SC&T Meeting with BCFC 13/09/23

[Merrick's Marvels]

Well if I was appointed as CEO, having already performed a similar role at a far more successful club than Bristol City, and then the owner "butted in" on the summer's major transfer deal, taking all the credit and suggesting the deal wasn't being concluded quickly enough....

I'd have the self respect to resign - if that's what's happened. 

And if it's dismissal rather than resignation, maybe it's because he's had the good sense to tell Lansdown what he thinks of all that?

Doesn't explain the golf day though! 

[Oh Louie louie]

Total lack of support from above on and off the pitch, its getting beyond a joke now

[BUTOR]

5 minutes ago, Merrick's Marvels said:

Well if I was appointed as CEO, having already performed a similar role at a far more successful club than Bristol City, and then the owner "butted in" on the summer's major transfer deal, taking all the credit and suggesting the deal wasn't being concluded quickly enough....

I'd have the self respect to resign - if that's what's happened. 

And if it's dismissal rather than resignation, maybe it's because he's had the good sense to tell Lansdown what he thinks of all that?

Doesn't explain the golf day though! 

When was the golf day? 

[bcfc01]

1 minute ago, BUTOR said:

When was the golf day? 

A couple of weeks ago w/end of 2nd/3rd I believe.

[Northern Red]

Just now, bcfc01 said:

A couple of weeks ago w/end of 2nd/3rd I believe.

In that midweek (i.e after the Swansea game)

[Cidre Monita]

13 minutes ago, Henry said:

I’d have a lot of respect for him if that’s his reasons.

You don’t stay to tow the party line if you fundamentally disagree with it. 

Richard Gould only lasted 18 months in his most recent spell. It always looked to me like he was reading hostage statements to the media  regarding our (alleged) financial situation. He obviously saw behind the curtain and didn’t like what was going on and his ambitions took him elsewhere. The Lansdown regime is really starting to concern me now. 

[Oh Louie louie]

Sacked or resigned doesn't matter to me, clearly another bad judgement call, I can't wait to hear the whopper of a reason why

[Merrick's Marvels]

13 minutes ago, BUTOR said:

When was the golf day? 

I don't know, tbf.

So are you saying there actually was a disagreement, and subsequent parting of the ways, over the handling of the Scott transfer?  

[BUTOR]

12 minutes ago, bcfc01 said:

A couple of weeks ago w/end of 2nd/3rd I believe.

Ah, well that wouldn’t contradict the rumours at all. Said to have all happened in the last week.

1 minute ago, Merrick's Marvels said:

I don't know, tbf.

So are you saying there actually was a disagreement, and subsequent parting of the ways, over the handling of the Scott transfer?  

I’ve no idea of the specific reasons, I don’t think anyone does really 

[View from the Dolman]

29 minutes ago, BUTOR said:

When was the golf day? 

September 5th. 

[Davefevs]

10 minutes ago, BUTOR said:

Ah, well that wouldn’t contradict the rumours at all. Said to have all happened in the last week.

I’ve no idea of the specific reasons, I don’t think anyone does really 

And just to tidy up dates:

Phil A, pre-recorded SOTC on Monday afternoon Monday 4th Sept

Golf Day, Tuesday 5th Sept

SC&T Meeting, Wednesday 13th Sept, apology given for non-attendance.

I’m not speculating anything, just adding dates to avoid conjecture….I think.

[One Team]

4 minutes ago, Davefevs said:

And just to tidy up dates:

Phil A, pre-recorded SOTC on Monday afternoon Monday 4th Sept

Golf Day, Tuesday 5th Sept

SC&T Meeting, Wednesday 13th Sept, apology given for non-attendance.

I’m not speculating anything, just adding dates to avoid conjecture….I think.

Fevs on it with the data as usual! You've heard the rumour too then mate?

[petehinton]

Don’t know any detail but there were a few people pre match saying about a ‘change at the top’ - so could add up. 

[Davefevs]

8 minutes ago, One Team said:

Fevs on it with the data as usual! You've heard the rumour too then mate?

No, not heard anything, only what I’m reading on here.  Just trying to ensure people use facts about his whereabouts.

[Merrick's Marvels]

35 minutes ago, BUTOR said:

I’ve no idea of the specific reasons, I don’t think anyone does really 

Ok, then it must be cos the CEO sent a Get Well Soon card round the office for Nige - and Guernsey got the hump! 

Edited September 17, 2023 by Merrick's Marvels

[sglosbcfc]

1 hour ago, Oh Louie louie said:

Sacked or resigned doesn't matter to me, clearly another bad judgement call, I can't wait to hear the whopper of a reason why

Friends with Russell Brand

[Mr Popodopolous]

2 hours ago, Cidre Monita said:

Richard Gould only lasted 18 months in his most recent spell. It always looked to me like he was reading hostage statements to the media  regarding our (alleged) financial situation. He obviously saw behind the curtain and didn’t like what was going on and his ambitions took him elsewhere. The Lansdown regime is really starting to concern me now. 

When Gould was here there was genuinely a pretty bad financial (FFP) situation. I don't believe the League would have responded well had we been more expansive up until the Semenyo sale. Him and NP did a great job in salvaging matters.

League had more restrictive powers for clubs who wouldn't play ball if there was a potential breach in future numbers, read up if you don't believe me.

Edited September 17, 2023 by Mr Popodopolous

[Davefevs]

6 minutes ago, sglosbcfc said:

Friends with Russell Brand

 

 

[Cidre Monita]

20 minutes ago, Mr Popodopolous said:

When Gould was here there was genuinely a pretty bad financial (FFP) situation. I don't believe the League would have responded well had we been more expansive up until the Semenyo sale. Him and NP did a great job in salvaging matters.

League had more restrictive powers for clubs who wouldn't play ball if there was a potential breach in future numbers, read up if you don't believe me.

Pretty sure I read in Bristol Live that Kieran Maguire the football financial specialist had commented that City had no FFP problems even without the Semenyo sale. I will try and find the article. Although I’m no forensic accountant my instinct at the time told me that a lot of what Gould had to say was spin as directed by his Lord and master. I did find it strange that Gould (a local lad) would up sticks after 18 months from a (seemingly) ambitious football club to take up a cricket position, albeit at international level. 
 

Covid aside the recent financial issues had much to do with Lansdown’s recruitment of LJ and MA. Lansdown failed to do due diligence on Ashton which if he did so would have known what a charlatan he was (courtesy the Watford Gazette). I find it quite galling that SL seems to constantly remind us how lucky we are to have him underwriting the debts which have to a large extent been due to his errors. 

[Mr Popodopolous]

21 minutes ago, Cidre Monita said:

Pretty sure I read in Bristol Live that Kieran Maguire the football financial specialist had commented that City had no FFP problems even without the Semenyo sale. I will try and find the article. Although I’m no forensic accountant my instinct at the time told me that a lot of what Gould had to say was spin as directed by his Lord and master. I did find it strange that Gould (a local lad) would up sticks after 18 months from a (seemingly) ambitious football club to take up a cricket position, albeit at international level. 
 

Covid aside the recent financial issues had much to do with Lansdown’s recruitment of LJ and MA. Lansdown failed to do due diligence on Ashton which if he did so would have known what a charlatan he was (courtesy the Watford Gazette). I find it quite galling that SL seems to constantly remind us how lucky we are to have him underwriting the debts which have to a large extent been due to his errors. 

Please do, we were heavily restricted though. I don't remember that but if you can find it that would be great.

Sort of think a bit of a quid pro quo was incoming, whereby had Semenyo stayed the League would have taken a dim view. They could restrict us in anticipation, maybe Semenyo would have needed to go this year or by the end of the 2022-23 ie June 2023.

I did find an article.

https://www.bristolpost.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/bristol-city-football-finance-accounts-7837398

Edited September 17, 2023 by Mr Popodopolous

[Davefevs]

42 minutes ago, Cidre Monita said:

I did find it strange that Gould (a local lad) would up sticks after 18 months from a (seemingly) ambitious football club to take up a cricket position, albeit at international level. 

Probably because he’s ambitious, because it’s a bigger job, and realised to fulfil those ambitions you can’t limit yourself to Bristol or Somerset…ie why he went to Surrey previously.

[Northern Red]

39 minutes ago, Davefevs said:

Probably because he’s ambitious, because it’s a bigger job, and realised to fulfil those ambitions you can’t limit yourself to Bristol or Somerset…ie why he went to Surrey previously.

Yep, and I suspect the club will have known it was a possibility when they appointed him. 

[Cidre Monita]

On 17/09/2023 at 18:24, Davefevs said:

Probably because he’s ambitious, because it’s a bigger job, and realised to fulfil those ambitions you can’t limit yourself to Bristol or Somerset…ie why he went to Surrey previously.

Appreciate what you’re saying Dave but I think that Gould would have stayed if he thought SL had any serious intentions of getting to the PL. Even at international level cricket is small fry compared to top level football and the money involved. 
Whilst we’re on the topic can you remember a tweet a few years back from Angus Scott (City fan/broadcaster & brother of Steve) saying that he had inside knowledge of what a basket case the club was under the Lansdowns and that we would never make the PL with SL as owner. I think the tweet may have been deleted quite soon afterwards?! 

[BrizzleRed]

10 minutes ago, Cidre Monita said:

Appreciate what you’re saying Dave but I think that Gould would have stayed if he thought SL had any serious intentions of getting to the PL. Even at international level cricket is small fry compared to top level football and the money involved. 
Whilst we’re on the topic can you remember a tweet a few years back from Angus Scott (City fan/broadcaster & brother of Steve) saying that he had inside knowledge of what a basket case the club was under the Lansdowns and that we would never make the PL with SL as owner. I think the tweet may have been deleted quite soon afterwards?! 

Totally agree regarding Gould and ambition at BCFC.  

I think you could also say the same for any of our players with serious ambition too.  They can all pay lip-service by saying they’d like to reach the Premier League with City, but I’ll bet none of them actually believe it and is why we can’t hang on to our young stars

[Mr Popodopolous]

4 minutes ago, BrizzleRed said:

Totally agree regarding Gould and ambition at BCFC.  

I think you could also say the same for any of our players with serious ambition too.  They can all pay lip-service by saying they’d like to reach the Premier League with City, but I’ll bet none of them actually believe it and is why we can’t hang on to our young stars

Also a way of life at this level to some extent, look at a host of clubs. Truth perhaps lies somewhere in the middle, for a time FFP was a factor but not anymore.

Edited September 19, 2023 by Mr Popodopolous

[Davefevs]

24 minutes ago, Cidre Monita said:

Appreciate what you’re saying Dave but I think that Gould would have stayed if he thought SL had any serious intentions of getting to the PL. Even at international level cricket is small fry compared to top level football and the money involved. 
Whilst we’re on the topic can you remember a tweet a few years back from Angus Scott (City fan/broadcaster & brother of Steve) saying that he had inside knowledge of what a basket case the club was under the Lansdowns and that we would never make the PL with SL as owner. I think the tweet may have been deleted quite soon afterwards?! 

I think you’ll find you’re wrong!

Lets take a rebounding club like Norwich as a fair comparison - PL turnover £133.9m (£57m in Champ).

ECB - £332m

You have to be a top 6 PL club to beat that!

Data from annual accounts (21/22) summarised below:

Does that change your mind having been presented with the facts.  I think I know which is the bigger job, even if City got to the PL.

Bristol City are currently 1/10th the turnover of the ECB!!!

[Bristol Rob]

1 hour ago, Cidre Monita said:

Appreciate what you’re saying Dave but I think that Gould would have stayed if he thought SL had any serious intentions of getting to the PL. Even at international level cricket is small fry compared to top level football and the money involved. 
Whilst we’re on the topic can you remember a tweet a few years back from Angus Scott (City fan/broadcaster & brother of Steve) saying that he had inside knowledge of what a basket case the club was under the Lansdowns and that we would never make the PL with SL as owner. I think the tweet may have been deleted quite soon afterwards?! 

Yeah, because if I was Gould, I would much rather spend part of my working week in Luton rather than Barbados 

I have absolutely no idea what your insight is to why Gould would have stayed, but given the choice between a national and international leadership role, most people are going to with the product they have most interest in (in his case, cricket) and then the opportunities that role affords them. 

 

[BrizzleRed]

44 minutes ago, Mr Popodopolous said:

Also a way of life at this level to some extent, look at a host of clubs. Truth perhaps lies somewhere in the middle, for a time FFP was a factor but not anymore.

Oh definitely, but at least teams with recent Prem experience, or at least displaying genuine ambition may have a chance of getting an extra season or two out of a star player before they move on.  

I just can’t see any of our players seriously believing they’ve got a realistic chance of reaching the Prem with us.

[petehinton]

1 hour ago, Cidre Monita said:

Appreciate what you’re saying Dave but I think that Gould would have stayed if he thought SL had any serious intentions of getting to the PL. Even at international level cricket is small fry compared to top level football and the money involved. 
Whilst we’re on the topic can you remember a tweet a few years back from Angus Scott (City fan/broadcaster & brother of Steve) saying that he had inside knowledge of what a basket case the club was under the Lansdowns and that we would never make the PL with SL as owner. I think the tweet may have been deleted quite soon afterwards?! 

Gould got the very very top job he could’ve basically ever dreamed of, in the sport that arguably he prefers to football and had a greater history in at more senior roles. 
 

Getting That job for him probably is on a par for if we were to get promoted. I think people understate just how big cricket in this country is…

[Cidre Monita]

47 minutes ago, Davefevs said:

I think you’ll find you’re wrong!

Lets take a rebounding club like Norwich as a fair comparison - PL turnover £133.9m (£57m in Champ).

ECB - £332m

You have to be a top 6 PL club to beat that!

Data from annual accounts (21/22) summarised below:

Does that change your mind having been presented with the facts.  I think I know which is the bigger job, even if City got to the PL.

Bristol City are currently 1/10th the turnover of the ECB!!!

Again appreciate what you’re saying but football is our national game followed by millions of passionate fans and has a much higher profile than cricket. If City had any serious ambitions I couldn’t see Gould jumping ship when he did. Not sure he would have been too bothered about Barbados with an away game at Old Trafford on the weekend followed by a mid-week away Euro cup tie at Inter Milan (I can dream!). If we were in the prem lots of people would know the name of Richard Gould - I doubt very much anyone will know the name of someone high up within the international cricket administration? I think being in the public eye is important to people of his ilk.
To summarise I think we can all agree that there is currently something fundamentally wrong with our club and the exit of Gould I believe was a by-product of this. If for example he were the CEO of Luton last year I’m not sure he would have left them when he left us?