage (above the league average).  Basically you could class his wages as £750k p.a for season 1 then report his full wage from season 2.  Basically build relegation wage reduction clauses into your contracts (not easy), get promoted or be willing to sell him on by the end of season one back down.  You could add clauses like SCMP eg, onky for those players on a 3 year deal or more signed more than 12 months ago.  No excuse for signing a player upon promotion without building something in for relegation.

3 hours ago, Tony Tootle said:

EFL rules state that ‘all the professional goalkeepers at a club are unavailable,’ due to being unfit to play, suspension or international duty.

However, a ‘professional goalkeeper’ is classed as a player who has been named in the starting eleven on five or more occasions for a Premier League or EFL club in any competitions - excluding the Papa John’s Trophy.

Therefore we we would be allowed as Bajic only has one appearance to his name (Lincoln EFL cup) and Wiles-Richards and Joe Duncan haven't got any. My suggestion of a Premier League keeper wouldn't be permitted though as apparently they are not allowed to send goalkeepers on seven-day emergency loans into the EFL.

You should’ve read on further…hate to be the bearer of bad news.

Bajic’s games for St.Etienne and Pau mean no emergency loan.  I hope our club Secretary read this too!

3 hours ago, Topper 123 said:

thanks for putting me straight can you also tell me where the £130 million transfer income has gone ( not interested in wages as every club has them to pay ) just a question as I can’t find any answers to this one ?

£76m on Transfer Fees.

The rest is all the other operating costs related to football.

£162m in wages.

£67m other costs.

[Merrick's Marvels]

3 hours ago, Topper 123 said:

BALANCE ON BUY AND SELL IN LAST 7 years £50 million plus 

but WERE STILL LOSING MONEY SOMETHING NOT RIGHT THEN 

That's football. So thank god for Lansdown, otherwise we'd be bust. We've got to give Guernsey that, if little else.

And I'm not convinced your the go-to guy for financial insight regarding City, neither. But we'll let that slide. 

[GrahamC]

8 hours ago, sh1t_ref_again said:

In that case the decision is Bajic up to replace Max if we have an injury, if not then he needs to go out on loan to open the door for an emergency loan if needed.  

How do you propose we do that? Bundle him into the Eurostar & throw him out when it reaches France?

There has to be an interested party to loan him out.

[Bristol Oil Services]

17 minutes ago, Merrick's Marvels said:

That's football. So thank god for Lansdown, otherwise we'd be bust. We've got to give Guernsey that, if little else.

And I'm not convinced your the go-to guy for financial insight regarding City, neither. But we'll let that slide. 

I dunno. If Topper'd been running our recruitment summer '15, then Cotts'd've signed 'arry McGuire, Konchesky, Fredericks, Andre Gray, Dwayne wotsit, Kodj, Bakes, Tommy Tomlin, probably a couple more, and we'd've swept all before us and stormed to 100 points, and still be in the Prem now having a laugh at all the dopey EFL clubs dotting their ffp "eyes" and crossing their ffp "teas" (like Bournemouth and a few others)

[Mr Popodopolous]

Edit.

Edited August 24, 2023 by Mr Popodopolous

[eardun]

8 hours ago, mozo said:

Stadium sponsorship?

Please let Johnson & Johnson get the deal. Imagine the meltdown! 

[sh1t_ref_again]

1 hour ago, GrahamC said:

How do you propose we do that? Bundle him into the Eurostar & throw him out when it reaches France?

There has to be an interested party to loan him out.

Would have thought the way we send out any player on loan, or are you trying to suggest he is that bad no body would want him

[Davefevs]

1 hour ago, GrahamC said:

How do you propose we do that? Bundle him into the Eurostar & throw him out when it reaches France?

There has to be an interested party to loan him out.

They tried that after Millwall (a) didn’t they?

[Rocking Red Cyril]

15 hours ago, Davefevs said:

Don’t get me wrong I’d like to hear more from Phil Alexander, but playing a bit of Devil’s advocate for a second…

…the set-up has changed on the football side.

We have gone from:

• Gould (CEO) and Pearson (Manager) to
• Alexander (CEO), Tinnion (Technical Director) and Pearson (Manager)

There is a different expectation on Alexander from a football side than Gould in terms of Comms.

It could be that Alexander is focussing more on the non-playing side of things, e.g. Commercial.  And to be fair we’ve no idea how he’s performing in that aspect, because we’ve not seen any accounts (and he would only be responsible for 4/5 months anyway).

That doesn’t excuse his quietness.  We maybe need to hear from both him and Tinnion from a more “strategic” point of view.

James or Williams.  

I wonder if the quietness maybe comes from things not going as NP expected, I think he expected Scott to stay. And he expected some/more money to come his way from the transfer when it did happen. And the worry that offers could come in for one or two of our players and if they are allowed to go . NP not knowing if or what he would be given to replace in a very short reaction period which all strikes me as fire management and having a piss poor or no plan and lack of  backing from SL. Which again raises the point has or is SL lining up a new manager 

COYR