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18 minutes ago, Robbored said:

I definitely don’t buy that. Why do you suppose that professional footballers sometimes produce sons with the same natural skills if there’s no football DNA?

The Lamapards and the Redknaps are two obvious examples. The Hately’s are another. I’m sure that there are others throughout the game. 

Sometimes. Exactly. Pros will possess a better understanding of the disciplines which they can share with their sons. Role model and education is not DNA.

Do you believe the Brazilians possess a different DNA to produce so many expressive players? Do the Italians possess a defending gene? There is not a football gene. 

You have provided a magnificent example of how intense practice leads to success and the creation of talent leading to skill in Frank Lampard. Lampard was unathletic and his father put him through an extreme training regime. He had no normal childhood. The training was intense, integrated and internalised to a degree where Lampard became an outlier, his shoulder checking for instance is a result of that training leading to greater vision/peripheral vision. He subconsciously does tasks without thinking due to his thousands of hours of training tasks. Its nurture.

Just now, Robbored said:

Top players can hone their skills for sure but to become as quick footed as Jacki was most of that would been natural ability. He was born with it. Probably didn’t have to practice much either.

Same with JET and Tomlin.

No human comes out of the womb with a natural abilty to play with a football. There is no football dna. None. Footskill is developed by extensive intense practice of the involved motor skills creating muscle and neural memory. The greater the practice and its intensity, the more enlarged the memory, the more myellination occurs.

Just now, Robbored said:

Andy Cole was always going to move on and whoever was the CEO when he went to Newcastle failed to put a sell on clause in the deal. He then went to Man Utd for mega bucks………

When it comes to skills two other names are worth a mention - JET and Tomlin, both matched Jacki’s skills but JET in particular was just as lazy. At least Tomlin ran around a bit.

JET under Cotterill was required to hold a shape. He did this in the team successfully to possibly the detriment of his football but still contributed goals and assists. 

Tomlin. Err Lee Johnosn brought in extra coaching staff like Micheal Meaker to work with him. They worked  on things like team shape. A wasted investment in time and investment. The player was not interested in team, or the running in training or on match day. 

Dziekanowski and team shape. Not interested. Shapes were the glasses in Racks. Cracking bloke off the pitch though.

13 hours ago, Kid in the Riot said:

He was just before my time. Was he really head and shoulders in terms of ability above the likes of Noble, JET and Tomlin? All three had incredible natural ability but also never delivered on a regular basis. I feel the highlights reel from those three may exceed Jacki, but could well be wrong. 

Interested to know your opinion.... 

The abilty isn't natural. Players create their talent by practicing for thousands of hours. Dziekanowski must have practiced intensely to develop his talent. But ability is a skill where a player can perform a skill on demand. Dziekanowski at Bristol City became unskilled and unprofessional. He made Tomlin look workmanlike. He lacked the abilty to perform anywhere near the level his peers did. 

Was he head and shoulder above? No. Ability is delivering. Ability is passing a ball ten feet to feet not flicking it and losing possession of the ball 50% (and far more) of the time. 

Dziekanowski had a degree of freestyler about him. JET can certainly go through the same but left it where it belongs. Dziekanowski's rainbow flick and volley .. It missed. Most of what he did was utterly ineffectual. 

Romantic v the time (Osman) but a waste of talent. He had a handful of great/good games and a majority where he was a disniterested passenger. Hardwork beats talent when talent doesn't work. BCFC had to play with ten with Dziekanowski on the pitch.

Just now, Hampshire Red said:

One of our best for many years. we shouldntforget he was also one of our best defenders and if people dont think this is important then consider what flint meant to us and also what Baker (if he lasts 10 mins) could be for us.

Anyone watching Afobe closely at the Den would realise we have let some good uns go, even if the club could do little about it at the time

Hope he is now sending lots of Senegal Francs back to his villagers

No the player was not. If you want to compare stats he was no higher performing than another centre forward doing the same zonal marking task. 

The player did entirely differing tasks to Flint. 

Defending as making tackles, pressing, interventions, interceptions x recovery the player was poor. That is called defensive tactical intensity. DTI = Below average. The player was inept at defending from the front.

On 24/09/2021 at 09:08, Robbored said:

The most lucrative sponsorship goes to those clubs that get the most TV exposure so the likes of the Manchester clubs, Liverpool, Spurs, Arsenal and other PL clubs who of course have the biggest wage bills but how much of their income comes from sponsorship I have no idea.

Obviously they get vast amounts from Sky which is largely why these clubs can afford such massive salaries but match tickets are still hugely expensive - that’s if you can any.

It’s the clubs down the pyramid that would suffer the most if sponsorship was banned per se rather than just alcohol and betting companies. It would become a catch 22 situation for them 

 

 

That was not an answer to either of the questions with respect. As footballs income has increased the cost of attending has increased. BCFC Income has increased significantly over seasons (pre covid) and so have ticket prices. Income has increased and so has BCFC's wage bill by 100% +. 

The value of shirt sponsorship in keeping ticket prices down v the above is non existant.   

1 hour ago, Robbored said:

There would be a significant loss of income to professional football clubs if that ever happened and to recoup that loss ticket prices would have to go even higher and it would us fans that pay up.

Banning betting and alcohol advertising throughout the industry makes perfect sense tho.

How much does shirt sponsorship gain for BCFC? Can you identify how sponsorship keeps ticket prices down?

The most lucrative sponsorship deals are not linked to clubs with low ticket prices.

2 hours ago, Mike Stone said:

A vile chairman who is moving a football club away from its community. Telling people how green he is and then expecting people to travel to JCT 13 of the M5 to watch their team play.

The same chairman who says he wears what clothing he wants and nobody will tell him any different but expects people to eat the food he tells them to eat, bloody hypocrite.

Forest Green Rovers just a marketing tool for Ecotricity and Stale Mince.

Yes your right I dont like him.

I have met him via a acedemy side playing v FGR and Mr Vince welcomed the players, coaches and parents to FGR.  

Mr Vince also conducted a Q&A session with staff for visitors. He was polite and humble. One of the topics they covered was nutrition. They do not tell people what to eat. They outlined the benefits of vegan food. The health benefits are obvious. Their U teams certainly are not vegan .

Mr Vinces marketing tool has a expanding academy beyond normal expecations v the size of FGR and is investing in development centres for kids ... Hardly a club with its heart in the wrong place. 

Preferred their old kit v that green striped mutant thing.

1 hour ago, pongo88 said:

It’s all very well say SL didn’t need to sell Ashton Gate for £20m as it’s not your money. He was planning to spend far more building Ashton Vale than he subsequently spent redeveloping Ashton Gate (Ashton Vale budget approx £92m v Ashton Gate redevelop approx £50n). Although he’s a millionaire (billionaire?) he was entitled to recover some of the costs of moving grounds. I can’t imagine any football club owner who, if they we’re planning a ground move, would ignore the prospect of recouping £20m by selling the old ground 

The point was Mr Lansdown made assertions. Assertions that were not true and balanced. As another poster points out he was not going to be out of pocket. 

4 minutes ago, CyderInACan said:

That all seems like a lifetime ago now, doesn't it. So glad we stayed at AG - and with the new redevelopment it should be even better and an huge asset for BS3. 

Yes. And its turned out well. And turning into a very well. Move on. Forget silly grudges. The commercial department clearly have. Grow the asset and in this case with local business. A good thing.   

8 minutes ago, pongo88 said:

 

George Ferguson didn’t object to City moving to Ashton Vale, he objected to a Sainsbury’s supermarket being built at Ashton Gate. He proposed some other development, but never actually offered to buy the ground to facilitate thus development. He’s now one of the people objecting to Bristol Zoo selling its current site for housing to enable it to move to Cribbs Causeway. Again, he likes an alternative option for the site but isn’t actually putting up any cash. He’s full of “brilliant” ideas as long as someone else pays 

Many in BS3 objected to the superstore. Mr Lansdown did not need to sell Ashton Gate to Sainsburys for twenty million pounds. Mr Lansdown has spent tens of millions of pounds more redeveloping Ashton Gate. It was a spurious claim - A few bad signings and wages over seasons and City make plenty of those. 

10 hours ago, Bs4Red said:

I never once said it’s a coaching point. I said what I enjoy is there tactical side of the game.

I agree about the resources but that doesn’t mean if it wasn’t available it wouldn’t be changed. 

I disagree with the last statement, women are gifted with a different skill set even in football to men, honing in on those would improve the women’s game and at the county development levels they certainly don’t train the same way as the men, from experience of some CPD events I can tell you that for a fact. 

Every aspect of coaching has the four corner model in mind, none of these work alone and therefore none is more important than the other. 

Having worked in some academies and watched the way clubs work, I can assure you they base a lot of their football for youngers on smaller pitches and almost all their game related training is on pitches 3/4 the size of the one they play on.  

 

You are making points about coaching using links to coaches and mentioning standards - These will with respect apply to coaching. The lack of resources would affect standards of coaching and opportunity. Its hard to see how doing something that would be highly impractical would equal improvement.

10 hours ago, Bs4Red said:

I disagree with the last statement, women are gifted with a different skill set even in football to men, honing in on those would improve the women’s game and at the county development levels they certainly don’t train the same way as the men, from experience of some CPD events I can tell you that for a fact. 

 

I do not understand your point. I posted something like females playing on the same sized pitches makes logical sense. It makes sense because there are not the resources to do otherwise.

10 hours ago, Bs4Red said:

Every aspect of coaching has the four corner model in mind, none of these work alone and therefore none is more important than the other. 

 

 

Yes. And corners overlap. All corners overlap with the psychological. Age related phases are based on understanding humans have. The coaching at the foundation stage should be technical and fun because kids brains are not developed enough to understand the tactical or complex.

10 hours ago, Bs4Red said:

 

Having worked in some academies and watched the way clubs work, I can assure you they base a lot of their football for youngers on smaller pitches and almost all their game related training is on pitches 3/4 the size of the one they play on.  

 

I have not said anything different. Coaching methodology will mean and should that training takes in many forms - Small sided games in tight spaces/ coaching in units etc are forms of the constant.  

13 hours ago, Bs4Red said:

Have you read the article? 

I mean like do you not watch the goals and just laugh. 

I don’t think that goals make a great game, I’ve watched good 0-0s it’s your perception of football. 

Having studied for 7 or so years I enjoy watching the tactical side. Goals are great but there is another side to it

 The article states the average height of women in the UK is 5.3. That is not the average height of UK female goal keepers. The England Keeper Bardsley is 6.0 tall. 

In your last sentence you make a point about enjoyment and watching. That is not a coaching point. Implementing goal and pitch sizes would necessitate a huge overhaul of facilities. A impractical massive overhaul as experience and evidence shows within the age related phases in the male game those changes will not occur. At the U14 level kids play on adult pitches with adult goals because there were/are not the resources to support different. 

Age related phases are just that, the coaching and educational phases apply to both males and females, they are not phases solely based upon the physical but very much the psychological.

Males and females playing on the same sized pitches, using the same sized goals, using the same coaching methods makes logical sense. The female game to improve it further needs more equivalence to the male game not less. 

26 minutes ago, Numero Uno said:

It’s clear from your posts that you have an interest or involvement in coaching. At what age group would you start to play in a club identity (genuine not trick question)?

Personally I would say you teach lads to play all styles up to at least U14/15 then start to play club philosophy on the basis you get more rounded footballers plus you are only one sacking away from a total shift potentially.

At U12 as was the intent of Mr Johnson.

If the club has a long term identity forming the technical (skills) base through play rather than intensive coaching can start at early ages. 

In regards to playing multiple styles that can lead to less rounded footballers. It leads to episodic coaching v periodized coaching and deeper learning. Models that increase the technical base and regularly stress players create more rounded players. A technical ball player has more opportunities to problem solve, the technical feeds the tactical, that well rounded. 

4-3-3 is a multitude of styles pivot, double pivot and is used world wide due to its flexibility =  It creates more rounded players. Its move one over, drop one to increase learning not throw it up in the air .. Humans learn more slowly without repetition. 

What Mr Johnson was doing does not mirror excellence in the UK or Europe. For a supposedly modern thinker and modern coach his methodology was utterly bewildering. His trips abroad studying ignored the models he visited. 

A club set up in the manner Mr Johnson was painting initially replaces head coach to head coach. The coach is selected to fit the identity - its principles and values remain intact.

3 hours ago, MarcusX said:

Define achievements? He saved us from relegation and turned us into a solid Championship side, challenging in and around the play offs.

He got us our best cup run in 30 years, beating the biggest club in the country and going toe to toe with the best team in the world at the time over 2 legs. We played some of the best football I've ever seen from City, especially when you consider the level we were at (Cotts team was fantastic, but it was L1 football)

The end was shit, and it was probably the right time for him to go, but it's nonsense to say he didn't achieve anything here.

For months. Its an example how ill planned Mr Johnson football was. The transfer window saw him recruit players alongside others within his squad who could not progress that football. Not only did he not progress the high tempo game, he in months put it onto reverse. Bristol City went from a high possession, short passing, high tempo team to a low scoring , low possession side that played counter attacking football at home.

His biggest failing is frequently over looked. In 2016 he stated that his intent was to create a footballing identity that ran through the club. Mr Johnson frequently mentioned, this identity, the painstaking recruitment process that ensured the dna of the players fitted the project. Within a season of his tenure it was clear that he was talking bollocks. Despite years at the club and record resources he never put in place this identity. The team had no identity. The pathway from academy to XI was faltering. The developmental philosophy was unclear to non existent i.e. the academy and U teams were playing different formations and systems to the XI ,and it would have been impossible for them to develop players for an XI that went from long ball to short ball to high press to medium block to low block x seven formations over astonishingly short timescales. This was not storming and norming it was a man out of his depth.

To not put in the keystone behaviours of this fabled playing identity over a period of four years is a dismal achievement. He there damaged the potential of the FC. Nice bloke, don't think he is a bad man but for a supposedly modern coach and  the FC the above is a disgrace.  

On 19/06/2020 at 08:21, formerly known as ivan said:

I don’t get how you can make yourself run if you don’t enjoy it. Speaking personally here, but it’s when I don’t enjoy it I don’t do it. When I see improvements and hit milestones the energy is great. I know before I even leave the house if it will be a good run or not purely but the way I am feeling.

As mentioned above, the Mrs is getting into the couch to 5k and running was the last thing she ever thought she would be. She was hating it as it is obviously a struggle making a start but in less than two weeks, with slight improvements each time, when we finished the most recent run a few days ago she actually said at the end of it... ‘I enjoyed that’. I honestly couldn’t believe it. Never thought I would hear those words coming from her mouth after a run!

Keep a diary. Keep a short record why the energy was great and when it was not and what each experience felt like. When you feel negative refer to when the energy was great. Visualize how great felt.

Create a short script. Why do I run. What do I want to achieve. What is my target. Again if you feel negative refer to the script. 

It is more than possible to alter your mindset of threat (I wont enjoy this) to challenge (I am going to succeed/improve/enjoy this).

The above is basic psychology. Its not mumbo jumbo. Your mind has more negative thoughts than positive ones. It is self preservation mechanism. These thoughts are called ants - automatic negative thoughts. We all have them but you really can choose to alter them, not let them take over.  

Harry.

Start with a 350 ml running bottle for longer runs. And then experiment with a bottle 100ml bigger. You may be able run efficiently with a bottle larger again. Many can't if they run pocket to socket for instance as it will affect momentum.

On 19 May 2020 at 12:26, When the river runs said:

That's a really good time 10k , I  might be wrong but I think that is county level.

I might join a running club after this covid 19 settles down and aim for a sub 36 minute 10k .

Apparently you could knock off a couple of minutes wearing those vapourfly/ Alphafly Nike trainers

I used to run the towpath series. It was the standard of a good club runner. I was sometimes five minutes behind the County runners.

2 hours ago, Mr Popodopolous said:

Still though, a club or a division paying out in excess of 100% of income on wages is a nonsense. That's before trsnsfer fees (shown in cost of amortisation) or any other costs.

That divisional average is the Championship.

But that is again the club deciding the players worth. We view that as a nonsense, or maybe we don't because its a industry standard, it is not unusual. Football clubs and in this case the owner Steve Lansdown chooses to run his club in that manner. 

It should be a nonsense but it isn't. Fans widely expect the club to lose money and spend beyond its means because the overwhelming majority of clubs do. 

40 minutes ago, S25loyal said:

Surely you don’t think 20k plus for Kalas a week isn’t grossly overpaid?

Its relative to the industry. It is what the industry considers to be his worth. The players worth increases or decreases accordingly.

21 hours ago, Keep the Faith said:

Before I right this I will state that I am as conflicted about the place of sport during this situation as anyone is and don't know what the right answer is or really what my opinion is! My view seems to change every day. I miss football, professional cycling and as an amateur triathlete all my races have or probably will be cancelled for the foreseeable future. All these things upset me. 

However I will say that it is interesting how it has taken a crisis in the developed world to make people take the view that there are more important things than sport. There are international crises every single day. Right now east Africa is going to be consumed by a plague of billions of locusts which will wipe out crops for millions. Virtually nobody outside of the affected regions would even know about it let alone do something about it. The suffering of refugees in camps across the world is horrendous. We don't assume that we should stop sport until these issues are solved. I don't know why this is, perhaps because they aren't in front of us every day, or maybe because people don't think there is a solution. 

Perhaps sport helps us forget or ignore these thing by giving us something else to focus on. I include myself in this. Perhaps that is a good thing as there will always be things like this and if you can avoid it people don't want to think about it.

If this is going to be with us for years then are we just going to have to accept that and start things up again as normal with the acceptance that death rates will be higher and life expectancy a bit shorter. We have such developed healthcare systems in the developed world that perseveration of life at all costs seems to be everything. Should we just change our view on this? 

This situation gives you time to think about these things. I don't think my simple mind is really up to the task!

That is not a perhaps. Humans, or most of us are not wired to be constantly confined. After we meet physiological and safety needs it is essential, for humans, beyond the superhumans to have other needs met beyond the physiological, or it can mentally and physically damage us after relatively short terms. Sport can be a need, so can being creative etc.

We all have differing connections with life. For some sport is part of oneself. It is a very significant part of peoples defining inter relations with the world and their motivational systems. 

2 minutes ago, Robin-hugh-blind said:

Jeez Fella.

I am not taking anything away from the front line. I fully support them. Obviously?!

I am not being supported. Whatsoever. At all. Nothing. Nor is there any plan in place to do so. NOTHING.

Nurses should be paid more, agreed. 

If you need us to stay at home, spread the message that the SE need to be supported to do so. Don't give us a shit choice the moan when we make it. 

I categorically do not want more. Just the same as the employed. 

 

I personally would like to give you a bell end fine. 

 

 

I work in a front line service. 

You are not being supportive.

Scotland is considering fines for those not following guidelines.

I was not joking about the fines .. 

26 minutes ago, Robin-hugh-blind said:

Again, not taking anything away from people on the front line. 

Yes you are.

26 minutes ago, Robin-hugh-blind said:

 This was not even mentioned or implied. So why is this reasonable to some how make my point invalid? We should give those guys everything they need and more. 

 

We need you to stay at home.

26 minutes ago, Robin-hugh-blind said:

Just want the same support as the employed. It's simple really. That way we can support our NHS by staying at home. 

 

You will be supported to stay at home. 

And you could be better supported than those who work in front line services. Auxiliary nurses, care assistants rarely earn more than £16000 a year. Frequently far less.

26 minutes ago, Robin-hugh-blind said:

We just want the same. Nothing more. 

Read the above again. You want more.

Personally I would like to see a series of fines for the selfish and stupid bell ends in society who will put the staff of the NHS at risk. These bell end fines can then be used to pay the NHS staff bonuses once this is over as a small means of saying thank you for what is being done on behalf of society. 

18 minutes ago, Robin-hugh-blind said:

I get your sentiment, but I'm not wondering around. I'm at work. The government has allowed us to do this. 

And by not supporting the self employed to the same extent as everyone else, there making us make a very hard choice. 

Your point should be directed at the government. 'support the SE so they stop going out' or something like that. Not, 'pick who lives you monster'. 

We just want a fair crack, nothing more.

If No1 was getting paid to sit at home and they had the choice to work they would be if they had too.  End of.

You are being supported.

How much do you think front line care staff e.g. auxiliary nurses, care assistants, support workers are paid to possibly put their lives at risk.. Try less than you will get as a damp proofer to stay at home.

Somerset FA Council, Staff

Please be advised that following the announcement by the Prime Minister at today’s press conference asking everyone to limit unnecessary social contact the Board of Directors have decided to suspend all football in Somerset with immediate effect. This will of course include SFA county cup competitions.

At present this suspension is indefinite, we will advise you if and when there is a change to this situation.

We do not make this decision lightly and are aware of the importance of sport and football in general to everyone, however it does not compare to the wider picture and everyone’s welfare, therefore this is we believe the correct course of action.