Silvio Dante

1 hour ago, Red Right Hand said:

I see the keeper that pretty much kept them up last season has got his dream move to a much larger, better supported and well run club.

Signed for Gillingham.

 

Don’t worry...they’re looking in the normal place for a replacement...

Gasfest

Fact is, notwithstanding rights, wrongs or wherefores, @bodin has now provided us with peak gas small time syndrome:

”You know that manager who was a legend for us - we think he might be good enough to be your assistant manager”

No words.

14 minutes ago, bodin said:

What evidence is that shows he's tactically lacking though? Is it his poor performance at Rovers in League 1 (for the last season)? If so why can't you say the same for Holden when he was at Oldham

In short, yes.

If you believe WAQ (stop sniggering) his budget was competitive. So he had opportunity to compete. He didn’t. He rode the crest of a motivational wave to go up from the conference (on pens) and L2 (in the 93rd min of the last game). When he got to a level that wasn’t enough, even with the budget (if you believe WAQ), he failed.

I don’t recall any of your fans proclaiming Clarke as a great tactician - they loved him because he galvanised the fan base - nothing wrong with that, but when that wasn’t enough, he wasn’t good enough.

As for vs Holden - DH took charge on a temporary basis (with all that entails) after LJ left for Barnsley and was in role for c3 months, reverting to assistant afterwards. Not sure how that’s comparable to 18 months in charge at L1 level with full control, but I’m sure you can enlighten us

Tbf, Clarke clearly has *something*.

Looking at it on an unbiased point, he was sold a pup (which he probably enjoyed) by Ward but motivated the r*vers enough to then get two successive promotions, in addition to his Salisbury success. Undoubtedly struggled in league one though, maybe in part due to lack of funds.

What I see in him is an ‘old school’ motivator manager. I don’t recall the g*s waxing lyrical about the football under him and when he got to a level where “us against the world” wasn’t enough and he needed tactical acumen, he crapped out.

So, @bodin, ignoring the Dean Holden piece (assistant coaches need different skill sets from head coaches), what makes you possibly think a top six championship side would want a man who shouts a lot but has no tactical skills?

(And w*nks off dogs. Just for the record).

I disagree that if he did come here the blue few would melt down. They’d love it, bask in the reflected success and claim “we couldn’t have done it without DC”. Which shows where they are.

So, in summary

- Good non league and L2 manager

- Good motivator

- Tactically lacking

- Inept at higher levels

- Tosses off Spaniels.

Its a no from me

Finally (it’s late)

When your open bus tour

Attracts a crowd of four

Thats the Rovers

When your fan base is dense

And your grounds made of tents

Thats the Rovers

When you’re driven to Wembley 

By Alan from Nailsea

You’re the Rovers

Damn - I’m late to this...!

When you steal all your grounds

And your ex boss **nks Hounds

Thats the Rovers

When your owners no dosh

But he has a nice watch

Thats the Rovers

16 minutes ago, Icelandic Clap said:

Wasn't that shown live on the Beeb if memory serves and Mark Bright bemoaned how crap 'Irene' was? Not to mention the sag who gave the anchor wave at a passing camera, causing the commentator to profusely apologise. Good old family club strikes again

On a related note (it may be an urban myth) but it’s my understanding that in the BBC Radio commentary of the Tinnion>Liverpool game Alan Green commented on the lines of...

”Bristol Rovers of course played here in the FA Cup a couple of seasons ago. What was it they were singing...Come On Eileen?”

Even their anthem is forgettable dirge.

4 minutes ago, Banjo Island said:

Oh dear cancdl the coaches lads

@Robbored - FYI

(Old ones are the best...)

The great thing about this game is that as a chance for Sunderland to reach Wembley whatever the result it’ll feature prominently on season 2 of “Sunderland til I die” on Netflix and the gas will be shown worldwide as the tinpot outfit they are.

Now imagine SAFC get 3 or 4 up in the second half. Forever in posterity, from Kansas to Kuala Luampa the gas fans will be seen crying.

Warms the cockles.

I can think of at least one member of the Rentaghost household who wouldn’t be happy with the gas coming to visit...

(and it’s not the one that looks like Gary Penrice)

1 minute ago, RumRed said:

I’m not sure I understand.  He was Cardiff’s player therefore what has anything got to do with his old club?  Genuine question.

I think Dave means Nantes suing Cardiff for breach of contract if they don’t make the payment

There are a few angles here now about legality and morality.

- Irrespective of what the insurance was/wasn’t, Cardiff bought Sala and agreed the fee. They owe Nantes the money come what may, unless Nantes agree to write some/all off. Cardiff wouldn’t have been relying on insurance to pay the fee so have to pay

- However, it’s undoubtedly morally wrong for Nantes to start making legal threats (if that is the case), when ES hasn’t even been confirmed as dead yet and with the plane rescue ongoing. That’s terrible form.

- Again, though, we don’t know what obligations Nantes have to meet which they have scheduled from the fee. They may well need the money and are being leaned on by other people.

This would have been better served and everyone better off had this particular aspect not been played in the media. But legally, I’d say Cardiff have to meet the obligation and should probably do so and sort the insurance out later.

On the subject of insurance, I am very unconvinced that this will pay out - and I’m sure the insurers will resist. If the pilot didn’t have the appropriate licence or the plane wasn’t licenced for passengers (as mooted), any insurance firm will look to use it as a get out - again, not morally right, but I see this being majorly fought.

What I think will be the ultimate outcome here is Cardiff having to pay the full fee and ES’s contractual obligations, with no insurance paid out and then seeking civil recourse against the agent/aviation company.

Bottom line remains though there is a family at the end of this (well two families) who have lost a loved one and looking after them should be both clubs primary concern at the moment as opposed to fighting this out in the media at this point

4 minutes ago, BCFC11 said:

I’m fairly certain it’ll be down to whoever is in control of the vehicle be it a car/plane or whatever, if there is any blame to attach, not saying it’s the pilots fault here btw, in most businesses nowadays it is down to whoever is operating a machine to carry out the correct checks and inform the relevant persons of any defects etc, so don’t think the blame can be laid at the agents door.

Oh indeed - there is no way I would expect the agent to check the plane. It’s more a matter of legality. If he’s the representative who has to ensure the player is delivered and is found to have tried to do that via a sub standard means legally he would be at fault. Not saying morally right, but legally, he’d be gone after.

Either way, I think I’ve said enough about legality and the liability here and the important thing is Sala so I’ll call a halt to that aspect of it here 

1 minute ago, spudski said:

As you say...never a good time to ask...but others will be doing the same behind the scenes so to speak.

I think a lot more will come out of this....especially the ownership and registration of the plane, as their seem to be conflicting reports.

For what it's worth...no pilot is going to fly a plane if it's not airworthy.

Agree.

I think the question here, and the one that’s been bugging me since yesterday, is that if you wouldn’t fly a £30m Renoir/Van Gogh etc on that plane in those conditions (as nobody would), why would you fly a £30m (when wages included) asset? (Or, indeed, anyone).

This is why I see this going a (protracted) negligence route - as long as they look after the family while that’s being sorted, that’s the important thing

29 minutes ago, spudski said:

Not sure there is ever a right time to ask about this...but I've never been able to find an answer.

What happens with the contract signed?

The contract was signed between his prior team and Cardiff. Irrespective of the tragic event that’s happened, he’s Cardiff’s player so they’re liable for both the full fee and the wages - unless the player was guilty of gross negligence 

 

Do Clubs insure against such a thing?

Ish. All players will be insured against “loss” to the club, but there will be “due care” clauses. The best example I can give here is that footballers aren’t allowed to ride motorcycles in view of the prospect of injury, so any insurer would also not be happy and refuse to pay if they thought due care hadn’t occurred to cause the “loss”

Is there a clause in the contract?

 

Do relatives receive the contract total?

These kind of both go together. The relatives would get “death in service”, which in view of the short contract length would only be akin to the value of the wage over the contract (and in normal circumstances would be covered by insurance), but in the case of negligence which would invalidate the insurance, this wouldn’t happen.

 

Guess it's a personal contact that are all different and agreed between agent, Club and player. Everyone being different.

I guess it would also come into FFP rules as well.

Complicated...

Sorry if this seems inappropriate...but when is there a right time?

Spud - answered to the best of my knowledge above. Inherently, he’s Cardiffs player and would be insured against “loss”, which would cover both the clubs losses and wages to the family over the contract course. However, for that insurance to be valid, no “negligence” on the players (or on the players representatives part) to cause the loss can have occurred.

My gut feel - there is a case that the representing agent has been negligent by proxy (as the aircraft may not have been appropriate for the “asset” and conditions). Therefore Cardiff’s insurers may not pay and they may have to pursue the agent (if the report that it’s his aircraft is correct) to obtain compensation akin to the insured level.

None of this removes this being a tragedy, but as you say, never a good time to ask or answer 

9 minutes ago, RumRed said:

Unfortunately if you’re a geek being a redshirt isn’t something you’d want to be.

Likely to be shot/eaten/abducted/disintegrated while the captain looks on impassively.

To be fair, that does sound like an accurate description of Marlon in a good chunk of this season...

4 minutes ago, slartibartfast said:

Where is this letter from Dopey, can't seem to find it...........................could do with a good laugh !

I see Henbury is once again displaying the literacy expected of a top notch businessman

The “sadist” day in the clubs history? Surely every day is a “sadist” day when you indicate you support that lot and have to put up with the world looking at you like you’re some kind of freak...

I’m willing to bet Darrell will take “Full Responsibility” for that. And then blame the players for the next 10 minutes..

On another note, today is National “talk like a pirate day”.

All round my office, people have been saying how they’d hate to work for a better, more successful company, claiming they’ve not been punching horses and ruminating on the attractiveness of terriers.

Every time I ask for a sodding spreadsheet to be completed, I just keep getting told “these things take time”.

Its getting right on my tits....

1 hour ago, JulieH said:

Not retiring yet !

pc Thomas is also a police spotter but to my knowledge has not taken over my role! 

Pc Thomas was dealing with incident being reported by henbury gas and visited him with me.

not sure who this message is from as I have checked my e mail at 1800 and not had one .

 

 

But....

But....

This means Henbury is not always truthful...

I now remember how I felt when I found out Santa wasn’t real

17 minutes ago, Red Right Hand said:

Oh I don`t know. It shouldn`t take long for 5.5k fewers to trudge out after yet another home spanking and then the 15k or so Bucks Fizz fans could start rocking up at about 6.

The biggest problem would be making sure the horse punchers didn`t take over half the car park with their caravans.

I think you’ll find the Rovers fans would stay for the Fizz concert

If only to listen to “The Land Of Make Believe”....