David Noble - Why?

[nedbcfc]

also agree with previous poster, suprised and disapointed that Orr came back in, nothing against Bradley however, I feel Wilson has done VERY well recently and didn't have the best of games on Right Wing. he's definately more of a Right Back than anything else.

although i can understand what you mean about leaving wilson in... bradley's performance last night proved why he was brought back in : one of our most consistantly good performers of the season!

[BITW]

Thought he had a really good game.

[Robbored]

Although Noble was ok, my judgement would be to get Lee Trundle in that position ASAP he is a striker and I'm sure he will have a go for goal and not try the fancy flicks like Noble tried.

You can't be serious!

Trundle has nowhere near the ability of Noble and despite Trundle having a few tricks Noble has the quicker feet.On many occaisions Noble dribbles his way out of trouble whilst Trundle gets disposessed far too often.

They are completely different players.

As for Nobles' 'fancy flicks' - its called 'vision' :noexpression:

[tin]

although i can understand what you mean about leaving wilson in... bradley's performance last night proved why he was brought back in : one of our most consistantly good performers of the season!

Tell me you're joking? He was dreadful last night. His passing, crossing, anything remotely technical is average to say the least but last night he was awful. Yeah, he's had a better season than most predicted, myself included, but he was poor last night to say the least. Sorry Bradley!

[Sparko]

Tell me you're joking? He was dreadful last night. His passing, crossing, anything remotely technical is average to say the least but last night he was awful. Yeah, he's had a better season than most predicted, myself included, but he was poor last night to say the least. Sorry Bradley!

Rubbish, Bradley was correctly brought back because he can actually read the game and make the tackles when needed. The Watford player got past him once all game.

Wilson touched the ball twice all game.

[dezgimed]

Tell me you're joking? He was dreadful last night. His passing, crossing, anything remotely technical is average to say the least but last night he was awful. Yeah, he's had a better season than most predicted, myself included, but he was poor last night to say the least. Sorry Bradley!

Eh?!

He was immense. Seriously, He won tackle after tackle after tackle.

What he's there for, not 40 yard pin point passes.

[Drew Peacock]

Eh?!

He was immense. Seriously, He won tackle after tackle after tackle.

What he's there for, not 40 yard pin point passes.

He's there for both.

Tackling spot on, far better defender than Wilson, carries the ball forward as well as Wilson, but terribly inconsistent distribution. GJ should keep him behind after training to work on his passing.

He should also ask Basso which side to put the ball when he takes penalties.

[zookeeper]

He's there for both.

Tackling spot on, far better defender than Wilson, carries the ball forward as well as Wilson, but terribly inconsistent distribution. GJ should keep him behind after training to work on his passing.

He should also ask Basso which side to put the ball when he takes penalties.

Isn't he meant to ask God?

[Bristol Boy]

What are others views on his performance tonight?

Better than Carle has been recently, but not great along with many others

VERY surprised he started tonight, and it's a LONG time since he started a game and tonight was his chance that he's no doubt been waiting for?

That's down to the manager and one of our problems is that quite a number of our squad have had very little first team football this season (Skuse, Murray etc)

Personally. I thought he was very poor, didn't look like a player will looking to fight for his place, some very sloppy passing, poor use of the ball and lost the ball on a number of occasions due to trying to overplay it and not playing the simple effective ball, plus never looked a threat at goal.

So about the same as our other midfield players at Leicester and last night then?

midway thought the 2nd half he did his standard disapeering act and was subbed not long afterwards?

Whereas Nick Carle was brilliant? Both players were crowded out of the game as soon as Watford went 4-5-1.How many poor games has Ivan Sproule played and still kept his place? Has Lee Johnson had a poor spell ever, yet retained his place?

To be honest, I'd be tempted to say he blew his chance of a cementing his place, that said if Johnson doesn't make a prompt return from injury, he could actually start on saturday?

TBH, I think you've got a real downer on the bloke

just MY view.....but what do others think?

I think he'll be in the team on Saturday, in the hole and if Plymouth go 4-5-1, we may well struggle again.LJ won't be fit and that's a shame on current form.

[tin]

Rubbish, Bradley was correctly brought back because he can actually read the game and make the tackles when needed. The Watford player got past him once all game.

Wilson touched the ball twice all game.

Maybe because he isn't a right winger and was being played out of position?

Eh?!

He was immense. Seriously, He won tackle after tackle after tackle.

What he's there for, not 40 yard pin point passes.

Fair point. He did well defensively but it's also his job as a full back to get forward too and every single time he lost the ball when in possession. It's all good winning the ball but you must know what to do with it once you've got it IMHO.

I like Orr, I really do. He clearly loves it at City and for that he gets my respect. I just think that Wilson had done very well there in his absence and after all that is his preferred position. He didn't do anything to be shunted around again and I don't think anyone will see the best of him unless he shakes off this utility man tag and to do that he needs a run in his rightful position. Orr was stupid enough to get himself sent off, again, and nobody should have a divine right to walk back into the side but that's just my 10p worth.

[Bristol Boy]

he did ok i thought first half. Mcindoe man of the match for me

I thought McIndoe's distribution got worse as the game wore on and this wasn't one of his better games.

Quiet first 20 minutes with the ball mainly in the air. Very good for the remainder of the game and still chasing down balls when subbed on 80 minutes so clearly fitness is improved. Much more effective in the hole than Carle on what I've seen and when Carle moved to central midfield the interplay between the two was great.

Correct

was driving me nuts with his flicks when he should be just going for the net. he lacks the pace to run on to Dele's flick ons and is too fancy when he needs to be direct.

get Byfield back.

Just like Saturday when we were completly awful and Byfield & Adebola didn't have a shot between them-Yep, that makes sense

Was anyone else thinking of Sproule playing in the "Noble" role playing off Adebola....

I can really see that working with the Arial ability of the and the pace of IS.

Thoughts?

Sproule's a headless chicken and has no clue how to play a a central striker-We tried it earleir in the season and he had a record number of offsides.Ring wing or out of the team and, TBH, he's struggling there.

Are you absolutely ###### mental?

Ah, well done, you spotted it!

I thought he was class until he got subbed off, he linked up well with mcindoe and adebola.

And Carle until Mr Negative swamped midfield

We are a better side when Noble plays - Fact.

Correct

Very Average. He keeps the ball well and helps us keep possesion very well, but some of his passing was poor, it's all very well having a player in that role, but it's no good if he's not being creative with it, and as an attacking player I see very little attack in Noble's play.

I agree that the player in the hole needs goals & assists.......so does GJ hence he dropped Carle.

He supposed to be playing a link role, and he links up with midfield well, but he didn't seem to link with Dele at all, who ended up just being isoloted alone up front, he did play better in the 2nd half with Carle however by then he was already tiring.

Noble didn't look any more tired than Carle or McIndoe when he came off.

With Johnson probably being out on Saturday going by GJ's comments, I think Carle will obviously start in the middle with Elliott, however who the front 2 are is still a case of Adebola + 1 for me, Noble didn't do anything to secure his place for Saturday and I wouldn't complain at all about seeing Brooker come back into the fold for the game.

May be worth a try and I we'll need Brooker for sure if Adebola's injured.

also agree with previous poster, suprised and disapointed that Orr came back in, nothing against Bradley however, I feel Wilson has done VERY well recently and didn't have the best of games on Right Wing. he's definately more of a Right Back than anything else.

RWB would be his best position and perhaps if we can't play 4-4-2 (and we can't) and 4-4-1-1 isn't working we could try that??

Although Noble was ok, my judgement would be to get Lee Trundle in that position ASAP he is a striker and I'm sure he will have a go for goal and not try the fancy flicks like Noble tried.

So why hasn't that happened all season? There are only eight games left!!

[Drew Peacock]

Isn't he meant to ask God?

Yes, but I suspect Basso seems to get good advice from him (or her, in this pc age!)

[old_man_terry]

To be honest, I'd be tempted to say he blew his chance of a cementing his place,

looks like despite the abuse against me following my feelings that Noble didn't play well against Watford.

Noble didn't get picked in the 16 today, perhaps GJ agreed with me?

(whether he should have or not is a whole different story and very easy with hindsight)

[cheshire_red]

I was taggered that he wasn't on the bench today, unless injured. With lee Johnson unavailable and carle therefore playing in his role we had no creativity on the banch which included two players who can only play on the right wing.

[MarcusX]

Well i cant believe Noble didnt make the bench today, he should have started

[CityMann]

Well i cant believe Noble didnt make the bench today, he should have started

Agree MarcusX, Noble should have been involved at some point IMO we needed someone to open up their defence.

[old_man_terry]

Agree MarcusX, Noble should have been involved at some point IMO we needed someone to open up their defence.

what? like he did against Watford?

[Kibs]

what? like he did against Watford?

Great comment. Nobody opened up the defence against Watford, not just Noble. Nobody opened up the defence against Leicester and NOBODY opened up the defence today. Are you blaming Noble for that aswell?

The point he was making is that he is somebody that CAN change a game and CAN create a goal or even SCORE one. Unless injured, he at least deserved a place on the bench today IMO.

[Rednready]

Two seasons back after our 9 game losing streak, GJ took us close to the playoffs with a midfield of Noble, Skuse and Russell. They worked very well together and we had Artus the wonder boy coming through.

Suddenly we had LJ and the careers of the above named came to a halt. During his 2 seasons with City, LJ has been fit but below average for half of his games. Since Carle's arrival LJ has lifted his game, I am sure he saw the probability of being replaced. As for the dead ball phenomenom, thats absolute bull, most downs league teams have a dead ball specialist, even now in my 60's I can drop a ball pretty much where I want to from the corner spot, no big deal, we Brits are raised to do it.

Noble may indeed not be the answer, but he deserves the chance of regaining the successful position he held prior to LJ's arrival. Skuse has gone from being sought by then higher clubs to barely making the squad. Artus has completely dissapeared. Elliot is running at about 70% of his early form

The midfield is the center of the engine, we need a rock and an attacker, with Elliot not performing at 100% and nobody else having been given the luxury of 2 seasons to cement the position, the midfield is a weak link...... A Weak Link......there's the message. Now I know GJ reads this stuff and I also know he takes notice of a handfull of posters.

I appreciate that he takes the time and is open to all opinions. We have the keeper and back 4 covered and the front men will perform better if we select the best midfield combination...... GJ, its up to you !

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[old_man_terry]

What are others views on his performance tonight?

VERY surprised he started tonight, and it's a LONG time since he started a game and tonight was his chance that he's no doubt been waiting for?

Personally. I thought he was very poor, didn't look like a player will looking to fight for his place, some very sloppy passing, poor use of the ball and lost the ball on a number of occasions due to trying to overplay it and not playing the simple effective ball, plus never looked a threat at goal.

midway thought the 2nd half he did his standard disapeering act and was subbed not long afterwards?

To be honest, I'd be tempted to say he blew his chance of a cementing his place, that said if Johnson doesn't make a prompt return from injury, he could actually start on saturday?

just MY view.....but what do others think?

Sorry to drag it up again, but his first start for a while and think my previous posting summed up his performance today, even worse that against Watford, he was just bloody dreadful today, how he wasn't subbed earlier in the game I'm not sure, especially considering how poor we were in the 2nd half and how we just couldn't keep possesion.

how many chances does this bloke need?

[fka dagest]

Sorry to drag it up again, but his first start for a while and think my previous posting summed up his performance today, even worse that against Watford, he was just bloody dreadful today, how he wasn't subbed earlier in the game I'm not sure, especially considering how poor we were in the 2nd half and how we just couldn't keep possesion.

how many chances does this bloke need?

Not that sorry though, I think some of the comments directed at Noble today were pretty sad, especially if we cast our minds back to the state of this club before he came in and added a touch of quality to our midfield. I heard some bloke shout "eff off Noble as he was subbed".

With regards to today's game, I thought he was fine, but not great. And in my opinion, much of our play in the first-half went through Noble, who's always looking for the ball and at least he tries to invent something - sometimes it comes off, sometimes it doesn't.

Personally, I thought McIndoe had a very poor game today and his final ball was very disappointing at times.

[old_man_terry]

Not that sorry though, I think some of the comments directed at Noble today were pretty sad, especially if we cast our minds back to the state of this club before he came in and added a touch of quality to our midfield. I heard some bloke shout "eff off Noble as he was subbed".

With regards to today's game, I thought he was fine, but not great. And in my opinion, much of our play in the first-half went through Noble, who's always looking for the ball and at least he tries to invent something - sometimes it comes off, sometimes it doesn't.

Personally, I thought McIndoe had a very poor game today and his final ball was very disappointing at times.

Is that Michael "1 assist, and played key role in first goal" McIndoe?

the club has moved on though since Noble joined, we were struggling in league one and now top of the championship, players come, and when they are no longer good enough, they go.

agreed, he was always looking for the ball, but constantly lost possession in key areas and just wasn't at the races today, personally I don't boo players at the games and don't condone it personally I try keep any negtivity on this forum, however I agree he was getting alot of stick during the game and even some ironic cheers when he was subbed, unfortunately though that doesn't help the team at all.

[fka dagest]

Is that Michael "1 assist, and played key role in first goal" McIndoe?

the club has moved on though since Noble joined, we were struggling in league one and now top of the championship, players come, and when they are no longer good enough, they go.

agreed, he was always looking for the ball, but constantly lost possession in key areas and just wasn't at the races today, personally I don't boo players at the games and don't condone it personally I try keep any negtivity on this forum, however I agree he was getting alot of stick during the game and even some ironic cheers when he was subbed, unfortunately though that doesn't help the team at all.

Yes, it is, but I'm not slagging off McIndoe, I like him a lot, I'm just stating some impression by way of a comparison.

If McIndoe makes mistakes we rightly accept them, but if Noble does well...

[Robbored]

Not that sorry though, I think some of the comments directed at Noble today were pretty sad, especially if we cast our minds back to the state of this club before he came in and added a touch of quality to our midfield. I heard some bloke shout "eff off Noble as he was subbed".

With regards to today's game, I thought he was fine, but not great. And in my opinion, much of our play in the first-half went through Noble, who's always looking for the ball and at least he tries to invent something - sometimes it comes off, sometimes it doesn't.

Personally, I thought McIndoe had a very poor game today and his final ball was very disappointing at times.

Noble was the main playmaker in the first half and some of his touches were simply sublime.He was City's best player untill the break.After that every City player seemed to lose thier confidence and Noble was no exception.

But anyone who can't see what a great footballer Noble is knows nothing about football.Its just his fitness that seems to let him donw.

[old_man_terry]

Noble was the main playmaker in the first half and some of his touches were simply sublime.He was City's best player untill the break.After that every City player seemed to lose thier confidence and Noble was no exception.

But anyone who can't see what a great footballer Noble is knows nothing about football.Its just his fitness that seems to let him donw.

there is no doubting that with the ball at his feet he can contro the ball and has a good first touch, but today even in the first half, he just constantly lost us possesion in both halfes, generally we get a decent 45mins and then a poor 2nd half until he gets subbed, today though even in the first half he just didn't create and show any sign of being an attacking threat.

[3012jack]

he did ok i thought first half. Mcindoe man of the match for me

To be honest I thought Mcindoe was our worst player by far, i cant remember him actually going past a player,in the second half he done his usual messing about and kicked the ball out for a goal kick to them, really non effective. as for Noble did OK.

[old_man_terry]

To be honest I thought Mcindoe was our worst player by far, i cant remember him actually going past a player,in the second half he done his usual messing about a kicked the ball out for a goal kick to them, really non effective. a for Noble did OK.

so apart from creating both goals today he was our worst player???

:noexpression:

[Ralph Milne]

To be honest I thought Mcindoe was our worst player by far, i cant remember him actually going past a player,in the second half he done his usual messing about and kicked the ball out for a goal kick to them, really non effective. as for Noble did OK.

what game were you watching?

[3012jack]

what game were you watching?

Are you his brother or something runs up his own $sshole,i was watching the same game as you?

[Ralph Milne]

Are you his brother or something runs up his own $sshole,i was watching the same game as you?

then get some glasses no way Mcindoe was our worst player