A more rational thread

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1 hour ago, Marina's Rolls Royce said:

Well- someone somewhere made part of that up. He was in a lowly position trying to learn his trade and certainly was not in a position to have histrionics.

The truth of the matter was that he just wasn't particularly good at his job and a pale and disappointing shadow of his father's ability and intelligence.

Christ! So that's spectacularly dim then...

[Capman]

3 hours ago, Jeez said:

A lot of the posts over the last 24 hours have got overblown. Hopefully we’ve slept on it & now have a bit more perspective.

NP brought a lot of positives but let’s not kid ourselves, he can be difficult, we’ve collectively scratched our heads about subs & tactics and if he can’t manage the owners than he isn’t dynamic enough for this particular club’s needs.

What we don’t know is how NP is received throughout the rest of the club & if he’s as hard to work with as his reputation suggests.

I’m incredibly grateful for what he’s done in clearing out the overpaid disinterested players & instilling the positive work ethic, team spirit. 

It was a brutal sacking given the availability. But football managers are well paid & they know the score. His contract will be honoured until end of the season, we all knew he wasn’t getting a new one, so this is probably makes sense to get the new guy started now before the Jan window opens. Especially if they had already started the process & found the right candidate.

There’s certainly more to it than we know & my gut is with the right appointment, squad depth & availability this group can kick on

 

 

The problem is it is almost impossible to have a rational discussion about this decision, when the decision is clearly not based on footballing matters. The board have been looking for an excuse to sack Pearson for some time because he has challenged their authority and criticised their actions (or lack of actions). Frankly if Jon does not have the balls to justify the position of the club with Pearson and the fans he is not fit to chair the board. 
So in some ways this is not about Pearson as such. It is about the state of the club. When you have a chairman and an owner who consider their ego more important than the future of the club the best you can hope for is mediocrity and more realistically an endless spiral of decline. Jon needs to go. It’s a simple as that and until he does I do not see how anything changes. He does not appear to have the managerial talent to do the job so needs to be replaced. 
It’s interesting to consider the parallels between this and the sacking of Steve Cotterill. He was another who was not prepared to follow the party line. 

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Some more balanced posts on here.  I wonder whether NP's managerial career might suggest he's really good at laying foundations, but less good at really getting the very best out of his squads.  There were lots of comments from Leicester fans about NP building the basis of Ranieri's title winning team.  Maybe we could be at a stage where we need our own Ranieri?  Whether that might be Eustace or Rowett is a different question.  But it sure as hell ain't Jones!

[Rocking Red Cyril]

I am not happy with the sacking. But results have been poor. But does SL really think that even with the first team fit all season the top six was possible ?

[Mr Popodopolous]

1 hour ago, red panda said:

Some more balanced posts on here.  I wonder whether NP's managerial career might suggest he's really good at laying foundations, but less good at really getting the very best out of his squads.  There were lots of comments from Leicester fans about NP building the basis of Ranieri's title winning team.  Maybe we could be at a stage where we need our own Ranieri?  Whether that might be Eustace or Rowett is a different question.  But it sure as hell ain't Jones!

I wouldn't say that's entirely fair. His sacking at Leicester was not due to results, I was excited at where he could take us with a bit of backing and seeing those players he had brought in and had come through develop under his impressive management.

The side were evolving.

Edited October 30, 2023 by Mr Popodopolous

[SecretSam]

4 hours ago, Jeez said:

Ok fair enough poor choice of words. 

mods - change “Rational” to “Balanced” not intending to wind anyone up on here just creating a channel discuss.

So we're unbalanced? Seriously

[Edgy Red]

4 hours ago, Fjmcity said:

Appreciate this thread as long as it stays within the boundaries of your title!

as with everything the truth always lies somewhere in the middle and people have to understand that you will never fully know the truth at each end of the spectrum to truly know that middle part

things we know

1. lansdown silence has been poor, to be MIA and only break cover to sack him feels wrong although find me a football club where the upper management is front and centre and you show me a badly run football club

2. Nige is combative - this is well known and at the end of the day this is a business. No matter how disgruntled you are you mouth off publicly against your boss, it’s not ending well. Chances are Pearson knew the situation, but was impatient and concerned for his own employment so went to the press.

3. David Rennie going too. Did the board have concerns on player management from treatment room to management which could have contributed to the injury crisis?

4. Pearson has done a good job with what he’s been given. But aren’t there still other clubs doing more on less? There is no real footballing culture at city, we are determined and dig in but my god, ask yourself - why does every goal we score feel like a forcep delivery of a 15ib baby? Couldn’t someone else maybe do better?

5. Scott money - clubs need to run sustainably, last time we spaffed transfer money we ended up in this position where we have to retain the Scott/semenyo money. Granted that was through letting Ashton loose with the finances and that is on the lansdowns but wouldn’t you rather they learnt from that?

6. this forum presents a microcosm of our fan base, maybe many who identify with nige and feel him hard done by. But don’t think for a moment he is thinking of us, it’s a job. Where was the support for him before? I go home and away and can’t remember hearing a chant for him. This is because he is functional, there is no impetus behind the team because we don’t play in a way that offers that. We are established championship, not underdogs and we need a little more football to believe in and get excited by.

Im curious to see what happens next, what I fear is the lansdowns have got themselves in a position where they can no longer do right for doing wrong and could be hounded out and it will be out of the frying pan into the fire..

 

 

Excellent post

[Superjack]

3 hours ago, Spike said:

Let's be honest, you're the guy who gets hit by a bus, Mrs cheats on him, kids go off with mum, cat goes and loves with another family, house catches fire and burns to the ground and then says "well at least I have my 1991 Ford Escort" aren't you? 

Pearson was the first man since I started supporting this club that was out spoken, honest and turned a terrible position into one of hope. The only other manager who stood up to the men at the top was Cotterell, who did amazing here and I think also lost his job due to the board wanting rid. Essentially in my 35 years of supporting this club they are the two main managers who have done well and been out spoken, only for the board to hate that about them so they've ham stringed them both to get rid. 

We could look forward and be positive but the truth of the matter is the only way we'll progress is by a manager coming in, being tactically strong, good at managing in all areas and being able to do it on a shoestring budget, all whilst making sure they kiss the boards ass and stay quiet when they're having to take the bring caused by that same board. If you genuinely believe there is a manager out there who can do all that then I am insanely jealous of your optimism because to me, that's a level of optimism I'll never obtain, especially as a City supporter. 

Nigel isn't the issue, sacking him fixes nothing, the issue are the people running this club and that is exactly why we have amazing facilities, a great stadium etc but still haven't managed to compete in this league without punching massively above our weight. The club is definitely being held back, but it's by those who seem unsackable, so they'll just keep sacking people when things don't go their way and we'll have to keep accepting it or we walk away from a club we love. 

Fantastic post. 

Sadly, I am not accepting it any more.