downendcity Posted March 20 Report Share Posted March 20 3 hours ago, Silvio Dante said: Thanks for reposting. There is one comment on the thread that sticks out, and if anyone was in any doubt how much of a bollocks up Lansdown, Manning and Tinnion have made just read this: It's sad to read that post from only 6 months ago. I think if we are completely honest none of us expected NP to be here long term, and at the start of this season I expected that a combination of his age and health would mean him not wanting a new contract at the end of this season. With the work he'd put in, I anticipated that come the end of the season we'd be in a good position to attract a decent quality manager to take things on - perhaps being able to do things with the team that NP couldn't because of the financial constraints under which he was forced to work. It is increasingly looking like the club forcing Pearson's departure mid-season has been a massive own goal. Compounded only by the club now finding itself in a no win position, as if things continue to deteriorate on field then sacking Manning will only confirm the flawed decision to sack Pearson and appoint Manning. The danger of not sacking Manning is that it could well continue to unravel all the rebuilding work Pearson undertook in difficult circumstances. Unfortunately this could well turn into the latest version of City's one step forward, two steps back approach. Bristol City - proven exerts at clutching defeat from the jaws of victory! 8 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sir Geoff Posted March 20 Report Share Posted March 20 19 minutes ago, downendcity said: It's sad to read that post from only 6 months ago. I think if we are completely honest none of us expected NP to be here long term, and at the start of this season I expected that a combination of his age and health would mean him not wanting a new contract at the end of this season. With the work he'd put in, I anticipated that come the end of the season we'd be in a good position to attract a decent quality manager to take things on - perhaps being able to do things with the team that NP couldn't because of the financial constraints under which he was forced to work. It is increasingly looking like the club forcing Pearson's departure mid-season has been a massive own goal. Compounded only by the club now finding itself in a no win position, as if things continue to deteriorate on field then sacking Manning will only confirm the flawed decision to sack Pearson and appoint Manning. The danger of not sacking Manning is that it could well continue to unravel all the rebuilding work Pearson undertook in difficult circumstances. Unfortunately this could well turn into the latest version of City's one step forward, two steps back approach. Bristol City - proven exerts at clutching defeat from the jaws of victory! Fwiw I thought he would be here next season then hand the reigns over to Andy King and take a watching brief for 6 months or so. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
downendcity Posted March 20 Report Share Posted March 20 8 minutes ago, Sir Geoff said: Fwiw I thought he would be here next season then hand the reigns over to Andy King and take a watching brief for 6 months or so. Good point Geoff. IIRC going back there were a few posts suggesting that they could see King as a future coach/manager. Having said that I could also see accusations of "jobs for the boys" had that happened, given our track record e.g. BT and LJ. Given the way things are going, is it beyond the realms of possibility that we could Andy King in charge before the season is out, or would that smack too much of one of appointing Pearson's allies to TPTB and someone who would pick James, thereby triggering a contract extension? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted March 20 Report Share Posted March 20 50 minutes ago, downendcity said: It's sad to read that post from only 6 months ago. I think if we are completely honest none of us expected NP to be here long term, and at the start of this season I expected that a combination of his age and health would mean him not wanting a new contract at the end of this season. With the work he'd put in, I anticipated that come the end of the season we'd be in a good position to attract a decent quality manager to take things on - perhaps being able to do things with the team that NP couldn't because of the financial constraints under which he was forced to work. It is increasingly looking like the club forcing Pearson's departure mid-season has been a massive own goal. Compounded only by the club now finding itself in a no win position, as if things continue to deteriorate on field then sacking Manning will only confirm the flawed decision to sack Pearson and appoint Manning. The danger of not sacking Manning is that it could well continue to unravel all the rebuilding work Pearson undertook in difficult circumstances. Unfortunately this could well turn into the latest version of City's one step forward, two steps back approach. Bristol City - proven exerts at clutching defeat from the jaws of victory! I think a lot of us echoed @2015’s post. I think we also thought Nige would be succeeded by someone he had influence in choosing. FFS 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AppyDAZE Posted March 20 Report Share Posted March 20 (edited) 28 minutes ago, downendcity said: Good point Geoff. IIRC going back there were a few posts suggesting that they could see King as a future coach/manager. Having said that I could also see accusations of "jobs for the boys" had that happened, given our track record e.g. BT and LJ. Given the way things are going, is it beyond the realms of possibility that we could Andy King in charge before the season is out, or would that smack too much of one of appointing Pearson's allies to TPTB and someone who would pick James, thereby triggering a contract extension? King wouldn't stand a snowball in hell's chance of getting a job at BCFC. Being a Pearson bloke, he's already guilty by association in SL's eyes, and you can put everything you have on that. Manning's going nowhere for a long while and when he does, it'll be another nobody who gets the job. So depressing. Edited March 20 by AppyDAZE 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
downendcity Posted March 20 Report Share Posted March 20 1 hour ago, downendcity said: It's sad to read that post from only 6 months ago. I think if we are completely honest none of us expected NP to be here long term, and at the start of this season I expected that a combination of his age and health would mean him not wanting a new contract at the end of this season. With the work he'd put in, I anticipated that come the end of the season we'd be in a good position to attract a decent quality manager to take things on - perhaps being able to do things with the team that NP couldn't because of the financial constraints under which he was forced to work. It is increasingly looking like the club forcing Pearson's departure mid-season has been a massive own goal. Compounded only by the club now finding itself in a no win position, as if things continue to deteriorate on field then sacking Manning will only confirm the flawed decision to sack Pearson and appoint Manning. The danger of not sacking Manning is that it could well continue to unravel all the rebuilding work Pearson undertook in difficult circumstances. Unfortunately this could well turn into the latest version of City's one step forward, two steps back approach. Bristol City - proven exerts at clutching defeat from the jaws of victory! Of course, I've just realized that we already have a manager/coach who is able to do things with the team that NP couldn't! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2015 Posted March 20 Report Share Posted March 20 1 hour ago, downendcity said: It's sad to read that post from only 6 months ago. I think if we are completely honest none of us expected NP to be here long term, and at the start of this season I expected that a combination of his age and health would mean him not wanting a new contract at the end of this season. With the work he'd put in, I anticipated that come the end of the season we'd be in a good position to attract a decent quality manager to take things on - perhaps being able to do things with the team that NP couldn't because of the financial constraints under which he was forced to work. It is increasingly looking like the club forcing Pearson's departure mid-season has been a massive own goal. Compounded only by the club now finding itself in a no win position, as if things continue to deteriorate on field then sacking Manning will only confirm the flawed decision to sack Pearson and appoint Manning. The danger of not sacking Manning is that it could well continue to unravel all the rebuilding work Pearson undertook in difficult circumstances. Unfortunately this could well turn into the latest version of City's one step forward, two steps back approach. Bristol City - proven exerts at clutching defeat from the jaws of victory! The problem is we sacked him at the wrong time, then appointed a manager who is the total opposite to NP in every single way. This was against everything NP, Richard Gould and Curtis Fleming were striding towards whilst they were at the club. It was the aboves basically saying we want to rip all of that up and start a brand new approach, when all they had to do was keep NP here until the end of his contract and appoint a younger, but similar successor. It is so sad we have ripped up all the principles NP laid down over 2 and a half years for a 'modern' and 'emotionless' approach. 8 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
downendcity Posted March 20 Report Share Posted March 20 5 minutes ago, 2015 said: The problem is we sacked him at the wrong time, then appointed a manager who is the total opposite to NP in every single way. This was against everything NP, Richard Gould and Curtis Fleming were striding towards whilst they were at the club. It was the aboves basically saying we want to rip all of that up and start a brand new approach, when all they had to do was keep NP here until the end of his contract and appoint a younger, but similar successor. It is so sad we have ripped up all the principles NP laid down over 2 and a half years for a 'modern' and 'emotionless' approach. Not defending the club here, but I do think they were backed into a corner when NP started talking publicly about the fact that the club had not discussed offering him a new/extended contract - he was forcing their hand I am pretty certain that NP could be prickly and that his relationship with senior management could be less than easy ( his record at previous clubs seems to indicate this) and because of this I can easily see that it became increasingly unlikely that the club would not want to offer NP a new contract, despite, from fans' perspective, NP appearing to be the right man. As a consequence I can understand that a point was reached whereby something had to give - either NP walked or the club sacked him. Had Manning continued what we saw in the cup games against WHam and Forest and the game against Saints, then none of these threads would be happening. Sadly he didn't and they are, and will continue........................................... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wendyredredrobin Posted March 20 Report Share Posted March 20 8 hours ago, Sir Geoff said: Love your 6th word. Not according to your poster boy. Actually, you've put so many words into one sentence, you've outed yourself. You are Liam Manning. Not possible. He used the word 'passion'. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Original OTIB Posted March 20 Report Share Posted March 20 20 hours ago, Lrrr said: Steve Evans? Comparative age to Warnock at least... Doing a remarkable job at a tiny club. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Superjack Posted March 20 Report Share Posted March 20 23 minutes ago, The Original OTIB said: Doing a remarkable job at a tiny club. I honestly think that they would appoint Hannibal Lecter before Warnock or Evans. Here's hoping, anyway. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Original OTIB Posted March 20 Report Share Posted March 20 7 minutes ago, Superjack said: I honestly think that they would appoint Hannibal Lecter before Warnock or Evans. Here's hoping, anyway. Not advocating either, just observing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Superjack Posted March 20 Report Share Posted March 20 7 minutes ago, The Original OTIB said: Not advocating either, just observing. I'm advocating Lecter. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Original OTIB Posted March 20 Report Share Posted March 20 43 minutes ago, Superjack said: I'm advocating Lecter. Well he'd get rid of a few, certainly. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lrrr Posted March 20 Report Share Posted March 20 5 hours ago, Superjack said: I honestly think that they would appoint Hannibal Lecter before Warnock or Evans. Here's hoping, anyway. Evans and his assistant must be the most disliked manager/assistant in the top 4 leagues and not in a ‘I’d like them to be our manager’ way Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted March 20 Report Share Posted March 20 2 minutes ago, Lrrr said: Evans and his assistant must be the most disliked manager/assistant in the top 4 leagues and not in a ‘I’d like them to be our manager’ way Is he still with Paul Raynor? I recall reading Ben Smith’s book, and he wasn’t too complimentary either! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lrrr Posted March 20 Report Share Posted March 20 1 minute ago, Davefevs said: Is he still with Paul Raynor? I recall reading Ben Smith’s book, and he wasn’t too complimentary either! Yep still the pair of them Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Superjack Posted March 20 Report Share Posted March 20 27 minutes ago, Lrrr said: Evans and his assistant must be the most disliked manager/assistant in the top 4 leagues and not in a ‘I’d like them to be our manager’ way When I said 'hoping'... ... I meant for Hannibal Lecter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
harvey54 Posted March 21 Report Share Posted March 21 9 hours ago, Lrrr said: Evans and his assistant must be the most disliked manager/assistant in the top 4 leagues and not in a ‘I’d like them to be our manager’ way Brings back (shivers) memories of Pulis and Parsons Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nebristolred Posted March 21 Report Share Posted March 21 17 hours ago, downendcity said: Not defending the club here, but I do think they were backed into a corner when NP started talking publicly about the fact that the club had not discussed offering him a new/extended contract - he was forcing their hand I am pretty certain that NP could be prickly and that his relationship with senior management could be less than easy ( his record at previous clubs seems to indicate this) and because of this I can easily see that it became increasingly unlikely that the club would not want to offer NP a new contract, despite, from fans' perspective, NP appearing to be the right man. As a consequence I can understand that a point was reached whereby something had to give - either NP walked or the club sacked him. Had Manning continued what we saw in the cup games against WHam and Forest and the game against Saints, then none of these threads would be happening. Sadly he didn't and they are, and will continue........................................... This is a really good point, and I can certainly imagine our owner being shall we say.... sensitive to that prickliness. But ultimately being a leader or a manager in any situation means sometimes working with people who don't operate in the same way as you. Alex Ferguson treated Cantona spring to mind instantly. I always imagined it was more of a clash of personalities that caused NP's downfall. In fact it was likely inevitable given the lack of control our owners are happy to relinquish, the style of manager that we know the owners prefer to operate with, and the reputation that (to be fair) preceded Nige. But I guess the fans as a whole will never know the full story. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sir Geoff Posted March 21 Report Share Posted March 21 17 hours ago, downendcity said: Not defending the club here, but I do think they were backed into a corner when NP started talking publicly about the fact that the club had not discussed offering him a new/extended contract - he was forcing their hand I am pretty certain that NP could be prickly and that his relationship with senior management could be less than easy ( his record at previous clubs seems to indicate this) and because of this I can easily see that it became increasingly unlikely that the club would not want to offer NP a new contract, despite, from fans' perspective, NP appearing to be the right man. As a consequence I can understand that a point was reached whereby something had to give - either NP walked or the club sacked him. Had Manning continued what we saw in the cup games against WHam and Forest and the game against Saints, then none of these threads would be happening. Sadly he didn't and they are, and will continue........................................... As has been said on here many times NP only went public after ĥe had been asked to 'stand down' after the Leeds game early October last year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CiderJar Posted March 21 Report Share Posted March 21 On 19/03/2024 at 21:35, BrizzleRed said: I’ve always preferred Older Dinosaurs to Tedious Attention Seekers. Poor old Colin is both. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrizzleRed Posted March 21 Report Share Posted March 21 1 hour ago, CiderJar said: Poor old Colin is both. Guess so, though I’ve mellowed a bit towards Colin in my older years ….. probably due the painful lack of characters in the game now. Love him or hate him, he certainly doesn’t fade into the background. We’re well aware of the lack of character issue with Mr Personality Bypass Manning! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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