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1 minute ago, Shauntaylor85 said:

Max worries me, he really does. I never feel confident with him, lacks presence and some poor decisions today. The first goal he should get a hand on it. 

I’m normally happy to dish out criticism, but that 1st goal looked unstoppable from the angle I was seeing it from. 

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8 minutes ago, The hand of RO'D said:

THIS 100%. I’m still struggling to get my head around how we’ve come away from that game with a 3-2 loss, we were terrific in every department.

Can’t be terrific in every department when you concede 3 in any game.  Granted we should have won but just lost to a poor side 

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Respectfully I’d disagree with the OP Glyn. 
 

2 weeks ago v West Brom it was hugely frustrating that we didn’t make any subs until the 79th minute when the game was crying out for us to inject something to change the momentum of the game. 
 

Today Nige basically did the polar opposite of what he did v West Brom. 
 

We were by far the better team in the first half and once again we came out slow and sloppy in the second half and the opposition got on top. Exactly the same as v West Brom. 
 

When I saw the 4 changes I was surprised but actually pleasantly so. It was very clear to me that the game was going the same way as West Brom and we needed to do something to change the momentum. Stoke had began to dominate and after we’d been by far the better team in the first half it needed to change. 
 

And it worked. After the subs, we immediately wrestled back the momentum and were again the better side. Yeboah was giving them something to think about. Cornick was battling and scrapping for everything and giving their Cb’s a real hard time (in fact I’d give him man of the match). Weimann did what Weimann does and was drifting, dragging and making penetrative runs. The changes gave Stoke a problem and shifted the momentum back to us. Until we blew it at the end - and that was zero fault of any of the subs. 
 

Whilst I was very critical of Nige for the lack of subs v West Brom, I was really pleased to see how he reacted today and the early subs really shifted the momentum back to us in a game that looked like it was about to get away from us again. 
I was happy with these changes today. 

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It’s amazing how we all see the game so differently. I thought the subs made perfect sense…. We’d lost our intensity, especially on the press, after they pulled one back and the subs all put in a massive shift to help us get that back. With us having 2 more games this week, it all seemed sensible to me.

Of the players that came on, Cornick had the best game I’ve seen from him and Weimann gave us the energy that you’d expect from him. I agree with others who say that Yeboah just isn’t quite ready to affect a game of that magnitude yet. He’s full of running, power and pace but is miles off being an effective championship player in my opinion.

Ultimately I thought we deserved to win the game but for some dreadful defending. It was incredibly frustrating to watch. 

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34 minutes ago, Alex_BCFC said:

No goals and no assists. As I said, have faith he will be good long term but needs time out on loan as too raw right now. 

Reminds me of Semenyo. Brought in too early to make an impact. Needs a few cameo appearances when we’re in control of the game. Not ready to be a game changer, yet. 

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Let’s see how we react on Wednesday - need a result as unlikely to get much/anything against Leeds - don’t want to go into the international break on the back of a really poor run of results

Play like we did going forward today and cut out the mistakes and we are more than good enough to win away at Rotherham

Real tough one to take today but hopefully, we will bounce back in midweek 🤞

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17 minutes ago, The hand of RO'D said:

THIS 100%. I’m still struggling to get my head around how we’ve come away from that game with a 3-2 loss, we were terrific in every department.

That just not true. I don't think we're as bad as the op states but we were far from good. 

The amount of misplaced passes and hoofs up to the channels was mind boggling. 

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1 hour ago, sinenomine said:

Seemed pretty clear to me that Sykes was hooked for lack of tracking back off the ball. 

He was fine going forward but wasn't offering Tanner much support. 

Yep, tweeted @Shuffle after the game that I wondered if Bell and Sykes were subbed for not tracking back a couple of time second half.  Haven’t seen their equaliser, and it was in far corner from where I sat so did Bell switch off for the give and go to Hoever?

(Great pull back by the way)

(Great strike for their opener by the way)

1 hour ago, Harvey86 said:

I actually thought Sykes tracked back better in the first half than Bell did 2nd half (watching from the Dolman). Thought Cornick was good, but needs someone closer to him to pick up the ball when he flicks on/ it bundles off his shin. Like the look of Yeboah, but wish we could keep him as a last ten substitute for energy rather than pinning our hopes on him that early in the game

First half we were pretty dominant (as dominant as a City side ever is), so not an awful lot of tracking back needed.

1 hour ago, And Its Smith said:

Very good second half after 54th minute?  We had one shot.  I don’t think one shot in 43 minutes of football can ever be called very good.  Lacked any sort of finesse or calmness on the ball: thought it was really poor 

We had 6 shots at half-time.  13 at full-time.  All 7 in the second half came after the subs.  I’ve just gone back over bbc live text. So you’re facts are way, way off.

7 minutes ago, Son of Fred said:

My gut feelings say the four subs were an anger reaction & not considered.

Although of course I can't be sure of that, it certainly presented itself in that way.

 

I think there was some anger in Bell and Sykes subs.  Tanner injury, carried over from first half, perhaps?  TGH almost came on first half.

I wouldn’t have made 4 subs.

I actually thought we played well for most of the game.

I think the result is driving people’s criticism.  If they want to be critical of the result, that’s cool, I’m bloody annoyed by it too.

3 minutes ago, Shauntaylor85 said:

We weren’t playing that badly. Tanner deserved to go off, gutted McCrorie is out as we are crying out for a bombing down the wing right back. Pring gave us a lot on the left. TGH is a good player but again no idea why he is on free kicks. Naismith had to be, I was expecting Kal to take that one on the edge. Cornick did well, but Sykes was on it and shouldn’t have been taken off. I’d have been tempted even to go 3.5.2.  

Because he was carrying an injury?  Or because you thought he was poor?  I thought he gave more attacking wise today than he has all season.

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9 minutes ago, Shuffle said:

Can’t be terrific in every department when you concede 3 in any game.  Granted we should have won but just lost to a poor side 

No, you can’t.  We defended really poorly for their winner.

I need to see the equaliser again.  Looked sloppy in letting Hoever get the cross in.

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9 minutes ago, Harry said:

Respectfully I’d disagree with the OP Glyn. 
 

2 weeks ago v West Brom it was hugely frustrating that we didn’t make any subs until the 79th minute when the game was crying out for us to inject something to change the momentum of the game. 
 

Today Nige basically did the polar opposite of what he did v West Brom. 
 

We were by far the better team in the first half and once again we came out slow and sloppy in the second half and the opposition got on top. Exactly the same as v West Brom. 
 

When I saw the 4 changes I was surprised but actually pleasantly so. It was very clear to me that the game was going the same way as West Brom and we needed to do something to change the momentum. Stoke had began to dominate and after we’d been by far the better team in the first half it needed to change. 
 

And it worked. After the subs, we immediately wrestled back the momentum and were again the better side. Yeboah was giving them something to think about. Cornick was battling and scrapping for everything and giving their Cb’s a real hard time (in fact I’d give him man of the match). Weimann did what Weimann does and was drifting, dragging and making penetrative runs. The changes gave Stoke a problem and shifted the momentum back to us. Until we blew it at the end - and that was zero fault of any of the subs. 
 

Whilst I was very critical of Nige for the lack of subs v West Brom, I was really pleased to see how he reacted today and the early subs really shifted the momentum back to us in a game that looked like it was about to get away from us again. 
I was happy with these changes today. 

Fair enough, I respect your opinion mate. Needless to say, I don’t agree 👍

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21 minutes ago, Cityboy1954 said:

He does give me the impression hes not enjoying his football .

Are you serious?

The shot that hit the Bristol Bears sign was pretty awful but he worked bloody hard, took his goal well.

He gives me the complete opposite impression.

As an aside Harry Cornick can’t catch a break, that was one of his best performances for us & we still get beat, on that evidence he definitely deserves a start in one of the 2 away games coming up.

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1 hour ago, Shauntaylor85 said:

Yeboah will be good but he isn’t ready yet. He doesn’t ever look threatening and struggles to get past the full back. I think with Conway back we see less of him for now. 

100% agree, very frustrating against a physical team today,  spent of his time on his backside.

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31 minutes ago, Bodiesaffer said:

Agreed, however I don’t want to risk Conway having another set back.  

If he’s fit enough to be on the bench, he should be fit enough to play longer than the few minutes he did. If he’s not 90% fit, he shouldn’t be on the bench IMO. 

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1 minute ago, glynriley said:

Fair enough, I respect your opinion mate. Needless to say, I don’t agree 👍

Yep. Trust me mate, it was a surprise to me that he did it. But ultimately I think overall we played better after the substitutions and I don’t think the loss was as a result of those changes. 

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At the end of the day, poor defensive mistakes cost us. The first especially, weak header by Naismith, Pring gets out-hussled and it was a terrific shot. As that stage we looked very likely to get a 3rd before the break.

I too thought we improved after the subs came on, just lacking the finishing, hopefully TC would soon be fir to start and fix that for this.

 

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19 minutes ago, Shauntaylor85 said:

Max worries me, he really does. I never feel confident with him, lacks presence and some poor decisions today. The first goal he should get a hand on it. 

Was really poor today with the ball at his feet. Not sure the goals were his fault

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1 minute ago, Super said:

Was really poor today with the ball at his feet. Not sure the goals were his fault

Ropey moment with the ball at his feet 2nd half sticks out. Attempted pass rebounds off their player. Fortunately it goes safe, but too casual for my liking. 
 

I struggle to see confidence in MOL presently. When he first came into the team, to replace DB, he looked very confident. Now it seems like he is almost he shrinking into his goal.

Those who have said we needed an older Maenpaa-type keeper to come in and challenge were spot on for me. 

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2 minutes ago, Harry said:

Yep. Trust me mate, it was a surprise to me that he did it. But ultimately I think overall we played better after the substitutions and I don’t think the loss was as a result of those changes. 

I’m not so sure. Thought Cornick did well but for me, our full backs were more exposed with the changes. I’m no Terry Venables , but for my untrained eye, we surrendered the wide areas. Appreciate we all see things differently. 

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12 minutes ago, Davefevs said:

Yep, tweeted @Shuffle after the game that I wondered if Bell and Sykes were subbed for not tracking back a couple of time second half.  Haven’t seen their equaliser, and it was in far corner from where I sat so did Bell switch off for the give and go to Hoever?

(Great pull back by the way)

(Great strike for their opener by the way)

First half we were pretty dominant (as dominant as a City side ever is), so not an awful lot of tracking back needed.

We had 6 shots at half-time.  13 at full-time.  All 7 in the second half came after the subs.  I’ve just gone back over bbc live text. So you’re facts are way, way off.

I think there was some anger in Bell and Sykes subs.  Tanner injury, carried over from first half, perhaps?  TGH almost came on first half.

I wouldn’t have made 4 subs.

I actually thought we played well for most of the game.

I think the result is driving people’s criticism.  If they want to be critical of the result, that’s cool, I’m bloody annoyed by it too.

Because he was carrying an injury?  Or because you thought he was poor?  I thought he gave more attacking wise today than he has all season.

Flashscore have got facts wrong if anybody. Not me 

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16 minutes ago, Harry said:

Respectfully I’d disagree with the OP Glyn. 
 

2 weeks ago v West Brom it was hugely frustrating that we didn’t make any subs until the 79th minute when the game was crying out for us to inject something to change the momentum of the game. 
 

Today Nige basically did the polar opposite of what he did v West Brom. 
 

We were by far the better team in the first half and once again we came out slow and sloppy in the second half and the opposition got on top. Exactly the same as v West Brom. 
 

When I saw the 4 changes I was surprised but actually pleasantly so. It was very clear to me that the game was going the same way as West Brom and we needed to do something to change the momentum. Stoke had began to dominate and after we’d been by far the better team in the first half it needed to change. 
 

And it worked. After the subs, we immediately wrestled back the momentum and were again the better side. Yeboah was giving them something to think about. Cornick was battling and scrapping for everything and giving their Cb’s a real hard time (in fact I’d give him man of the match). Weimann did what Weimann does and was drifting, dragging and making penetrative runs. The changes gave Stoke a problem and shifted the momentum back to us. Until we blew it at the end - and that was zero fault of any of the subs. 
 

Whilst I was very critical of Nige for the lack of subs v West Brom, I was really pleased to see how he reacted today and the early subs really shifted the momentum back to us in a game that looked like it was about to get away from us again. 
I was happy with these changes today. 

Agree.

16 minutes ago, BS3_RED said:

NP stats.

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And?  What point are you trying to make.

3 minutes ago, Lew-T said:

I don’t think the subs were the problem, I thought they gave us the momentum back after Stoke somehow got an equaliser. 

The defending for their 3rd goal was embarrassing.

This.

I really am not looking forward to seeing the highlights.

With the ball we were really good today.  Weimann looked really sharp when he came on.  Cornick really effective.  We were t that bad without it either…but boy were we punished in isolated incidents.  That was today’s game in a nutshell for me.

Yeboah is Yeboah.  With Conway and Weimann back he will probably drop back down the pecking order a bit I guess.  Good experience in this early part of his career.

TGH is a good addition to the club.

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1 minute ago, And Its Smith said:

Flashscore have got facts wrong if anybody. Not me 

But surely you watched the game?

I didn’t need bbc to tell me that we had several shots.  I only used bbc to confirm the specific numbers….it was so obviously more than one shot after the subs.

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Just now, Davefevs said:

But surely you watched the game?

I didn’t need bbc to tell me that we had several shots.  I only used bbc to confirm the specific numbers….it was so obviously more than one shot after the subs.

Not sure if you’ve seen all the talk about robins TV being extremely poor today.  As a consequence I couldn’t really watch the game second half.  

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I don't think Nige will ever get us promoted.

He has got together his squad which is good but not good enough to get us up.

We will get some wins and some defeats like today and probably will languish in mid table for the foreseeable.

Nige is solid enough but for promotion we probably need somebody a bit more dynamic. 

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Just now, Davefevs said:

Ok, so you’ve taken your view on our performance second half from Flashscore 😉😉😉

No I said that one shot in one half of football cannot be classed as a very good performance. I think that’s fair enough. If flashscore is wrong then clearly I retract my comment as it was based on wrong information. Hope that satisfies you. If not, I’m sorry 

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Just now, glynriley said:

Best not to pay attention to people who rarely attend. 

As I’ve explained on here before, used to have a season ticket every season until I got made redundant.  Now I cannot afford to attend games so I rarely go.  I actually had a free ticket for today but my father died recently and I’m not in a good place and so just didn’t want to be around people.  

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41 minutes ago, Shauntaylor85 said:

Pring gave us a lot on the left.

I thought he could have done much better in the build up to 2 of the goals!
 

Also why is he so afraid of shooting a brilliant run seemed to take him to shooting distance only to sweep it right and slow the move - I have been a big fan but at his age he needs better decision making!

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6 minutes ago, Top Robin said:

I don't think Nige will ever get us promoted.

He has got together his squad which is good but not good enough to get us up.

We will get some wins and some defeats like today and probably will languish in mid table for the foreseeable.

Nige is solid enough but for promotion we probably need somebody a bit more dynamic. 

He also is working with at least one hand tied behind his back even over and above the usual FFP constraints thanks to our overall generous but strategically erratic owner 

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1 minute ago, And Its Smith said:

As I’ve explained on here before, used to have a season ticket every season until I got made redundant.  Now I cannot afford to attend games so I rarely go.  I actually had a free ticket for today but my father died recently and I’m not in a good place and so just didn’t want to be around people.  

Condolences on your loss.

I know what you’re going through having lost my mum not long ago. But maybe don’t critique a game you followed on the internet. 

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It really does appear that some posters on here were cheering for joy when Stoke got their winner . Just to be negative on here.  Most bizzare behaviour.

Excellent debate about the subs . Rather looked like a great move , the game was ebbing away from us. Cornick was excellent , yet few can bring themselves to say it. I struggle with the signing, but if he is good , he is good. He was damn good. More of that Harry. Well done that man. 
 

We missed Vyner , hugely . Who would have thought that 18 months ago? 
 

We should not lose games like today, it is frustrating. But we still look like a proper side, missing maybe some quality, but we have many constraints, so we have to develop. We are. If you watch football , live football , to be entertained , we were entertained . There were stories everywhere. We do not look a joke , players work damn hard , and they care . We also play some beautiful football at times . Young players developing , getting better . That’s enjoyable . We are no longer a soft touch , a holiday club . 
 

Oh and TC is coming back. That boy is going places. 
 

We will be in the play off mix , as will 12 other clubs . That is the league we are in. But no longer a joke club that everyone laughed at . 

 

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4 minutes ago, Psychopomp said:

We will be in the play off mix , as will 12 other clubs . That is the league we are in. But no longer a joke club that everyone laughed at . 

 

I struggle to see how we have been a joke club in recent years and unaware that everyone laughed at Bristol City -a club with superb facilities and ground, no relegation and a brilliant record of youth players coming through - yes, also financial problems like about 60-70 other league clubs. Are you confusing us with Reading, Swindon or rovers etc?

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This illustrates the problem NP is working with. There was a lot of effort, and running around, in the second half but unfortunately not that extra bit of class and creativity. Class and creativity costs money and City don’t / can’t want to spend 

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7 minutes ago, pongo88 said:

This illustrates the problem NP is working with. There was a lot of effort, and running around, in the second half but unfortunately not that extra bit of class and creativity. Class and creativity costs money and City don’t / can’t want to spend 

We always sell our best players and rebuild so reality is this will continually happen. Can’t wait for a change at the top. The club needs new leadership at board level.  

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1 minute ago, Marina's Rolls Royce said:

I struggle to see how we have been a joke club in recent years and unaware that everyone laughed at Bristol City -a club with superb facilities and ground, no relegation and a brilliant record of youth players coming through - yes, also financial problems like about 60-70 other league clubs. Are you confusing us with Reading, Swindon or rovers etc?

Then you really have no clue about how our club has been viewed in professional circles these last decades . How long did it take to get those facilities ? Have you seen what other clubs have also done? How do our facilities , those that arrived just a few years ago , compare with Prem league clubs ? 
 

The icing on your cake is that you quote Swindon and Rovers. Yeah that’s the benchmark for a City like Bristol . Just with these comments you confirm why we have been a joke in professional circles. 
 

Unreal 
 

 


 

 

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34 minutes ago, And Its Smith said:

As I’ve explained on here before, used to have a season ticket every season until I got made redundant.  Now I cannot afford to attend games so I rarely go.  I actually had a free ticket for today but my father died recently and I’m not in a good place and so just didn’t want to be around people.  

Sorry to hear that mate. I have been through the same lately so know exactly how you feel. Keep your chin up buddy.

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I'm sure Tanner was replaced as he was injured. He'd signalled to come off in the first half when the physio saw him and I was surprised he came out for the second. Shortly before he went off he needed to chase his man but you could see he was only going at about 70% speed. He then signalled he needed to come off.

He'd also been arguing a bit with Dickie about his starting position being (in Dickie's view) too high up the pitch. I don't know if that contributed, but it's something I've noticed Vyner complain to him about before as well.

Cornick deserves a start in one of our next two games imo. He reminds me a bit of Peter Crouch in that he never looks like he has complete control of his limbs, but in fact is deceptively skilful and good at close control. Was impressed with him today.

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13 minutes ago, IAmNick said:

I'm sure Tanner was replaced as he was injured. He'd signalled to come off in the first half when the physio saw him and I was surprised he came out for the second. Shortly before he went off he needed to chase his man but you could see he was only going at about 70% speed. He then signalled he needed to come off.

He'd also been arguing a bit with Dickie about his starting position being (in Dickie's view) too high up the pitch. I don't know if that contributed, but it's something I've noticed Vyner complain to him about before as well.

Cornick deserves a start in one of our next two games imo. He reminds me a bit of Peter Crouch in that he never looks like he has complete control of his limbs, but in fact is deceptively skilful and good at close control. Was impressed with him today.

Dickie was ok but both he and Naismith are a risk at the back. Vyner and Atkinson would be lovely with Kal in the mid and McCrorie at RB. Big difference….oh and perhaps we will buy a decent keeper in Jan! Job done.  

1 minute ago, Mr Popodopolous said:

If Tanner and Sykes are now potentially injury doubts or heading towards risk of injury we truly cannot catch a break!!

Tanner won’t be a huge loss. Sykes on the other hand, disappointed he went off. He is a bright player at present for us. 

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1 hour ago, And Its Smith said:

As I’ve explained on here before, used to have a season ticket every season until I got made redundant.  Now I cannot afford to attend games so I rarely go.  I actually had a free ticket for today but my father died recently and I’m not in a good place and so just didn’t want to be around people.  

Condolences fella. 

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2 hours ago, Barrs Court Red said:

I’m normally happy to dish out criticism, but that 1st goal looked unstoppable from the angle I was seeing it from. 

Haven't seen it back but the initial challenge by Pring, on the edge of the box, looked weak ( from my position in the SS).

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2 minutes ago, Chairman Mao said:

Let's be real, we are a nothing club going nowhere. After years of false starts it's a wonder why anyone bothers.

That may be so, but I’m 49 years deep and looking forward to my 50th year of watching City next year. 

You can always **** off if you don’t like it. 

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3 hours ago, Gazred said:

Thought we had a bit more energy about us when they came on. Personally i wouldn't of made 4 at the same time but i don't think that cost us the points today.

The points were lost after the slow restart after HT.

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38 minutes ago, Shauntaylor85 said:

Dickie was ok but both he and Naismith are a risk at the back. Vyner and Atkinson would be lovely with Kal in the mid and McCrorie at RB. Big difference….oh and perhaps we will buy a decent keeper in Jan! Job done.  

Tanner won’t be a huge loss. Sykes on the other hand, disappointed he went off. He is a bright player at present for us. 

You really do come out with some utter shite.

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3 minutes ago, GrahamC said:

That I was pretty much in line with it, plus that our official match day feed said at the time “Sykes appears to be bundled over INSIDE the area”.

That sort of thing.

Would like to see it again. 

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1 hour ago, Psychopomp said:

Then you really have no clue about how our club has been viewed in professional circles these last decades . How long did it take to get those facilities ? Have you seen what other clubs have also done? How do our facilities , those that arrived just a few years ago , compare with Prem league clubs ? 
 

The icing on your cake is that you quote Swindon and Rovers. Yeah that’s the benchmark for a City like Bristol . Just with these comments you confirm why we have been a joke in professional circles. 
 

Unreal 
 

 


 

 

Typical- you miss Reading - in the Premiership a few years ago.

If you think our club has been a joke club for decades then I pity you.

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21 minutes ago, Super said:

Would like to see it again. 

So what you reckon the club made it up?

It serves absolutely no purpose for them to say it was inside the area if it wasn’t.

Just admit you’re wrong, it was inside the area.

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