And Its Smith Posted March 17 Report Share Posted March 17 Money is too tight to mention round these parts so when we do spend it, we have to spend it wisely. With the blessing of hindsight can we really say we are where we need to be recruitment wise? To spend £10m on the below, is it good enough? Knight - £2m McCrorie - £2m Gardner-Hickman - £1.5m Mehmeti.- £1m Dickie - £800k Cornick - £500k Twine, Mebude, Stokes, Murphy - all signed for short or long term - circa £1-1.5m spent I’d guess. Seems a mixed bag at best to me Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
City1970 Posted March 17 Report Share Posted March 17 3 minutes ago, And Its Smith said: Money is too tight to mention round these parts so when we do spend it, we have to spend it wisely. With the blessing of hindsight can we really say we are where we need to be recruitment wise? To spend £10m on the below, is it good enough? Knight - £2m McCrorie - £2m Gardner-Hickman - £1.5m Mehmeti.- £1m Dickie - £800k Cornick - £500k Twine, Mebude, Stokes, Murphy - all signed for short or long term - circa £1-1.5m spent I’d guess. Seems a mixed bag at best to me Compared to income from players sold over the last five years, it definitely is not good enough. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lew-T Posted March 17 Report Share Posted March 17 I still think it’s early days on McCrorie. I like his intent though, he’s the one that’s always looking forward. Knight and Dickie have been good signings. The others though have been disappointing overall. TGH has showed glimpses but hasn’t done enough for me to be honest. It doesn’t help that we’ve got a coaching team that won’t release the shackles though… 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silvio Dante Posted March 17 Report Share Posted March 17 Depends. This is down the old hit or miss route. If you categorise them, I’d argue that Dickie and Knight have been undoubted successes. For Stokes and Murphy (and you missed Bird) you can’t say as they’re not even here, so I’d leave them out of any analysis. Jury out on McCrorie and TGH Mehemeti waste of space Two loans in January pointless Cornick I still maintain did the job he was brought into do as a squad player at that price. He wasn’t brought in to “improve” the starting XI So, of the permanent for me it’s two hits, two jury out, one undoubted miss and one arguable and I can see both sides. Could you spend £10m better? Probably. But if we’d spent £6m on Knight and Dickie it’d still be a good deal so overall I think it’s broadly ok. 8 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mendip City Posted March 17 Report Share Posted March 17 7 minutes ago, And Its Smith said: Money is too tight to mention round these parts so when we do spend it, we have to spend it wisely. With the blessing of hindsight can we really say we are where we need to be recruitment wise? To spend £10m on the below, is it good enough? Knight - £2m McCrorie - £2m Gardner-Hickman - £1.5m Mehmeti.- £1m Dickie - £800k Cornick - £500k Twine, Mebude, Stokes, Murphy - all signed for short or long term - circa £1-1.5m spent I’d guess. Seems a mixed bag at best to me Another (frightening) way of looking at it would be…. What’s that £10m worth today? How many have increased in value? How many have made no progress? How many are worth less? I’d suggest it’s not money well spent. The “trading” ain’t going well. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jose Posted March 17 Report Share Posted March 17 Coventry reaping the awards for investing well. Took a while to get going but doing well now. Oh to replicate that feeling they must of felt yesterday . Considering what we brought in, I’d say we’ve gone backwards but thank god for that nest egg. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sturny Posted March 17 Report Share Posted March 17 Am I the only one seeing these as good deals? Doesn't look like we over spent. 2m Knight and Dickie 800k are steals. Unfortunately we still need more quality, it's just not enough 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cole Not Gas Posted March 17 Report Share Posted March 17 14 minutes ago, Silvio Dante said: Depends. This is down the old hit or miss route. If you categorise them, I’d argue that Dickie and Knight have been undoubted successes. For Stokes and Murphy (and you missed Bird) you can’t say as they’re not even here, so I’d leave them out of any analysis. Jury out on McCrorie and TGH Mehemeti waste of space Two loans in January pointless Cornick I still maintain did the job he was brought into do as a squad player at that price. He wasn’t brought in to “improve” the starting XI So, of the permanent for me it’s two hits, two jury out, one undoubted miss and one arguable and I can see both sides. Could you spend £10m better? Probably. But if we’d spent £6m on Knight and Dickie it’d still be a good deal so overall I think it’s broadly ok. Perfect assessment with no disputes at all from me. As another pointed out 'trading' hasnt gone particularly badly recently though there are many ways of looking at it. Getting to B'ham very early yesterday a large group of us dissected exactly these players above and some felt Alexander rather than Pearson had messed up with Anis but an almost unanamous agreement with your view; - wow, that's unusual!. Fact is we miss Mark Ashton but 'Super Traderes' dont come along and we were lucky enough to have him for 6 years (apparenly JL over-ruling him by recruiting Pearson was the reason?). Since then with the after-affects of Covid, SL quite rightly not wanting to personally subsidize us as much as he has, and the market generally I'd add it has been hard to trade well so .."OK but great" would be my summary. And as for those jokers wanting to encourage others not to renew STs (dont even get me started), just think what kind of money we will have if we dont get ST money in early? For the genius who came up with that post, he was probably far, far too wise to even go to WBA, then advise to Constant Robin, is just do what you like, dont try to influence sheep with your stupid, financially naive ideas. BTW, I hear Reading are getting even closer to their final chapter this week so be careful what you want with replacing people who have played/watched more than most on this forum with people you've never heard of! 2 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bpexile Posted March 17 Report Share Posted March 17 33 minutes ago, And Its Smith said: Money is too tight to mention round these parts so when we do spend it, we have to spend it wisely. With the blessing of hindsight can we really say we are where we need to be recruitment wise? To spend £10m on the below, is it good enough? Knight - £2m McCrorie - £2m Gardner-Hickman - £1.5m Mehmeti.- £1m Dickie - £800k Cornick - £500k Twine, Mebude, Stokes, Murphy - all signed for short or long term - circa £1-1.5m spent I’d guess. Seems a mixed bag at best to me What's your thoughts on Sykes 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pongo88 Posted March 17 Report Share Posted March 17 32 minutes ago, Mendip City said: Another (frightening) way of looking at it would be…. What’s that £10m worth today? How many have increased in value? How many have made no progress? How many are worth less? I’d suggest it’s not money well spent. The “trading” ain’t going well. Another, another, way of looking at it is how much is Conway worth now? The longer he plays in this system the worse his goal scoring percentage gets. I’m sure other clubs will realise his potential but if he doesn’t sign a new contract in the summer he may be sold for a bargain (for the buying club) fee 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
W-S-M Seagull Posted March 17 Report Share Posted March 17 32 minutes ago, Jose said: Coventry reaping the awards for investing well. Took a while to get going but doing well now. Oh to replicate that feeling they must of felt yesterday . Considering what we brought in, I’d say we’ve gone backwards but thank god for that nest egg. To be fair tho their route to the semi final was Oxford, Sheffield Wednesday, Maidstone, Wolves. If they don't make play offs having spent circa 25 million plus wages then that has to be considered a failure. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
And Its Smith Posted March 17 Author Report Share Posted March 17 14 minutes ago, bpexile said: What's your thoughts on Sykes He was a free wasn’t he? Decent player. Same as Roberts, another free. Didn’t include as they cost nothing and the thread was about when we spend money. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redrascal2 Posted March 17 Report Share Posted March 17 54 minutes ago, And Its Smith said: Money is too tight to mention round these parts so when we do spend it, we have to spend it wisely. With the blessing of hindsight can we really say we are where we need to be recruitment wise? To spend £10m on the below, is it good enough? Knight - £2m McCrorie - £2m Gardner-Hickman - £1.5m Mehmeti.- £1m Dickie - £800k Cornick - £500k Twine, Mebude, Stokes, Murphy - all signed for short or long term - circa £1-1.5m spent I’d guess. Seems a mixed bag at best to me Still see what we spent on McCrory and compare it to money spent on Tanner and cannot understand why. Tanner seems a belter option. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sleepy1968 Posted March 17 Report Share Posted March 17 3 minutes ago, W-S-M Seagull said: To be fair tho their route to the semi final was Oxford, Sheffield Wednesday, Maidstone, Wolves. If they don't make play offs having spent circa 25 million plus wages then that has to be considered a failure. They lost their two best players, spent less on replacements (though a significant amount), and maintained the depth & quality of their squad. They're in the fa cup semi-final, so that's decent income, aside from the kudos and feel good factor for their fans. If they don't quite make the play-offs, at least they are there or thereabouts. Let's face it they are another team that have gone through hardship, and come out the other end better than us. We'll be meh at best until something dramatic happens. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Brent Posted March 17 Report Share Posted March 17 17 minutes ago, And Its Smith said: He was a free wasn’t he? Decent player. Same as Roberts, another free. Didn’t include as they cost nothing and the thread was about when we spend money. Free transfers aren’t ‘free’ It’s still us spending money 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Stone Posted March 17 Report Share Posted March 17 52 minutes ago, Jose said: Coventry reaping the awards for investing well. Took a while to get going but doing well now. Oh to replicate that feeling they must of felt yesterday . Considering what we brought in, I’d say we’ve gone backwards but thank god for that nest egg. Just been listening to a piece on the radio regarding Coventry which stated they are 18th in the Championship regarding budget Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jose Posted March 17 Report Share Posted March 17 1 minute ago, Mike Stone said: Just been listening to a piece on the radio regarding Coventry which stated they are 18th in the Championship regarding budget Really? I find that hard to believe. That said, makes our business and performance look even worse. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roe Posted March 17 Report Share Posted March 17 5 minutes ago, Mike Stone said: Just been listening to a piece on the radio regarding Coventry which stated they are 18th in the Championship regarding budget No chance. I would imagine though that their budget is somewhat comparable to what we had a few years afo 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
formerly known as ivan Posted March 17 Report Share Posted March 17 It’s not just the amount of money we spend, it’s the value for money we get. If we had spent £200k on a striker who scored 25+ goals a season, the amount we spent wouldn’t matter. Problem is we seem to have our pants pulled down paying over the odds for bang average players. McCorie was unlucky with his health, we will see next season if that was £2m well spent. Knight is a bit hit and miss for me. I think the amount of energy he put in earlier in the season is starting to show. The rest of the signings still have huge question marks against them with the exception of Dickie who represents the best value for money. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Stone Posted March 17 Report Share Posted March 17 3 minutes ago, Roe said: No chance. I would imagine though that their budget is somewhat comparable to what we had a few years afo Well they cashed in on Gyokees and Hamer for around £35 million and reinvested on Wright, Simms and four others for around £28 million give or take a few quid. Still hard to believe mind Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Popodopolous Posted March 17 Report Share Posted March 17 (edited) 20 minutes ago, Mike Stone said: Just been listening to a piece on the radio regarding Coventry which stated they are 18th in the Championship regarding budget Based on which year. If 2022-23 maybe but they've surely upped it somewhat this year. Then again Cardiff had a surprisingly oddly low wage bill last season..£14-15m on the the Football side and £22m all in if you can believe it. Mind you they did nearly go down. Edited March 17 by Mr Popodopolous Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Popodopolous Posted March 17 Report Share Posted March 17 The thread is meaningless in a sense without a start date. Okay I'm being a bit pedantic but are we going from Summer 2022 to present for fees only. Hence why no Tanner and Atkinson Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
And Its Smith Posted March 17 Author Report Share Posted March 17 30 minutes ago, David Brent said: Free transfers aren’t ‘free’ It’s still us spending money It’s a forum and the thread will move with debate. No issues if people want to talk about the frees as well 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bristol Rob Posted March 17 Report Share Posted March 17 I think the most staggering thing here is what almost £10mil buys you. It's quite underwhelming. It almost makes utility bills look like fair value. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Stone Posted March 17 Report Share Posted March 17 22 minutes ago, Mr Popodopolous said: Based on which year. If 2022-23 maybe but they've surely upped it somewhat this year. Then again Cardiff had a surprisingly oddly low wage bill last season..£14-15m on the the Football side and £22m all in if you can believe it. Mind you they did nearly go down. I did find it very strange when it was quoted, but as it was on the radio i naturally thought it would be this year Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Popodopolous Posted March 17 Report Share Posted March 17 Just now, Mike Stone said: I did find it very strange when it was quoted, but as it was on the radio i naturally thought it would be this year True. Journalists might have more of an idea of the present Accounts than us...struggling to square that circle. Quite a lot left in the summer too but will have been replaced with higher earners. Plus the fees etc. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
W-S-M Seagull Posted March 17 Report Share Posted March 17 21 minutes ago, Mr Popodopolous said: True. Journalists might have more of an idea of the present Accounts than us...struggling to square that circle. Quite a lot left in the summer too but will have been replaced with higher earners. Plus the fees etc. No way at all did Coventry have the 18th lowest budget last season. I'd also imagine that following their summer expenditure their wage bill has gone up quite considerably this season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrahamC Posted March 17 Report Share Posted March 17 Widely reported that McCrorie was £1m up front. Don’t think you can cherry pick & say I’m excluding free transfers like Sykes & James & then state “mixed bag”. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Stone Posted March 17 Report Share Posted March 17 10 minutes ago, W-S-M Seagull said: No way at all did Coventry have the 18th lowest budget last season. I'd also imagine that following their summer expenditure their wage bill has gone up quite considerably this season. Just now, Mike Stone said: Found on planet football, not sure how reliable that is mind Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
W-S-M Seagull Posted March 17 Report Share Posted March 17 2 minutes ago, Mike Stone said: Found on planet football, not sure how reliable that is mind Completely unreliable. I don't think Coventry have cut their wage bill by 8 million for this current season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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