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1 hour ago, Robbored said:

Indeed - man management skills are as essential as tactical nouse.

From what I’ve seen of Rooney in various tv programs and other media he’s doesn’t strike me as someone I’d pay much attention to.

Pearson said that the City job would be his last in football 

I genuinely think he’s got the makings of a decent manager, but he’s done poorly at Brum, that you wonder where his next chance will be.

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1 hour ago, Robbored said:

After 15 games in charge 

What is it about top former England players can’t seem to be a successful manger?

Im thinking Gerrard and Lampard in particular 

I'm thinking Bobby Charlton and Bobby Moore.

 

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9 minutes ago, Redtucks said:

I'm thinking Bobby Charlton and Bobby Moore.

 

Tony Adams, Paul Ince, Sol Campbell, Alan Shearer

9 minutes ago, Redtucks said:

I'm thinking Bobby Charlton and Bobby Moore.

 

Tony Adams, Paul Ince, Sol Campbell, Alan Shearer

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In effect that means the impact on FFP is zero because if Rooney doesn't take a payoff it is a free hit in a way..save for any additional costs of sacking Eustace, and 2 months of Rooney and staff wage differential.

Either that or gross misconduct which can also mean zero.. :whistle2:

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2 hours ago, Dr Balls said:

Oh I don’t know about that. In 15 games he seems to have transformed the Birmingham team under Eustace that outplayed us in August into a useless relegation-threatened joke. I would suggest that’s quite some change!

Whilst on the face of it I’d agree, but what’s to say that Birmingham didn’t simply revert to type? 
We saw Preston have a record breaking start to the season and they’ve suddenly gone 2-1-7 in the last 10. 
Rooney is 2-3-5 (ie better than PNE). 

Lowe is still at Preston presiding over the worsening results. What’s to say Eustace wouldn’t have also slid off? We’ll never know. 

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9 minutes ago, Harry said:

Whilst on the face of it I’d agree, but what’s to say that Birmingham didn’t simply revert to type? 
We saw Preston have a record breaking start to the season and they’ve suddenly gone 2-1-7 in the last 10. 
Rooney is 2-3-5 (ie better than PNE). 

Lowe is still at Preston presiding over the worsening results. What’s to say Eustace wouldn’t have also slid off? We’ll never know. 

Not sure he'd have done quite as badly. May not have gained 1 point from home games v Rotherham and Stoke e.g... they were strong at home under Eustace.

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1 minute ago, Mr Popodopolous said:

Not sure he'd have done quite as badly. May not have gained 1 point from home games v Rotherham and Stoke e.g... they were strong at home under Eustace.

 But so were Preston during the same period Brum under Eustace were good. 
??? 

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Just now, Harry said:

 But so were Preston during the same period Brum under Eustace were good. 
??? 

I reckon they would have done better under Eustace, dunno by how much but keep it ticking along and confidence etc can grow.

Maybe they wouldn't have maintained 18 pts 11 games type levels, or especially 14 from 6 home games.

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Just now, Will Rollason said:

Talk sport contributor says Eustace is still on the payroll... common practise apparently...

Yep, in effect you can spread the payoff over time if you want.

Possible dual advantage is that if manager finds new job then you can (not always as it depends but can) stop paying them.

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18 minutes ago, Will Rollason said:

Talk sport contributor says Eustace is still on the payroll... common practise apparently...

Someone with a greater knowledge will know, but wasn't there a time where we were paying off three managers we had sacked?

Was thinking around the Stoke final season

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28 minutes ago, Mr Popodopolous said:

Yep, in effect you can spread the payoff over time if you want.

Possible dual advantage is that if manager finds new job then you can (not always as it depends but can) stop paying them.

Amoritisation? 

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7 minutes ago, phantom said:

Someone with a greater knowledge will know, but wasn't there a time where we were paying off three managers we had sacked?

Was thinking around the Stoke final season

It’s likely.

At the time of the Stoke game we were managed by the triumvirate headed up by Tony Fawthrop, who was made permanent but didn’t ever manage a game as full time boss as Wilson took over (compensation to Fawthrop). Preceding TF was Pulis who went to Pompey (no compensation to Pulis) who took over from Benny (time on contract left - compensation due) who took over from Ward (although he shouldn’t have as he threw his toys, compensation due)

So in the period from about October 98- July 00 we had 5 managers (including Wilson), three of which we were paying compensation to.

And as I’ve now mentioned several ex managers, I await the thread being moved accordingly.

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34 minutes ago, BS15_RED said:

This is why I never want Yanks to ever own our club.

Yeah, I bet the likes of Aston Villa, Wrexham, Portsmouth, Plymouth, Bournemouth, Liverpool and our friends from the weekend Millwall are all gutted about their American owners!

Such a blinkered view

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This for me was handled incredibly poorly.

1. Sacking a manager for “no fear football” only to drop from the playoffs to a relegation battle is incredibly clueless

2. A board member saying that you’re going to recruit in order to suit that style and therefore back Rooney and then sack him shortly after is utterly bizarre.

 

I agree with sacking him but the way it was handled was awful, interested to see who they get in next

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32 minutes ago, Mr Popodopolous said:

I reckon they would have done better under Eustace, dunno by how much but keep it ticking along and confidence etc can grow.

Maybe they wouldn't have maintained 18 pts 11 games type levels, or especially 14 from 6 home games.

Maybe not, we'll never know if course but I reckon it's unlikely. 

We often hear about how in the champ anyone can beat anyone else and what a tough division it is but really, apart from Ipswich on a roll after promotion, most of us could have guessed the top six as it is. 

Not to say that's how it will end and we amongst many others may make a run but broadly speaking the bigger clubs will come out on top over the course of a season by squad size/ depth if nothing else. 

Luton are an outlier though aren't they... and that's the magic of the play offs.. over 3 games all that goes out the window....😁

 

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3 minutes ago, Charlie BCFC said:

This for me was handled incredibly poorly.

1. Sacking a manager for “no fear football” only to drop from the playoffs to a relegation battle is incredibly clueless

2. A board member saying that you’re going to recruit in order to suit that style and therefore back Rooney and then sack him shortly after is utterly bizarre.

 

I agree with sacking him but the way it was handled was awful, interested to see who they get in next

Take a brave board to watch them slip into a relegation battle backing a man with his track record in management so far. Shame, I like him but maybe he needs to learn his trade somewhere?

 

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49 minutes ago, Charlie BCFC said:

This for me was handled incredibly poorly.

1. Sacking a manager for “no fear football” only to drop from the playoffs to a relegation battle is incredibly clueless

2. A board member saying that you’re going to recruit in order to suit that style and therefore back Rooney and then sack him shortly after is utterly bizarre.

 

I agree with sacking him but the way it was handled was awful, interested to see who they get in next

Guess we have something in common with them!

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40 minutes ago, Davefevs said:

Think Barton played in a win over Spain iirc 

Brought on for the last ten minutes, which was his one and only appearance for England.

I’m speaking from memory, but I think he might have replaced Lampard (or perhaps Rooney?).

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55 minutes ago, Bazooka Joe said:

Birmingham owners want “No fear, attacking football”.

Is that the same thing as the so-called “front foot football” that we’re not getting?

All just silly jargon.

Give me plain speaking a la Brian Clough or ………..(fill this in for yourselves!)

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1 hour ago, Bazooka Joe said:

Birmingham owners want “No fear, attacking football”.

Is that the same thing as the so-called “front foot football” that we’re not getting?

They hadn’t counted on all the attacking football coming from the opposition. ( an honourable exception being Liam Manning’s Threshing Machine) 

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1 hour ago, Bazooka Joe said:

Birmingham owners want “No fear, attacking football”.

Is that the same thing as the so-called “front foot football” that we’re not getting?

What Birmingham owners and Tom Brady wanted was " a name", that's the truth of it. Somebody needs to ask our Director of Football (he's the "main man" in charge of the football operation after all) how we turn our current squad of players into a front foot team - whatever that actually means. We seem to hear a lot of soundbites from the hierarchy with no "detailed" explanation ("see you in the Prem" on X being the latest nonsense). I'm sure if you went up to Liam Manning in the pub and said "why aren't we playing front foot football Liam?" he would give you a very reasonable response.........and possibly an abrupt two word response too if you caught him at a bad time!!

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1 hour ago, Bazooka Joe said:

Birmingham owners want “No fear, attacking football”.

Is that the same thing as the so-called “front foot football” that we’re not getting?

Sounds as though Rooney was happy to park the bus for a few games, get some points and build from there. No point in playing with no fear if you are going to get stuffed 4-0. Then the transfer window intervened.

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1 hour ago, Numero Uno said:

 I'm sure if you went up to Liam Manning in the pub and said "why aren't we playing front foot football Liam?"

I go to the pub to have fun.

It's one of my principles.

Rather have a pint with bloody Lee Johnson.

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2 hours ago, Numero Uno said:

I'm sure if you went up to Liam Manning in the pub and said "why aren't we playing front foot football Liam?" he would give you a very reasonable response.........and possibly an abrupt two word response too if you caught him at a bad time!!

I think he’d talk me through the process of ordering a drink, asking the barman to nearly pass me my whisky and complete the transaction before said barman then passed the drink back to the barmaid, who would then decant the drink back into the bottle before pouring it again and restarting the process. As I bemoaned my lack of drink, Liam would tell me not to get too emotional and then give me a history of whisky before apologising for overloading me with information. I’d then walk out of the pub somewhat dazed and having felt I hadn’t achieved anything, despite an xDrink level of 12 shorts. However, despite my lack of drink I could point to some fantastic stats in support of possession of my money, as I ultimately see the buying of a drink as cat and mouse and that’s the most important thing.

Or something like that.

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8 hours ago, Harry said:

Whilst on the face of it I’d agree, but what’s to say that Birmingham didn’t simply revert to type? 
We saw Preston have a record breaking start to the season and they’ve suddenly gone 2-1-7 in the last 10. 
Rooney is 2-3-5 (ie better than PNE). 

Lowe is still at Preston presiding over the worsening results. What’s to say Eustace wouldn’t have also slid off? We’ll never know. 

Isn't that what we have now done? Reverted to type. Despite us now being "well coached" 

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I reckon the FA have some sort of "cunning plan" to try and produce a young English manager to go on and lead the national team to world domination. 

Hence the on going recycling of the seemingly hapless Messrs Lampard, Rooney - and of course Johnson - at club level.

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1 hour ago, Silvio Dante said:

I think he’d talk me through the process of ordering a drink, asking the barman to nearly pass me my whisky and complete the transaction before said barman then passed the drink back to the barmaid, who would then decant the drink back into the bottle before pouring it again and restarting the process. As I bemoaned my lack of drink, Liam would tell me not to get too emotional and then give me a history of whisky before apologising for overloading me with information. I’d then walk out of the pub somewhat dazed and having felt I hadn’t achieved anything, despite an xDrink level of 12 shorts. However, despite my lack of drink I could point to some fantastic stats in support of possession of my money, as I ultimately see the buying of a drink as cat and mouse and that’s the most important thing.

Or something like that.

He sounds like my kind of drinking buddy 🤣🤣🤣

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1 hour ago, W-S-M Seagull said:

Isn't that what we have now done? Reverted to type. Despite us now being "well coached" 

Mmmm… your post smacks of ‘agenda’ 

We’re talking about Rooney. Plenty of other places for you to talk about NP vs LM. 
 

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https://www.theguardian.com/football/2024/jan/02/the-wayne-rooney-paradox-he-should-avoid-any-club-that-wants-him
 

Pretty much hits the nail on the head. Also could apply to our own previous “Marmite” manager, whose latest post was similarly short and unsuccessful.

And at least when JL etc sacked Pearson, we didn’t end up with either Lampard or Gerrard.

If anything, the current route to improvement appears to be to appoint a Basque coach (Emeri, Arteta, Iraola, Xabi Alonso). 

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8 hours ago, W-S-M Seagull said:

Just a sarcastic response to your previous "well coached now" digs at NP. 

But I didn’t have any digs at NP  

I stated in the Watford match day thread how well coached I thought the team looked that day and I gave a detailed explanation as to why. It wasn’t a dig at NP it was merely an observation of the way we pressed the opposition on the day, which I thought was very different to anything we’ve seen under any previous manager (not just NP) and was something which would have taken a lot of coaching into the players to make sure they did the right things at the right times.  

See page 29 ……

 

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6 hours ago, Dr Balls said:

https://www.theguardian.com/football/2024/jan/02/the-wayne-rooney-paradox-he-should-avoid-any-club-that-wants-him
 

Pretty much hits the nail on the head. Also could apply to our own previous “Marmite” manager, whose latest post was similarly short and unsuccessful.

And at least when JL etc sacked Pearson, we didn’t end up with either Lampard or Gerrard.

If anything, the current route to improvement appears to be to appoint a Basque coach (Emeri, Arteta, Iraola, Xabi Alonso). 

Barney Ronay makes a very good case with his usual humour. As he says, the enablers of Wayne and their kind are the real problem.

This bit made me laugh though:

Only last week Steven Gerrard could be heard urging the owners of Al-Ettifaq to finally get their wallets out or risk failing to maximise his own managerial brilliance. 😂

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16 minutes ago, Bedred31 said:

Thought Sky’s analysis hit a new low on Monday with Merson’s explanation  for Rooney’s failure, viz that ‘they’re not his players’. 

Merson speaks utter garbage when it comes to anything outside the premier league. His comment on us sacking Pearson was that it was understandable given the money we'd spent over the summer. Doesn't seem to be any accountability for saying things that are accurate or reflect reality in any way

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1 minute ago, cellist said:

Merson speaks utter garbage when it comes to anything outside the premier league. His comment on us sacking Pearson was that it was understandable given the money we'd spent over the summer. Doesn't seem to be any accountability for saying things that are accurate or reflect reality in any way

 

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45 minutes ago, Mr Popodopolous said:

Compensation for Rooney yet to be sorted apparently...is this the norm?

How does that work with standard payoffs, he signed a 3.5 year deal in an Autumn.

I know that full contract doesn't always equal full payoff but this could be interesting.

At its simplest, they can pay him off as per his termination clause, continue to pay him (for whatever period is stipulated, e.g. until he gets another club:

I don’t think there is a “norm” per se.

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2 hours ago, Bedred31 said:

Thought Sky’s analysis hit a new low on Monday with Merson’s explanation  for Rooney’s failure, viz that ‘they’re not his players’. 

Isn’t from overseas or someone they haven’t heard of so naturally the media back him like a mate .

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1 hour ago, Ronnie Sinclair said:

Mowbray the favourite now by the looks of it

A strangely logical choice.

Maybe they have realised sacking a successful manager & appointing a “name” really doesn’t work.

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53 minutes ago, Davefevs said:

Love Mowbray

👍🏻

46 minutes ago, W-S-M Seagull said:

I'd have had him here in a heartbeat if he was available whilst we had a vacancy. 

Very much fits the style we were briefed about. 

I’d  have been happy with him a few times 

 

 

Has done a ‘decent’  job at virtually every club.

( Not sure I’d describe his teams as front foot , WSM but they play good football 👍🏻)

 

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25 minutes ago, Sheltons Army said:

👍🏻

I’d  have been happy with him a few times 

 

 

Has done a ‘decent’  job at virtually every club.

( Not sure I’d describe his teams as front foot , WSM but they play good football 👍🏻)

 

I'm not a Tony Mowbray expert but from what I saw his Sunderland team had a controlled press and liked to get up the pitch quickly? 

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4 minutes ago, W-S-M Seagull said:

I'm not a Tony Mowbray expert but from what I saw his Sunderland team had a controlled press and liked to get up the pitch quickly? 

Tbf , I’m no expert either , and tend to watch games these days , with less concentration , unless it’s City or a particular player I fancy watching 

 Just a general impression with his teams over the years , decent football 

 

@Davefevs is probably the man to give us a more accurate view 

 

 

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