madmax Posted April 27, 2008 Report Share Posted April 27, 2008 Managed to get away from the Globe as some kids were winding up a guy we were with and I had my 15 year old nephew with me, so we didn't want any bother. Had a word with a copper outside and told him the story who asked his Sargent if we can leave and when I repeated the story, he said we can leave but stay away from pubs as the Sheffield fans wanted blood....so to speak! We walked around the corner and found a pub full off Sheffield Utd fans but families and older generation. It looked closed but when we got inside it was half empty and a great atmosphere. Had a nice time and was not bothered by anyone and likewise. Man, I'm getting old! We even stood and watched the convoy of city fans walk close by, which yes, I disagree with. I enjoyed the day and it was nice to see a great performance from the guys on the pitch, but have you seen so many ejected from the ground for little reason?!??!?!?!!?? MM Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Portland Bill Posted April 27, 2008 Report Share Posted April 27, 2008 The Police - especially the Yorkshire Police - have got an appalling reputation for corruption. Their actions - especially during 1984/85 - against Trades Unionists are infamous to this day...... In fairness, a lot of the Police who treated the miners like scum were bought in from other areas including The Met Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Popodopolous Posted April 27, 2008 Report Share Posted April 27, 2008 I do hope the club will follow this up, indeed how many games have our fans been lumped into one bracket away from home this season, any others? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tin Posted April 27, 2008 Report Share Posted April 27, 2008 I again recieved a positve impression of Sheff police. Myself and a mate arrived at train station was offered the pub over the road as a sanctury but decided that if the police were sending people in there that it would be busy and asked if we could just go to the ground, he said yes and pointed us in the direction of the ground. We ended up in a pub the Royal Standard nearer the ground full of City fans mixing freely with Sheff Utd fans with a good and friendly atmosphere free of police. On the way out I was expecting a Southampton forced escort but nothing materialised however there was a escort for those who wanted it. Yep, that's where we wound up as well. Luckily, we went took a minibus up and didn't get herded around like you often do when you go on the train. No hint of trouble from fans or OB and everyone was enjoying a pint in the sunshine which is how it should be. The amount of times, particulary this season, that I've had an away day ruined by them is far too high. Made a pleasant change not to be involved with the shite the OB dish out for once. The only encounter we had with them is when we Trundle was walking past the Police Escort after the game and we wanted to go out and congratulate him on his performance but a copper just told us to get back in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ecko Posted April 27, 2008 Author Report Share Posted April 27, 2008 I do hope the club will follow this up, indeed how many games have our fans been lumped into one bracket away from home this season, any others? QPR springs to mind Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Mosquito Posted April 27, 2008 Report Share Posted April 27, 2008 In fairness, a lot of the Police who treated the miners like scum were bought in from other areas including The Met Not ONE policeman was charged with any criminal offence during that Miners' Strike despite there being thousands of witnesses, photographs and film footage showing the police acting with reckless yet co-ordinated violence. Margaret Thatcher's description of miners and their Union as "The Enemy Within" was basically a green light for the police to become a political army which had the task of dealing with this working class 'Enemy'. The 'Enemy' were battered senseless and terrorised whilst the top ranks of the police congratulated the lower ranks on a job well done as the truncheons crashed down on the skulls of British Miners. Our police would do well to remember that those Striking Miners were our fellow countrymen not our 'Enemy'. Most of the criminalty and brutality by the police against those Miners happened in Yorkshire. In a country with a fair Criminal Justice System it would probably be the leaders of the Yorkshire police from that time - now comfortable in retirement at taxpayers' (our) expense that would be prosecuted first. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Popodopolous Posted April 27, 2008 Report Share Posted April 27, 2008 QPR springs to mind Yep, did I read somewhere Wolves there were issues, or was it Crystal Palace? Maybe it was neither though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ecko Posted April 27, 2008 Author Report Share Posted April 27, 2008 Yep, did I read somewhere Wolves there were issues, or was it Crystal Palace? Maybe it was neither though. Wolves definatly and Palace not as much. Also, Leicester. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tin Posted April 27, 2008 Report Share Posted April 27, 2008 The Police breed their own problems. They want to provoke pissed up people and others into a reaction so they can nick them and fill their quotas. The real troublemakers attached to club's will do their business elsewhere, away from the eye of this lot, so to treat the rest of us like this at the majority of away games is going to cause a backlash one day. All it takes is one of them to go a tad too far and something will happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tin Posted April 27, 2008 Report Share Posted April 27, 2008 Yep, did I read somewhere Wolves there were issues, or was it Crystal Palace? Maybe it was neither though. Wolves, Plymouth, Palace, QPR, Leicester, Cardiff and Sheff Utd (by the sounds of things) have all been marred by over zealous policing this season. That's far too many for my liking. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4eveREDDy Posted April 27, 2008 Report Share Posted April 27, 2008 Not ONE policeman was charged with any criminal offence during that Miners' Strike despite there being thousands of witnesses, photographs and film footage showing the police acting with reckless yet co-ordinated violence. Margaret Thatcher's description of miners and their Union as "The Enemy Within" was basically a green light for the police to become a political army which had the task of dealing with this working class 'Enemy'. The 'Enemy' were battered senseless and terrorised whilst the top ranks of the police congratulated the lower ranks on a job well done as the truncheons crashed down on the skulls of British Miners. Our police would do well to remember that those Striking Miners were our fellow countrymen not our 'Enemy'. Most of the criminalty and brutality by the police against those Miners happened in Yorkshire. In a country with a fair Criminal Justice System it would probably be the leaders of the Yorkshire police from that time - now comfortable in retirement at taxpayers' (our) expense that would be prosecuted first. Wapping Wharfe, another wako thon for the men in blue to practice, along with grosvenor square, and the poll tax demo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beezey Posted April 27, 2008 Report Share Posted April 27, 2008 Its not that the police can arrest for anything, anyone who has had the joy of reading a copy of Pace will know that an officer can arrest if he 'thinks' you may commit an offence. Basically he can say he believes that if you fail to join the escort into the ground you will go on to commit a public order offence. Trust me no copper signs up for football duty on a Saturday afternoon, not defending some of the more cocky police out there but the Majority just want the game to go off without a hitch and not get spat at or abused! I can promise you that most of them would rather be watching the game!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bartolona Posted April 27, 2008 Report Share Posted April 27, 2008 Luckily, we went took a minibus up and didn't get herded around like you often do when you go on the train. Our minibus was met by the police who then searched us all including women and kids looking for drugs and alcohol, they also had a look through our wallets and searched the bus. We've took a minibus to most match's this season, but with the over reaction of the police the last couple of weeks it doesn't seem worth the effort. Had a 14 mile escort into Stoke last week. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RSG3191 Posted April 27, 2008 Report Share Posted April 27, 2008 How hard would you like me to read it?. Complete and utter rubbish. They like to make a point at football matches of actually "getting in the way" just to try and antagonise people. If you havent seen that then you walk round with your eyes shut. The Police do NOT antagonise people! Its the FANS who do that to the Police! And, as you saying I walk around with my eyes shut, Crap! I am giving an opinion, you don't like it, don't read it! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RSG3191 Posted April 27, 2008 Report Share Posted April 27, 2008 OB in disguise. Plus, why do you use so many exclamation marks? And why do you post the same thing on two different threads!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ecko Posted April 27, 2008 Author Report Share Posted April 27, 2008 And why do you post the same thing on two different threads!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Because you didn't give me a response. Your posts are becoming very tedious Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
screech Posted April 27, 2008 Report Share Posted April 27, 2008 The Police breed their own problems. They want to provoke pissed up people and others into a reaction so they can nick them and fill their quotas. The real troublemakers attached to club's will do their business elsewhere, away from the eye of this lot, so to treat the rest of us like this at the majority of away games is going to cause a backlash one day. All it takes is one of them to go a tad too far and something will happen. It's the England fan syndrome, the idiots that follow our club have ruined it for the majority of genuine fans that just want to watch the football, we have a bad reputation, whether people like to accept that or not, it's a fact. Other clubs forums have mentioned this this season, liking some of our fans to be stuck in the 80's. Are you saying pissed up people at the games are more likely to have control over how they behave than a sober person who's job it is to control a large passionate crowd who have been drinking? There are bad apples in every walk of life, including the police, why give them a reason to arrest you in the first place. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BS3_RED Posted April 27, 2008 Report Share Posted April 27, 2008 Our minibus was met by the police who then searched us all including women and kids looking for drugs and alcohol, they also had a look through our wallets and searched the bus. We've took a minibus to most match's this season, but with the over reaction of the police the last couple of weeks it doesn't seem worth the effort. Had a 14 mile escort into Stoke last week. You should have refused them permission to search you. Random stop-and-search In general, a police constable may not search you without your consent in the hope that he will find something to justify the search. Nor may he search you to deter other people in the vicinity from carrying prohibited articles. There are, however, a number of situations in which `random' stop-and-search is lawful. The scope of random stop-and-search has increased recently, to the consternation of civil liberties campaigners. All these provisions require the authorisation of a senior police officer, and last for a limited time. The regulations governing the duration of the authorisation are complex, and depend on the seniority of the police officer giving authorisation, so I won't discuss them in detail here. In all cases you are entitled to a statement in writing showing the power under which the search was made and by whom it was authorised. If authorised by a senior police officer, for a period of 24 hours, a constable may search you and your vehicle for offensive weapons, regardless of whether he has reasonable grounds for believing that he will find any. However, the person who authorises the search must have reasonable grounds to believe that serious violence is likely to occur, or that weapons are being carried, in a particular locality [s60 CJPOA]. Again, the onus is on the authorising officer to show that his believe was justified. A constable may lawfully demand that you remove any item of clothing that he has reasonable grounds to believe you are using to conceal your identity. If authorised by a senior police officer, for a period of up to 28 days, a constable may stop and search any person or vehicle for anything that may be used in connection with terrorism [s43 TA]. This is a far-reaching power, and its use must be notified to the Home Secretary, who is empowered to cancel it. Although the constable conducting the search need not have reasonable grounds for believing he will find anything, the person authorising it must believe it to be necessary for the prevention of terrorism. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Popodopolous Posted April 27, 2008 Report Share Posted April 27, 2008 I put a link to this on a City thread on another board...guess what the person sadi, they said any actual evidence, how do we know it isn;'t just bitter football hooligans? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tin Posted April 28, 2008 Report Share Posted April 28, 2008 It's the England fan syndrome, the idiots that follow our club have ruined it for the majority of genuine fans that just want to watch the football, we have a bad reputation, whether people like to accept that or not, it's a fact. Other clubs forums have mentioned this this season, liking some of our fans to be stuck in the 80's. Are you saying pissed up people at the games are more likely to have control over how they behave than a sober person who's job it is to control a large passionate crowd who have been drinking? There are bad apples in every walk of life, including the police, why give them a reason to arrest you in the first place. No, not at all. I'm saying that the OB generally target the people who've had a few sherberts as likely arrests to fill their politcally correct, figure-driven quotas. I should know, I've worked for them as well as being caught up on in it on various occasions before. Unfortunately, if you go by train or like a drink or even don't wear official City colours away from home you're likely to be targetted by them. You make a good point about the reputation City have got this season, and that is a fact, but that's no excuse for them to be acting like they do. Being drunk on power is worse than the booze. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bringbacktherobin Posted April 28, 2008 Report Share Posted April 28, 2008 Its not that the police can arrest for anything, anyone who has had the joy of reading a copy of Pace will know that an officer can arrest if he 'thinks' you may commit an offence. Basically he can say he believes that if you fail to join the escort into the ground you will go on to commit a public order offence. Trust me no copper signs up for football duty on a Saturday afternoon, not defending some of the more cocky police out there but the Majority just want the game to go off without a hitch and not get spat at or abused! I can promise you that most of them would rather be watching the game!! Well that's a load of rubbish, what about all the special constables they draft in? They don't have to do it do they, they actually say they want to do it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CtyBird Posted April 28, 2008 Report Share Posted April 28, 2008 I know i'm going to be in a minority but I thought it was all handled in a sensible manner up at Sheffield. I have it on good authority that there has been a lot of trouble up there before recent games and to have an area segregated for our sole use makes good sense. You only need to see the way some of our 'followers' were behaving in the escort to understand why they do it....it was as usual particularly unpleaseant especially for those with children. Why people have the inability to listen with good grace to sensible orders & directions from someone who is there for your safety beggars belief. We were having friendly banter with the Police right along the route if you choose to try and escape the cordon to get 'involved' with the oppos fans you get what you deserve. By the way NickJ i saw you escaping the cordon with the old fella! Thanks for backing up what I was about to say Dave - I though that the policing was very good and as this was my first away game this season, mainly due to the fact that the majority of fans who go away I find to be both emabarrasing and moronic, that I prefer to stay at home. I was sat with quite a few who were more interested in winding the Blades fans up than watch the game. If any of these so called fans are rading this, give me advance warning and you can have my ticket money as I spend more time watching the back of your heads than anything else!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
garlicbread Posted April 28, 2008 Report Share Posted April 28, 2008 The Police - especially the Yorkshire Police - have got an appalling reputation for corruption. Their actions - especially during 1984/85 - against Trades Unionists are infamous to this day...... The Banksy canvas below reminds me of the piccie above.... and royally screwing up the Ripper investigation Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
garlicbread Posted April 28, 2008 Report Share Posted April 28, 2008 who else saw our very own Tommy Alford go into the Sheffield crowd and nick the young 'un who was winding us up, to the tune of " Tommy's going to get ya" ? Why was the chav nicked anyway? He was only recreating Gareth Hunt in the Nescafe adverts. Bit harsh I thought. (Funny though) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bcfc_kieran Posted April 28, 2008 Report Share Posted April 28, 2008 i was arrested after trying to help my friend who got smacked by a copper for no reason what so ever and i was trying to prevent him getting trampled on by fellow city supporters and police officers as a result of this i ended up in sheffield police station and he ended up in hospital becuase of it. my mother told the police officers that i recently broke my neck and they needed to take care wit how they handled me and they ignored my comments of being in serve pain! i have to be back in court on thursday the 8th of may and if i plead guilty I'm faced with being banned and if i plead not guilty then I'm faced with having to take more days off work and trael expenses getting to and from sheffield has anyone got any advice? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BCFC Grim Posted April 28, 2008 Report Share Posted April 28, 2008 The Police do NOT antagonise people! Its the FANS who do that to the Police! And, as you saying I walk around with my eyes shut, Crap! I am giving an opinion, you don't like it, don't read it! What aload of tripe. I didn't encounter any trouble with the police on Saturday but have done may times this season. I didn't antagonise the jobsworths, yet have been hurded around like cattle many times this season. They expect respect, yet don't give any. To think i used to want to be a copper The reason i chose against it was due to their behaviour i have encountered over the last few years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ribsbcfc Posted April 28, 2008 Report Share Posted April 28, 2008 i was arrested after trying to help my friend who got smacked by a copper for no reason what so ever and i was trying to prevent him getting trampled on by fellow city supporters and police officers as a result of this i ended up in sheffield police station and he ended up in hospital becuase of it. my mother told the police officers that i recently broke my neck and they needed to take care wit how they handled me and they ignored my comments of being in serve pain! i have to be back in court on thursday the 8th of may and if i plead guilty I'm faced with being banned and if i plead not guilty then I'm faced with having to take more days off work and trael expenses getting to and from sheffield has anyone got any advice? get yourself a good soliciter and plead not guilty as i said on here we were subject to missiles be thrown at us at derby a fair few years ago and i got band from all grounds in football league and non league for 6months for flickin the v sign at em think i wear mittens to match,s now (not really) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red Posted April 28, 2008 Report Share Posted April 28, 2008 i was arrested after trying to help my friend who got smacked by a copper for no reason what so ever and i was trying to prevent him getting trampled on by fellow city supporters and police officers as a result of this i ended up in sheffield police station and he ended up in hospital becuase of it. my mother told the police officers that i recently broke my neck and they needed to take care wit how they handled me and they ignored my comments of being in serve pain! i have to be back in court on thursday the 8th of may and if i plead guilty I'm faced with being banned and if i plead not guilty then I'm faced with having to take more days off work and trael expenses getting to and from sheffield has anyone got any advice? Plead not guilty, it is more likely they have nothing on you. It's down to them to prove your guilty of some offence. The cps will probably think it a waste of time and drop the case, (if you are telling the truth) I know this from it happening to me. Most coppers are bent! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Mosquito Posted April 28, 2008 Report Share Posted April 28, 2008 Wapping Wharfe, another wako thon for the men in blue to practice, along with grosvenor square, and the poll tax demo Another Thatcherist Police 'wakothon' springs to mind...... The 1985 Battle of the Beanfield eyewitness reports: Two of the few journalists who ignored police advice to stay behind the lines were Home Affairs correspondent for The Observer, Nick Davies, and ITN Reporter Kim Sabido. Nick Davies wrote the next day: "There was glass breaking, people screaming, black smoke towering out of burning caravans and everywhere there seemed to be people being bashed and flattened and pulled by the hair... men, women and children were led away, shivering, swearing, crying, bleeding, leaving their homes in pieces... Over the years I had seen all kinds of horrible and frightening things and always managed to grin and write it. But as I left the Beanfield, for the first time, I felt sick enough to cry." While Kim Sabido described the scene to the camera thus: "What we, the ITN camera crew and myself as a reporter, have seen in the last 30 minutes here in this field has been some of the most brutal police treatment of people that I've witnessed in my entire career as a journalist. The number of people who have been hit by policemen, who have been clubbed whilst holding babies in their arms in coaches around this field, is yet to be counted... There must surely be an enquiry." When the ITN news aired this segment, Kim Sabido's narration was removed, as were some of the more violent clashes from the footage. Photographic evidence..... A young lady left cowering under threat of Police baton while protecting a victim from further Police brutality..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tin Posted April 28, 2008 Report Share Posted April 28, 2008 i was arrested after trying to help my friend who got smacked by a copper for no reason what so ever and i was trying to prevent him getting trampled on by fellow city supporters and police officers as a result of this i ended up in sheffield police station and he ended up in hospital becuase of it. my mother told the police officers that i recently broke my neck and they needed to take care wit how they handled me and they ignored my comments of being in serve pain! i have to be back in court on thursday the 8th of may and if i plead guilty I'm faced with being banned and if i plead not guilty then I'm faced with having to take more days off work and trael expenses getting to and from sheffield has anyone got any advice? Definately plead not guilty. Did you give a statement? If so, what you say to them? What did they charge you with? You can actually refuse to accept any charges or caution's they want to impose on you and usually it won't go any further but it depends on what you say. I can recommend a bloody good solicitor who sorted me right out in court in Donny last year though he didn't come cheap, even if it was for less than 20 minutes work. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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