joe jordans teeth Posted October 28, 2023 Report Share Posted October 28, 2023 55 minutes ago, Andy082005 said: What would everyone think if this was our next manager … I would think we must have new owners,SL isn’t going to replace a manager who won’t take no messing about with a manager who won’t take no messing about 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cidercity1987 Posted October 28, 2023 Report Share Posted October 28, 2023 A pointless step down from our current manager is what I would think 6 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mozo Posted October 28, 2023 Report Share Posted October 28, 2023 Firstly, what can a new manager change? He can't change the match day squad, or buy any players. It's literally just training, formation and in-game tactics. So if those are the areas that SL is convinced we're deficient in then fair enough, but it's contentious. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robinforlife2 Posted October 28, 2023 Report Share Posted October 28, 2023 I didn't say I Would want Ainsworth ..... I said, he is the sort of manager I could see appealing to Lansdown. I'm not saying his Wycombe side played like Brazil, but Ainsworth had a lot of players who should have not been good enough for league one, let alone the Championship and he grounded out results and they were plucky. He had a 40% win rate over 11 years at Wycombe, which is no mean feat. I'm not disputing that QPR was an epic failure, but they are a team in financial ruin and many tipped to struggle. I would say his Wycombe over performed. Again, I am not saying, he is someone I would like to see as our manager, but I DO think, he is the sort of manager who would appeal to Lansdown. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mozo Posted October 28, 2023 Report Share Posted October 28, 2023 Allegedly Rowett has achieved this with Millwall: 19/20: 8th 20/21: 11th 21/22: 9th 22/23: 8th Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
exAtyeoMax Posted October 28, 2023 Report Share Posted October 28, 2023 5 minutes ago, mozo said: Firstly, what can a new manager change? He can't change the match day squad, or buy any players. It's literally just training, formation and in-game tactics. So if those are the areas that SL is convinced we're deficient in then fair enough, but it's contentious. yes he can make us win the league Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cidercity1987 Posted October 28, 2023 Report Share Posted October 28, 2023 2 minutes ago, mozo said: Allegedly Rowett has achieved this with Millwall: 19/20: 8th 20/21: 11th 21/22: 9th 22/23: 8th Lee Johnson then? 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zuni Posted October 28, 2023 Report Share Posted October 28, 2023 I do think NP is doing a decent job with the players available to him but we do often look to be "out coached" and "out thought" and often ponderous in our play and decision making. Is that an old school versus modern coaching thing ? Not sure but the argument could certainly be made. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sheltons Army Posted October 28, 2023 Report Share Posted October 28, 2023 Anyway ...... Personally I think the OP is being his usual troll like self Posts a stupid OP and disappears Good thread to ignore in reality - and we don’t have any vacancy 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BCFCGav Posted October 28, 2023 Report Share Posted October 28, 2023 ANY new manager coming in now with 13 first team players ready would make a horrible start (through no fault of their own). Pearson is in the building and knows exactly what we’re up against. He’s also got us in a decent position in the table (or did have, until the injury plague). Anti-Landown sentiment is the most I’ve ever known it, amongst the fanbase and myself. Firing Pearson would take it to fever pitch. 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Swan and Cemetery Posted October 28, 2023 Report Share Posted October 28, 2023 1 minute ago, Zuni said: I do think NP is doing a decent job with the players available to him but we do often look to be "out coached" and "out thought" and often ponderous in our play and decision making. Is that an old school versus modern coaching thing ? Not sure but the argument could certainly be made. Think more that some teams have better players than us. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Popodopolous Posted October 28, 2023 Report Share Posted October 28, 2023 1 minute ago, The Swan and Cemetery said: Think more that some teams have better players than us. That, and indeed the lack of available first teamers and depth, first reserves etc impacts us worse than others as it is so persistent. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrahamC Posted October 28, 2023 Report Share Posted October 28, 2023 2 minutes ago, mozo said: Allegedly Rowett has achieved this with Millwall: 19/20: 8th 20/21: 11th 21/22: 9th 22/23: 8th There’s no “allegedly”, he did. He also got Derby to the playoffs (for balance there he also spent a fortune that we now know Mel Morris didn’t have, in doing so), was memorably sacked by Birmingham when they were 7th & replaced by Gianfranco Zola who took them down the league at a rapid rate & was one of many to try & fail badly at Stoke. His Championship CV is decent but his football is pretty uninspiring. He’s certainly no Dean Holden type appointment though if it happened. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Champs Posted October 28, 2023 Report Share Posted October 28, 2023 34 minutes ago, robinforlife2 said: Personally, I've never been a big fan of Rowett. I remember him being mentioned in the past, and he just comes across as a depressive manager. He reminds me too much of McInnes or O'Driscoll and would be a negative appointment, boring football etc. However, QPR sacking Ainsworth, might have SL thinking. Ainsworth done a great job at Wycombe, on a shoestring budget. His teams often play good football. QPR has been a disaster for him, but I have a feeling, he is the sort of manager that Lansdown would be tempted by. I'm not saying, I would want Ainsworth, but, I do think he will be one of the front runners, if SL decides to remove Pearson over the next few weeks. Since when have Ainsworth sides played good football? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Galley is our king Posted October 28, 2023 Report Share Posted October 28, 2023 1 hour ago, Andy082005 said: What would everyone think if this was our next manager … We don't need a new manager thank you! Good of you to make such a positive contribution.... *****!!! 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zuni Posted October 28, 2023 Report Share Posted October 28, 2023 3 minutes ago, The Swan and Cemetery said: Think more that some teams have better players than us. It was like that before the injuries I feel also though. Just now with the missing first teamers it is more important to be at the absolute max tactically and to be more proactive rather than reactive, which sometimes I feel/felt we are not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Swan and Cemetery Posted October 28, 2023 Report Share Posted October 28, 2023 Just now, Zuni said: It was like that before the injuries I feel also though. Just now with the missing first teamers it is more important to be at the absolute max tactically and to be more proactive rather than reactive, which sometimes I feel/felt we are not. Not saying NP has outwitted every other manager this season, but as an example, switching things vs Cov seemed to work (but accept there’ll be other examples where NP has lost out, just not convinced he’s consistently losing the tactical battles). 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mozo Posted October 28, 2023 Report Share Posted October 28, 2023 5 minutes ago, GrahamC said: There’s no “allegedly”, he did. He also got Derby to the playoffs (for balance there he also spent a fortune that we now know Mel Morris didn’t have, in doing so), was memorably sacked by Birmingham when they were 7th & replaced by Gianfranco Zola who took them down the league at a rapid rate & was one of many to try & fail badly at Stoke. His Championship CV is decent but his football is pretty uninspiring. He’s certainly no Dean Holden type appointment though if it happened. Thanks for confirming. I got it off Twitter so didn't feel confident it was fact! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zuni Posted October 28, 2023 Report Share Posted October 28, 2023 4 minutes ago, GrahamC said: There’s no “allegedly”, he did. He also got Derby to the playoffs (for balance there he also spent a fortune that we now know Mel Morris didn’t have, in doing so), was memorably sacked by Birmingham when they were 7th & replaced by Gianfranco Zola who took them down the league at a rapid rate & was one of many to try & fail badly at Stoke. His Championship CV is decent but his football is pretty uninspiring. He’s certainly no Dean Holden type appointment though if it happened. He mostly has a good record of getting "more out of less". I wanted him over NP at the time. Not sure now though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zuni Posted October 28, 2023 Report Share Posted October 28, 2023 2 minutes ago, The Swan and Cemetery said: Not saying NP has outwitted every other manager this season, but as an example, switching things vs Cov seemed to work (but accept there’ll be other examples where NP has lost out, just not convinced he’s consistently losing the tactical battles). Coventry was a success for sure. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sleepy1968 Posted October 28, 2023 Report Share Posted October 28, 2023 38 minutes ago, Sheltons Army said: Ainsworth teams ‘often play good football’ Really ? Horrendous suggestion Whenever I think of him (and it's not often), I get a picture of Timotei shampoo in my head. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
milo1111 Posted October 28, 2023 Report Share Posted October 28, 2023 17 minutes ago, mozo said: Allegedly Rowett has achieved this with Millwall: 19/20: 8th 20/21: 11th 21/22: 9th 22/23: 8th I bet his budget was quite well into the bottom half as well 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sheltons Army Posted October 28, 2023 Report Share Posted October 28, 2023 7 minutes ago, The Swan and Cemetery said: Not saying NP has outwitted every other manager this season, but as an example, switching things vs Cov seemed to work (but accept there’ll be other examples where NP has lost out, just not convinced he’s consistently losing the tactical battles). As a big fan , I’m not sure NP is a tactical genius , nor an innovative coach He’s about values ,basics and Building a squad with togetherness , which has a team squad / mentality You can try and find the first , but the latter(s) may not be the same , and are as important as the former 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bearded_red Posted October 28, 2023 Report Share Posted October 28, 2023 He’d probably be crap at this level like every other manager under Sir Stephen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Popodopolous Posted October 28, 2023 Report Share Posted October 28, 2023 (edited) Incidentally I think any, any side possibly except Leicester would be adversely affected by the injury situation we have had this season. Even then once it gets to 10 and over outfield players possibly even Leicester would start to notice. For context and comparison I took a look at the Leicester squad. It would mean: 1) One of Justin and Pereira being out from August to present, the other joining him in mid to late September to present. (McCrorie, followed by Tanner). 2) One of Vestegaard and Faes being out from the getgo, perhaps the other joining him in mid to late September to present. (Atkinson, followed by Vyner). 3) Fatawu, Akgun and Mavdidi are talented wide players. Perhaps one of them out for the duration. (Benarous, let's say Agkun). 4) For best part of 2 months, perhaps two of Vardy, Ilenacho and Cannon out. Now just Cannon. (Initially Conway and Weimann were out for some time, now just Wells). 5) As they stack up, perhaps 2 to 3 of Winks, Casaedi, Ndidi, Praet, Mcateer, Dewsbury Hall plus the obvious of Choudhury. (Naismith, James, Williams and King). Doyle can play LB and CB (Roberts). Not saying we are on the same page even as Leicester, their quality and depth is massive but if you permed these out and over a long time period. Ipswich maybe a better comparison. It's not a perfect comparison but trying to imagine how some other sides and their progress may look if you replicate our injured. Edited October 28, 2023 by Mr Popodopolous 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zuni Posted October 28, 2023 Report Share Posted October 28, 2023 1 minute ago, Sheltons Army said: As a big fan , I’m not sure NP is a tactical genius , nor an innovative coach He’s about values ,basics and Building a squad with togetherness , which has a team squad / mentality You can try and find the first , but the latter(s) may not be the same , and are as important as the former Good point but I would suggest it is possible to have both skill sets. Securing the services of said coach is the tricky part obviously. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Full nelson Posted October 28, 2023 Report Share Posted October 28, 2023 (edited) How many pages are we going for!? Haha Edited October 28, 2023 by Full nelson Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cityboy1954 Posted October 28, 2023 Report Share Posted October 28, 2023 1 hour ago, Andy082005 said: What would everyone think if this was our next manager … Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edgy Red Posted October 28, 2023 Report Share Posted October 28, 2023 28 minutes ago, GrahamC said: There’s no “allegedly”, he did. He also got Derby to the playoffs (for balance there he also spent a fortune that we now know Mel Morris didn’t have, in doing so), was memorably sacked by Birmingham when they were 7th & replaced by Gianfranco Zola who took them down the league at a rapid rate & was one of many to try & fail badly at Stoke. His Championship CV is decent but his football is pretty uninspiring. He’s certainly no Dean Holden type appointment though if it happened. Controversial comment, but i have not been overly inspired by our style of football over the past 3 years and it could certainly be described as uninspiring too. Football is a results business and to be fair to Rowett, his record is pretty good. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Popodopolous Posted October 28, 2023 Report Share Posted October 28, 2023 (edited) 5 minutes ago, Edgy Red said: Controversial comment, but i have not been overly inspired by our style of football over the past 3 years and it could certainly be described as uninspiring too. Football is a results business and to be fair to Rowett, his record is pretty good. We've been in a huge rebuilding job for team, morale and financially. The football started IMO improving firstly around December 2021. The bottom was reached in the Autumn of 2021 in some ways, in other ways the early stages of NP in 2020-21. Some very enjoyable games last season and prior to the injuries starting to bite it's been decent this year. There are huge mitigating factors at play. Edited October 28, 2023 by Mr Popodopolous 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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