Nige

[cotswoldred2]

12 minutes ago, CliftonCliff said:

Afraid I have to agree. I've been a supporter since school days, over 60 years, and probably always will be, but I am drained of all optimism now and can't see that changing unless and until this lot bugger off. They've become a liability and a complete and utter bloody nightmare. 

Soooo who pays the bills? 

We are in a pretty good position compared with most other head banging owners....get a grip.

[shelts]

22 hours ago, Silvio Dante said:

Clearly nobody at AG has heard of the Streisand effect.

You don’t bring me flowers with Neil Diamond is such a lovely song . 

[Davefevs]

5 minutes ago, cotswoldred2 said:

Geez get behind the team and move on.

Why do you keep repeating things like this?

How many times are you told that everyone on here IS BEHIND THE FOOTBALL TEAM.

By all means keep defending SL if you like, but don’t use people’s moaning (justified or not) as a reason to trot out a lame retort that criticising the heirarchy means people aren’t behind the boys in red.

7 minutes ago, cotswoldred2 said:

Soooo who pays the bills? 

We are in a pretty good position compared with most other head banging owners....get a grip.

Who racked up the bills?

[cotswoldred2]

10 minutes ago, Davefevs said:

Why do you keep repeating things like this?

How many times are you told that everyone on here IS BEHIND THE FOOTBALL TEAM.

By all means keep defending SL if you like, but don’t use people’s moaning (justified or not) as a reason to trot out a lame retort that criticising the heirarchy means people aren’t behind the boys in red.

You sure about that because I see any loss just supports the view that Pearson should still be here....it's pretty obvious from matchday comments.

The hate figures are mounting up Steve, Jon, Tinnion, and of course Ashton Joey, Rishi, Rovers, I could go on...but one thing is clear you lot don't half bang on about stuff that has nothing to do with the team.

Anyway to repeat who would you have stump up £20m p.a to keep us solvent?

Edited January 1 by cotswoldred2

[cotswoldred2]

2 minutes ago, cotswoldred2 said:

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Edited January 1 by cotswoldred2

[Numero Uno]

2 minutes ago, cotswoldred2 said:

You sure about that because I see any loss just supports the view that Pearson should still be here....it's pretty obvious from matchday comments.

The hate figures are mounting up Steve, Jon, Tinnion, and of course Ashton Joey, Rishi, Rovers, I could go on...but one thing is clear you lot don't bang on about stuff that has nothing to do with the team.

Anyway to repeat who would you have stump up £20m p.a to keep us solvent?

What we would all probably like is a Matthew Bentham type. Spends the dosh, keeps the club afloat and ACHIEVES something. Unfortunately we don’t have that and so people, whilst appreciating the money Steve puts in, do wonder whether £200m could have been better spent. As fans we are entitled to ask that question whilst supporting the manager and the team. We are also entitled to question the way a manager who was an integral part of getting us out of a FFFP hole without getting relegated was fired then cancelled………whilst supporting the current manager who has had a very decent start and the team who always work hard.

It really isn’t one or the other. You can support and question at the same time.

[BCFC31]

18 minutes ago, Davefevs said:

Why do you keep repeating things like this?

How many times are you told that everyone on here IS BEHIND THE FOOTBALL TEAM.

By all means keep defending SL if you like, but don’t use people’s moaning (justified or not) as a reason to trot out a lame retort that criticising the heirarchy means people aren’t behind the boys in red.

Who racked up the bills?

Well said fevs

[Robbored]

16 minutes ago, Davefevs said:

Why do you keep repeating things like this?

How many times are you told that everyone on here IS BEHIND THE FOOTBALL TEAM.

By all means keep defending SL if you like, but don’t use people’s moaning (justified or not) as a reason to trot out a lame retort that criticising the heirarchy means people aren’t behind the boys in red.

Who racked up the bills?

Well……..Ashton immediately springs to mind……. 

That said I assume that SL signed off whatever MA spent.

Plus….wages are an enormous drain on income and why Nige had to reduce the wage bill and also why the likes of Semenyo and Scott were sold - mind you they both wanted to go and increase their wedge considerably so their departure was sweet and sour for the club.

[Davefevs]

10 minutes ago, cotswoldred2 said:

You sure about that because I see any loss just supports the view that Pearson should still be here....it's pretty obvious from matchday comments.

The hate figures are mounting up Steve, Jon, Tinnion, and of course Ashton Joey, Rishi, Rovers, I could go on...but one thing is clear you lot don't half bang on about stuff that has nothing to do with the team.

Anyway to repeat who would you have stump up £20m p.a to keep us solvent?

Could disagree more.  Most if not all people on here are smart enough to divorce the sacking of Nige from supporting the team on the day.  You appear to not be able to distinguish critique (win lose or draw) and jump to defend.

We bang in because it is relevant to the wider discussion our the football club.

Id rather the owner didn’t have to stump up £20m, or £30m had we not sold Antoine, by running it better…other clubs have achieved success in this division by running more effectively.  What a backhanded way of complimenting him.  Do you not have any critical analysis of the club, or do you just lap it up as “that’s the way it must be”?  I apologise that mine and others interest in the overall business means we don’t have the same view.

[Davefevs]

3 minutes ago, Robbored said:

Well……..Ashton immediately springs to mind……. 

That said I assume that SL signed off whatever MA spent.

Plus….wages are an enormous drain on income and why Nige had to reduce the wage bill and also why the likes of Semenyo and Scott were sold - mind you they both wanted to go and increase their wedge considerably so their departure was sweet and sour for the club.

I don’t even blame him…it’s collective blame, SL, JL, MA, LJ.

Its not wages / amortisation, it’s the rest of the cost base that does me.

We run a £35m business that costs £65m to run.  Who would Seriousky praise that, it’s effing bonkers.

+++++

FWIW I supported the idea of Bristol Sport - the operational bit (not the brand) - in terms of pooling resources to create operational efficiencies in the running of a multi-sport set-up, but I know from some who work there it is the opposite - inefficient and lacks accountability.

Edited January 1 by Davefevs

[petehinton]

24 minutes ago, cotswoldred2 said:

You sure about that because I see any loss just supports the view that Pearson should still be here....it's pretty obvious from matchday comments.

The hate figures are mounting up Steve, Jon, Tinnion, and of course Ashton Joey, Rishi, Rovers, I could go on...but one thing is clear you lot don't half bang on about stuff that has nothing to do with the team.

Anyway to repeat who would you have stump up £20m p.a to keep us solvent?

Breaking News: Man pays money required to fund thing he owns. 

[LondonBristolian]

15 hours ago, cotswoldred2 said:

Well that's inconvenient, doesn't fit the narrative on here.

No disrespect but I can’t help feeling you have either not read the thread or perhaps read it but not fully understood the point being made.

The point being made with Cotts was that, after he left and once LJ was in charge, there was very little mention or acknowledgement of his role in our promotion season.

However that was almost a decade ago. Managers have been and gone and a lot has happened, not least the outpouring of concern when Cotts was very ill two or three years ago.

In this case, a media company rather than the club have invited Cotts back but, even if the club did - which would not be a surprise at all many years later - it still would not be relevant to the question of whether Cotts’ role was acknowledged during the reign of his successor. Just as the club might very well invite Pearson back as a guest in 5 or 10 years time and it wouldn’t change the lack of acknowledgment now.

Edited January 1 by LondonBristolian

[Numero Uno]

2 minutes ago, Ghost Rider said:

The problem I have, is a little bit of what you’ve put here. Some people are acting like the £200m is their money! 
 

When Steve took us over, we were bumbling about in league one doing nothing except flirting with league 2. So we were EXTREMELY lucky that a billionaire bought us at all!! 

Steve has kept us afloat, has spent the dosh and has achieved something. We’re a solid championship club which is a million miles away from where we were. 

So basically what you’re say is, he’s not achieved the Premier League as quickly as we’d all have hoped? I agree with that, of course we’d like to have to there sooner, but football really isn’t that simple is it.

You really won’t get a safer pair of hands than SL and JL as they genuinely love this club and the City. JL is an actual supporter.

 

 

I agree it’s not my money which is why I appreciate so Steve spending his own dosh. Can’t argue with that. I think he could have done things differently and achieved a lot more. That’s my opinion as someone who has spent over 20 seasons watching what Steve has created. That’s not unreasonable imo.

I was responding to a poster who clearly believes you should not question anything and thank your lucky stars that Steve has spent similar to other owners (if not more tbf) and achieved less (also spent similar to others and hasn’t almost bankrupted the club too for balance).

I think Steve could have achieved more with his money, that’s my view as a supporter.

 

[ashton_fan]

15 minutes ago, Davefevs said:

I don’t even blame him…it’s collective blame, SL, JL, MA, LJ.

Its not wages / amortisation, it’s the rest of the cost base that does me.

We run a £35m business that costs £65m to run.  Who would Seriousky praise that, it’s effing bonkers.

+++++

FWIW I supported the idea of Bristol Sport - the operational bit (not the brand) - in terms of pooling resources to create operational efficiencies in the running of a multi-sport set-up, but I know from some who work there it is the opposite - inefficient and lacks accountability.

So how would you balance the books? Reduce the squad and wage bill further and risk being relegated? The only way to make money is to get to the Prem.

[Davefevs]

5 minutes ago, ashton_fan said:

So how would you balance the books? Reduce the squad and wage bill further and risk being relegated? The only way to make money is to get to the Prem.

No, firstly, i’d reduce a load of the other costs outside of the playing / coaching staff.  I’d recruit better too.  I’m not suggesting it being run at break even, but do you think it’s acceptable to run at an operational loss of £30m p.a. (£25m ish in a 12 month financial year)?  I don’t.  I think it’s shocking.  I think it’s wasteful.  Especially when the playing budget has been cut already.  What is the rest of the “empire” doing?

Because running at a £25m operational loss, hamstrings your playing capability, which is why we’ve struggled to kick on?

Don’t you have some semblance of critique for the way we e lost, and lost and lost, money?

[Natchfever]

1 hour ago, cotswoldred2 said:

Well according to most deluded on here SL has control over everything...but you believe the ridiculous smear campaigns ....and whilst were at it who the Hell is going to make good the operating annual losses?

But we have to have hate figures on here, but the irony is you get your knickers in a twist, witness recent history, I doubt very much SL has any bad feelings towards Nigel or any other past manager, but it doesn't stop the old wimmin tittle tattle...Geez get behind the team and move on. 

Using sexism in your post usnt a good look.

Must try harder.

[Natchfever]

26 minutes ago, petehinton said:

Breaking News: Man pays money required to fund thing he owns and the mistakes he continues to make.

Think you may have missed a bit Pete so have edited.

Hope you dont mind.

Edited January 1 by Natchfever
Typo

[ashton_fan]

4 minutes ago, Davefevs said:

No, firstly, i’d reduce a load of the other costs outside of the playing / coaching staff.  I’d recruit better too.  I’m not suggesting it being run at break even, but do you think it’s acceptable to run at an operational loss of £30m p.a. (£25m ish in a 12 month financial year)?  I don’t.  I think it’s shocking.  I think it’s wasteful.  Especially when the playing budget has been cut already.  What is the rest of the “empire” doing?

Because running at a £25m operational loss, hamstrings your playing capability, which is why we’ve struggled to kick on?

Don’t you have some semblance of critique for the way we e lost, and lost and lost, money?

We're not much different to other Championship clubs, the players wage bill dominates the accounts. It's not going to make much difference making a few admin staff redundant.

[JAWS]

10 minutes ago, ashton_fan said:

So how would you balance the books? Reduce the squad and wage bill further and risk being relegated? The only way to make money is to get to the Prem.

That's the bit that SL has failed to do. Can't bring himself to speculate the additional funds needed to get to the promised land and so the model is one of significant loss mitigated by significant player sales. The problem is relying on the latter, and even then the latter is unlikely to cover the loss. NP quite rightly publicly criticised this flawed model in the earlier part of his tenure. Unfortunately those comments weren't lost on the regime but in the wrong way ie. instead of taking heed of NP's comments, they were offended & it was probably one of NP's black marks. Unfortunately SL's ego continues to get the better of him

[Davefevs]

3 minutes ago, ashton_fan said:

We're not much different to other Championship clubs, the players wage bill dominates the accounts. It's not going to make much difference making a few admin staff redundant.

I’d suggest you take a better view of our accounts versus other clubs.

[ashton_fan]

3 minutes ago, JAWS said:

That's the bit that SL has failed to do. Can't bring himself to speculate the additional funds needed to get to the promised land and so the model is one of significant loss mitigated by significant player sales. The problem is relying on the latter, and even then the latter is unlikely to cover the loss. NP quite rightly publicly criticised this flawed model in the earlier part of his tenure. Unfortunately those comments weren't lost on the regime but in the wrong way ie. instead of taking heed of NP's comments, they were offended & it was probably one of NP's black marks. Unfortunately SL's ego continues to get the better of him

Surely if he speculates extra funds and the bet doesn't come off the accounts are in an even worse state? Isn't that what he tried with LJ?

[Sheltons Army]

4 minutes ago, ashton_fan said:

Surely if he speculates wastes extra funds and the bet doesn't come off the accounts are in an even worse state? Isn't that what he tried indulged in  with LJ?

Moral of the story , give all your money to a bluffer and you are likely to lose it 

Edited January 1 by Sheltons Army

[JAWS]

2 minutes ago, ashton_fan said:

Surely if he speculates extra funds and the bet doesn't come off the accounts are in an even worse state? Isn't that what he tried with LJ?

Then the cycle will just continue.....

Every time we have got ourselves into.a promising position we have gone for  cheaper options & spent funds inefficiently, like when LJ was in charge.

[Natchfever]

2 minutes ago, Sheltons Army said:

Moral of the story , give all your money to a bluffer and you are likely to lose it 

Ran out of likes

[JAWS]

SL blows hot n cold. He just doesn't blow hot enough! 

[ashton_fan]

13 minutes ago, Sheltons Army said:

Moral of the story , give all your money to a bluffer and you are likely to lose it 

Glad you know more about finance than SL, impressive 

[BrizzleRed]

1 hour ago, cotswoldred2 said:

Soooo who pays the bills? 

We are in a pretty good position compared with most other head banging owners....get a grip.

And who racks up the bills in the first place …… you aren’t Jon by any chance???

Edited January 1 by BrizzleRed

[pillred]

23 hours ago, Silvio Dante said:

This is one where the club don’t help themselves.

Including a picture or two of Nige who was manager for 10/12 of the year in a “year review” post would cost nothing, be sensible and had they done so, nobody would have commented. It wouldn’t have started a “we want NP back” movement which they maybe feared - but by omission, they’ve now drawn attention to their pettiness.

Clearly nobody at AG has heard of the Streisand effect.

The streisand effect? is that where the owners stick their big noses into everything :laugh:.

[Davefevs]

1 minute ago, pillred said:

The streisand effect? is that where the owners stick their big noses into everything :laugh:.

We got Richard Gould, not Elliott Gould!

[Bazooka Joe]

2 hours ago, Robbored said:

Audi alteram partem Latin for “llsten to the other side” It’s used in law as well with a slightly different phrasing “ no men should be condemned unheard”

I preferred my earlier (tongue-in-cheek) translation.

Venit super te reds.

 

[BrizzleRed]

30 minutes ago, ashton_fan said:

Surely if he speculates extra funds and the bet doesn't come off the accounts are in an even worse state? Isn't that what he tried with LJ?

Or alternatively, if you speculate the funds at the right time and we make the jump up, we could be well away.  

Money paying for itself, rather than being pissed down the drain, so to speak.

[Sheltons Army]

34 minutes ago, ashton_fan said:

Glad you know more about finance than SL, impressive 

I know not to give it to bulls****s

 

Sorry , if as a LJ lover it stings,,,,,,,,,

You lapped it and him up didn’t you 

Edited January 1 by Sheltons Army

[Mr Popodopolous]

It's not so much the other non football wages as the other costs tbh.

By which I mean non football costs..events do cost to put on but in 2021-22, 75-80% of wages were football.

Suppliers, outsourcing, energy efficiency maybe to name 3..do we get the best value here...

[exAtyeoMax]

Loan physio?

[ashton_fan]

8 minutes ago, Mr Popodopolous said:

It's not so much the other non football wages as the other costs tbh.

By which I mean non football costs..events do cost to put on but in 2021-22, 75-80% of wages were football.

Suppliers, outsourcing, energy efficiency maybe to name 3..do we get the best value here...

We maybe could save some money on those items you mentioned but it's not going to put much of a dent in our deficit surely? The major items on the balance sheet are player transfers and player wages.

[Mr Popodopolous]

3 minutes ago, ashton_fan said:

We maybe could save some money on those items you mentioned but it's not going to put much of a dent in our deficit surely? The major items on the balance sheet are player transfers and player wages.

Until the accounts for AGL and the club are out we can't analyse for sure.

Would have to look again in a bit of depth at 2021-22 across the piece and try to extrapolate. Events clearly cost to stage as well- rising energy costs will hit all clubs.

[sh1t_ref_again]

4 hours ago, Davefevs said:

I’d suggest you take a better view of our accounts versus other clubs.

Out of interest which clubs? I am interested as what a base level cost of being a championship team is

[Davefevs]

44 minutes ago, sh1t_ref_again said:

Out of interest which clubs? I am interested as what a base level cost of being a championship team is

Last years accounts, BCFC’s wages £23.8m were out of total costs of BC Holdings of £57.6m.  Even if we take Holdings wages (£30.8m) that’s a £25m+ gap to run the club.

Most clubs in the championship run more frugal “operations” than we do.  I appreciate AG do more stuff than just for City, but other clubs don’t see the necessity to run a cost operation like we do to be competitive in this division.

Coventry achieved the playoffs in £8m of “non wage costs”.  Luton got promoted on £7.3m of “non-wage costs”, Millwall up there until game 46 on £9m.

 

There are some bad examples, but we aren’t gonna measure ourselves against them are we…because everyone keeps saying how wonderful city are run.

I just happen to disagree!

 

[CliftonCliff]

6 hours ago, cotswoldred2 said:

 

An empty post. Congratulations. Spot on. That’s the most intelligent thing you’ve said all day.

[sh1t_ref_again]

18 minutes ago, Davefevs said:

Last years accounts, BCFC’s wages £23.8m were out of total costs of BC Holdings of £57.6m.  Even if we take Holdings wages (£30.8m) that’s a £25m+ gap to run the club.

Most clubs in the championship run more frugal “operations” than we do.  I appreciate AG do more stuff than just for City, but other clubs don’t see the necessity to run a cost operation like we do to be competitive in this division.

Coventry achieved the playoffs in £8m of “non wage costs”.  Luton got promoted on £7.3m of “non-wage costs”, Millwall up there until game 46 on £9m.

 

There are some bad examples, but we aren’t gonna measure ourselves against them are we…because everyone keeps saying how wonderful city are run.

I just happen to disagree!

 

Dave do you not have city in the same spreadsheet as the rest for easy comparison with the turnover as well

[Capman]

The culture of the club is rotten to the core. The thing is that the board seem oblivious to the fact that this kind of thing matters on the pitch. There are players who like and respect Nige, players he has encouraged and bought through. They will see how he has been treated and, however much they say it doesn’t, it will impact the way they think about BCFC. It tests their commitment to the club in a way which is beyond unnecessary. 
Staff will see it and it will change the way they do their job. They won’t want to take risks or challenge the club for fear they will be ‘cancelled’ and supporters will see it and they will fall out of love with the club. 
It’s childish, stupid and damaging but unfortunately it’s not a surprise. 

[Davefevs]

5 minutes ago, sh1t_ref_again said:

Dave do you not have city in the same spreadsheet as the rest for easy comparison with the turnover as well

Yes I do, but as I’d given the actual numbers in the text, I didn’t bother including them again.  Turnover is £29.7m

[Mr Popodopolous]

Other expenses of over £11.3m for the Football Club alone that season, not including Depreciation and Amortisation either..feels too high

AGL also making a pre tax loss that year even if a chunk of it deprecation that doesn't appear in the Club accounts should not be happening. That is a company that is or should be run bare minimum at breakeven.

Edited January 1 by Mr Popodopolous

[Mr Popodopolous]

AGL 2022.

[Colemanballs]

Why on earth has this been moved to the ex-players forum? Despite the title, the discussion is about the club and very definitely belongs in the main forum.

[Sir Geoff]

On 01/01/2024 at 01:32, Colombo Robin said:

Have enjoyed watching the games much more since he left. Thanks for the platform Nige which you indeed put well in place. 

Really !!!!

Which ones ?

Qpr, Borough,Norwich, Birmingham, Blackburn, Huddersfield or perhaps yesterday was the best of the lot.

[ExiledAjax]

On 01/01/2024 at 04:38, Colemanballs said:

Absolute twaddle. For starters, there is no statutory image right under UK law. None of the various methods used to try and enforce image rights (trade marks, copyright, passing off or performers rights) would prevent the club from posting online a photo in which they owned the copyright.

Who said anything about statutory IP rights, copyright infringement or anything else you list? I'm taking about contractual image rights.

These are often covered in a manager's contract and include (I'll paraphrase an actual clause from an EFL manager's contract) the right to use, in a club context, the manager's likeness in an electronic representation. For example a picture of him published on a club social media account.

That contract permits the club to use the manager's image during his employment. The presumption therefore is that when the employment ends so does the club's right to use the manager's image (unless a new or separate agreement is out in place).

If this is all twaddle then someone had better tell the EFL and all the footballers that they are waiting their time with image rights companies and agreements.

[Sir Geoff]

22 hours ago, ashton_fan said:

So how would you balance the books? Reduce the squad and wage bill further and risk being relegated? The only way to make money is to get to the Prem.

That's a myth. Show me a single Premier League club that doesn't lose money.

[Colemanballs]

4 hours ago, ExiledAjax said:

Who said anything about statutory IP rights, copyright infringement or anything else you list? I'm taking about contractual image rights.

These are often covered in a manager's contract and include (I'll paraphrase an actual clause from an EFL manager's contract) the right to use, in a club context, the manager's likeness in an electronic representation. For example a picture of him published on a club social media account.

That contract permits the club to use the manager's image during his employment. The presumption therefore is that when the employment ends so does the club's right to use the manager's image (unless a new or separate agreement is out in place).

If this is all twaddle then someone had better tell the EFL and all the footballers that they are waiting their time with image rights companies and agreements.

First of all, apologies for the use of the word twaddle. That was uncalled for.

I am right though. It's something I have to know about for my work. A person who is photographed has no rights to prevent the photograph from being used except in very limited cases that don't apply here. How do you think paparazzi get away with what they do? Image rights in the UK generally relate to merchandise for sale and are predominantly protected by use of the doctrine of passing off. 

If such a clause exists in manager contracts, I can only assume that it is some kind of "belt and braces" wording. If football contracts are anything like those in the entertainment industry, they will certainly contain a lot of language that is superfluous.

[red panda]

4 hours ago, Sir Geoff said:

That's a myth. Show me a single Premier League club that doesn't lose money.

Sorry to be boring, but broadcast revenues are so high that many PL clubs are profitable.  So it's not a myth.

This research paper is quite recent but only uses data from the 2021/22 season and the general picture has improved quite a lot since then (I'm sure other posters can elobarate).  Fig 4 shows seven clubs with a positive "adjusted EBIT" in that particular year.  

It doesn't show a similar table for Championship clubs, but you can compare Figs 2 and 3 which show wages as a % of income (or Figs 5 and 6 which also take account of amortisation) and these clearly show Championship club finances in a far worse state than PL clubs.  The authors note that "overspending on wages is a prevalent strategy in a league whose successful teams get promoted to the Premier League".

[Sir Geoff]

2 minutes ago, red panda said:

Sorry to be boring, but broadcast revenues are so high that many PL clubs are profitable.  So it's not a myth.

This research paper is quite recent but only uses data from the 2021/22 season and the general picture has improved quite a lot since then (I'm sure other posters can elobarate).  Fig 4 shows seven clubs with a positive "adjusted EBIT" in that particular year.  

It doesn't show a similar table for Championship clubs, but you can compare Figs 2 and 3 which show wages as a % of income (or Figs 5 and 6 which also take account of amortisation) and these clearly show Championship club finances in a far worse state than PL clubs.  The authors note that "overspending on wages is a prevalent strategy in a league whose successful teams get promoted to the Premier League".

Thanks, apologies if I don't read all of that. Interesting that Kieren Maguire is one of the authors. It is from Price of Football pod that I got my information, where Kieren constantly says that no Premier League clubs (except Spurs and Newcastle under Ashley) actually turn a profit.

Owners buy them to flip them for a profit a few years later. No one buys a non Premier club to make money and few succeed in the PL.

So the myth of us getting promoted and making a ton of money is a myth (Luton spent something like 20 million on ground improvements which would bite into any profit) unless we do a Norwich and go up, not spend a pound (except ground improvements to PL standards) and come back down. From a fans point of view what is the point and fun of that ?

[Mr Popodopolous]

I reckon Brentford will be turning a profit but time will tell.

£30m before tax in 2021-22..now that level won't be repeated, costs will have risen but so too did Prize money last year.

Brighton might owing to the huge sales and the rising League position.

Man United should but don't, Man City do these days but how much Commercial Revenue is pumped up.

Burnley were impeccably run prior to takeover, profits most years and a huge Cash Balance. A drastically reduced Cash Balance now for sure.

Liverpool usually do but maybe not that major.

Tottenham don't now or haven't in the last couple of seasons.

Remember too, are we talking Profit Before Tax or Cash Flow type positivity, in a sense profit.

[exAtyeoMax]

On 31/12/2023 at 14:51, BCFC31 said:

Apologies for another nige post but I noticed the Instagram post from the club recapping 2023 didn't include one photo of nigel in it! Yet manning is in there! Nigel managed this club for 10 months in 2023 for god sake. For me that's really distasteful! I am fully behind manning and like most I can see the improvements made on the pitch but pearson had given manning a very good platform in which to build from. He handed over a very committed close knit group of players and put some really strong foundations in place when quite frankly the club was on its knees, it was a total mess after the johnson and ashton era he is right when he said in his interviews " people won't recognise what we have done until I'm gone " it's a shame the club doesn't seem to respect or acknowledge the hard work he put into turning this club around from the bottom up with out pearson mannings prospects here would look totally different. Anyway happy new year all ! 

 

Some interesting Photoshop in there…

[Sheltons Army]

33 minutes ago, exAtyeoMax said:

 

Some interesting Photoshop in there…

Thanks for sharing Max

Made me laugh , slightly sad  but overall it just reaffirms that burning impression of what a top bloke he is

[Davefevs]

People person / pearson 

[spudski]

Get in Nige...love it. 

Clever, has class...can run rings mentally around our board. 

Wasted on a sub forum. 

[Dr Balls]

1 hour ago, spudski said:

Get in Nige...love it. 

Clever, has class...can run rings mentally around our board. 

Wasted on a sub forum. 

Could run rings around our media department too by the looks of that!

6 hours ago, Sheltons Army said:

Thanks for sharing Max

Made me laugh , slightly sad  but overall it just reaffirms that burning impression of what a top bloke he is

“Top bloke” captures him perfectly.

[Sleepy1968]

7 hours ago, Sheltons Army said:

Thanks for sharing Max

Made me laugh , slightly sad  but overall it just reaffirms that burning impression of what a top bloke he is

 

6 hours ago, Davefevs said:

People person / pearson 

Not sure I've mentioned this before, but my cousin is a volunteer driver for City, and drove Nige around a lot.

What he's said to family absolutely underlines what you two have said.

[bearded_red]

Such a ******* great bloke.

[redsquirrel]

definitely the best person ive met from bcfc,  for me,hes taken over from joe bryan who ive always rated as a persons person, the informal chats are so much better than talking twaddle about football.

[Charlie BCFC]

On 05/01/2024 at 12:55, exAtyeoMax said:

 

Some interesting Photoshop in there…

Didn’t even realise how cropped the one with Tinnions son looked! The Knight one with sandals is quality 

[Sir Geoff]

Lost this thread then saw it had been moved where no one looks :laugh:.

Nige looking very suave today.

[Sheltons Army]

Ross McCrorrie stating that NP sent him a really nice text message when he made his debut after his illness

 

Class , and unsurprising

[bearded_red]

What a bloke.

[redsquirrel]

ive been working for him this week, so far been an absolute pleasure