TV Tom

On 08/03/2024 at 11:15, Davefevs said:

Has it?

Rotherham we won but hardly glorious!

Leeds we lost and were poor 

Southampton we win and were great 

Ipswich we lost and we’re okay

That’s a mixed bag imho.

Of course you’ll include the cup games, and selectively I’m ignoring them.

I thought Southampton was great. Ipswich was very decent. Leeds was poor, Rotherham was dreadful  

I liked the way he did the Scott Murray celebration for Swansea when he scored against Cardiff 

14 hours ago, Northern Red said:

Yep. Nice lad, on his day as good as anyone in the division but not consistent enough.

You're right in regards to his consistency, put in one of the worst performances i've ever seen from a professional footballer at Reading about four years ago.

43 minutes ago, RedReg said:

Hoping so, I travel up each home game from Cornwall so was hoping to go to this one as its not too far away 

Only 51 left 

140 left, looks like it will hit general sale for season ticket holders this afternoon

5 minutes ago, ralphindevon said:

Amongst all the moans, something I find I’m doing more the older I get, I do also like to offer praise where it’s due.

And I must say on the occasions I’ve had to buy tickets this season, away games and cup games, the online service has been excellent. Literally a couple of minutes and all done each time. 

Agreed, even a computer numbskull like me has found it easy !!!!

A fantastic achievement, well done boys

Imagine they will be gone fairly swiftly in the morning 

10 minutes ago, Mr Popodopolous said:

The good at their best have been very decent, but the bad have been wretched.

Even some that haven't been so bad technically have been sleep inducing. Some okay too of course.

Negatives very much outweigh positives so far for me.

I get everything you say

5 minutes ago, MarcusX said:

Pearson got loads of stick early in his first full season, and some wanted him gone before Xmas that year.

Doesnt matter what side of the “divide” you are on, its re-writing history to pretend Pearson had it easy or didn’t get any stick from fans at the same stage of his tenure as Manning is in.

Difference js, Nige should have been in credit to some extent after keeping us up.

 

 

 

 

I'm happy to give Pearson plenty of credit and am fully appreciative of some of the things he did under difficult circumstances but after two and a half years i think the time was right to go, again this is only my opinion and i appreciate fully and i understand why some people have the opposite opinion

9 minutes ago, RollsRoyce said:

Let's talk about Manning. Pearson has gone, and Manning being unsuited has nothing to do with Pearson. Two hugely different scenarios.

So, why did we appoint Manning? What are the attributes you see, with the squad that we have, that suit the way Manning wants to play? What youth players have been developed under Manning? What players have improved under Manning? Why, when Luton and possibly Ipswich get promoted to the Prem playing a certain way, with a budget closer to ours than say Leeds/Burnley/Leicester do you think the Manning 's approach to playing football is superior to that of McKenna and Edwards? How many players does Manning need to sign? Particularly when 2 players already signed, we tried to sign before he got here, a powerful forward we tried to sign before he got here, and the number 10 position, filled by Scott and not replaced, would have been filled if the money was available. So we already know the squad for next year, bar Twine (or his replacement) and a Semenyo replacement. Is that enough to give Manning the players he would want to play his way? Is that way of playing as. a non-parachute payment club going to bring success? As we would be the first club to do that, nothing like being first of course, but it does not follow any other path to success by any other club. 

In any case, when, who, has said we are now going on a different path? The club have never said it, fans have created this narrative to explain Mannings's failure. 

In my view, the club did not do their due diligence and hired a Russel Martin replacement, when what we needed was a McKenna or Edwards if we wanted to utilise better the players at our disposal. 

It will be faster and more economical to cut our losses with Manning now before we enter into a blind faith, or an attempt at face-saving , path that will be destructive and carries a high risk of relegation next season. 

Whilst 10 games left can change the mood and take Manning into next season with positive energy, something stupendous will need to happen to lift what would appear to be increasing doubts. An empty ground at full-time for a derby I had never seen before, and the atmosphere was the worst I can recall for a derby. There is no faith or belief. Those are worrying traits. Anger would be better, really, as it shows passion. But people have stopped caring. As it is a lost cause. 

So, please, try and explain what it is that you believe Manning has that I and maybe a few others are struggling to grasp. 

To be honest I really don't know what Manning has or doesn't have yet but like it or not he is our manager so i'm willing to give him a chance and a bit of time and get behind him, the good games have been good and the bad games have been bad so much the status quo of the last five years, since xmas i've really enjoyed a few games (the 4 cup games, Cov' Middlesbrough, Southampton and even Ipswich the other night, the bad games were atrocious as were many games under NP (i still break out into a cold sweat with our away performance at Reading last season)

5 minutes ago, AshtonGreat said:

Pearson managed 12 points from his first 15 games?

Ssssshh, get your tin hat ready because there are many, many, many, many reasons for that don't you know

1 minute ago, W-S-M Seagull said:

You just don't like to hear the truth that Pearson and Manning inherited vastly different squad's because it doesnt fit with your agenda. 

It's nothing about "the truth" I just hold a different opinion to you.

Just now, W-S-M Seagull said:

Its been explained to you many times Tom. For the final time, completely different circumstances Tom. 

Yeah, yeah, yeah, i've had enough of this nonsense, i'm getting ready for 10:00 and the Plymouth away tickets, Manning's red 'n white army 

Haha, that would be hilarious

On 05/03/2024 at 16:12, sticks 1969 said:

I don’t see why we didn’t get a bigger allocation of ticket ?

it not like there has ever been trouble down there 

Agreed, they have some decent car salerooms down there as well

1 hour ago, W-S-M Seagull said:

Don't be an ostrich Tom. Different situations. 

You can dress it up as much as you like but going 14 home games without a win is a horrendous statistic, you need to get your ostrich head out of the sand

6 minutes ago, W-S-M Seagull said:

You're making this a Manning Vs Pearson debate in order to distract from the current situation which is 4 losses in a row and 23 points from 21 games. If any manager delivered that sort of record then the mood is going to be exactly the same. 

Personally I can't see any situation where a 'give him time' with a squad already good enough for top 10 would have people be forgiven of our regression. 

Manning has shown absolutely nothing that even with time, he'll come good. 

You mention about excuses for Pearson but then 90% of your post is excuses for Manning. 

 

Can't remember Pearson getting the same stick when he went 14 odd games without a home win

19 minutes ago, Davefevs said:

No.  Where did you get that impression from?  I’m hardly gonna go “sack manning” on Saturday evening if I felt there was hope from the Cardiff game.

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Oh, sorry, you mean Cardiff (a).  Talk about apples and pears.

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If you sack Nige and all his staff on Cardiff (a), then I dread to think what Manning deserved on Saturday evening!

Sorry Dave should of been clearer, I did mean Cardiff away, I seem to remember one of your posts saying we played well there, just out of interest do you think we played better last night than we did at Leeds and Leicester?

I remember that 0-0 Leicester away game, they absolutely battered us, I think they ended up getting relegated with a crazy 52 or 53 points

1 minute ago, phantom said:

Neither of us know if it was or wasn't to do with NP being in charge, but it's just as feasible as those that are trying to imply he won't sign because LM is here. 

So you are saying he may have known before anyone else that NP was to be sacked, LM would replace him and we'd go on a losing run?

He’s had a contract on the table a good few months before NP left and he didn’t sign it, this paranoia that every little thing that goes wrong is down to Manning is crazy 

1 hour ago, Back of the Dolman said:

Yes I’d like him to stay, he’s an instinctive goalscorer and I think there’s plenty more goals in him.

 

Agreed, but like Scott and Semenyo, if another team higher up the chain comes calling offering to quadruple his money what can you do

4 minutes ago, Back of the Dolman said:

Depending on who the manager is he might be okay with that 

Maybe, personally I hope he stays but it looks unlikely, apparently there's been a new deal on the table since last summer 

If he doesn't sign new deal then he's got to go if someone offers big money, if it's just a case of a Million or two I'd keep him here

1 hour ago, Davefevs said:

I can categorically, hand on heart say that was not a very good performance last night.  Not even for 77 minutes.

It was a game where we worked hard and contained Ipswich, but first half we were error strewn in passing, control and running into dead-ends.  There was the odd flash - Cornick cross to Wells, Wells and co pressing to create a chance for Knight.  But that was it.

Second half we forced them into a few more errors and win some territory and played a bit better.

We took the lead, nice goal, we looked on top (great), then the subs.  We went back ahead probably against the run of play…and then we went to pieces.

So, that’s not my definition of very good.  In places it reached 7/10, but for large parts it was 5/10-6/10.

We need to stop thinking gutsy / containing = good.

Happy if you disagree TT.

Yet you think we played well at Cardiff !!! They are in second place mind Dave and unbeaten at home for six months, if you don't rate last night's performance I dread to think what you think of some of the rubbish we've had to put up with over the last five years