AshtonGreat

1 hour ago, RedEyez said:

What if we didn’t sack Nigel Pearson?

We'd probably be 14th

5 minutes ago, Davefevs said:

Do you think you’ll already know that come season end?  Or do you really need really need 20 (8+12) and a window to assess?

Fine if you do.

I’ve seen enough.  I don’t think he can change.

4 minutes ago, Street red said:

He won't! Coaches dont succeed at this football club and even worse he's inexperienced. You dont learn on the job at Bristol City FC.

I think if we'd lost every game under his tenure, then I'd be calling for his head right now. The fact is, though, there have been glimpses of good quality - and i'm curious to see what he could do given a transfer window

9 minutes ago, One Team said:

Whilst I don’t agree it’s good to have differing opinion. Out of interest, how long are you prepared to give him?

4 minutes ago, Davefevs said:

Good for you!

The big question is can he manage a Championship football team to the expectation levels of the people above him, the players, and to an extent, the fans?

At the mo’, it appears not on all three counts.

I'm prepared to give him the summer and maybe the first dozen games of next season. If there are no real signs of improvement/progress by then, I'll accept that he isn't right for the job

2 minutes ago, steviestevieneville said:

That’s the bare minimum of working in professional football as a coach at any level . Hardly good enough qualifications to manage a championship club 

Well that remains to be seen...

11 minutes ago, Superjack said:

I don't think anyone needs to laud Pearson at Manning's expense. They are incomparable. 

How the **** we have gone from one to the other beggars belief. 

Levels of duncery that are quite frankly astounding.

I'm prepared to give Manning a little more time. He's undoubtedly an intelligent guy who understands the technicalities of football 

4 minutes ago, Superjack said:

And that affects his general point how, exactly?

It doesn't especially, although i disagreed with the point anyway. It just seemed like another excuse to laud Pearson at Manning's expense. Plus, you'll find many examples of coaches who've had considerably less on-field experience than their players

6 hours ago, Major Isewater said:

One big problem I have with Manning is the impression that he does what he does for Manning. If he was successful here he’d be off at the drop of a hat for a bigger gig. 
Pearson had nothing to prove and did what he believed best for the greater good of everyone. A leader of men. 
How can a bloke who’s achieved the total sum of bugger all in his career really tell , for example, Premier League winners James and King how to play football ? 
Or give enough confidence to the youngsters that they will succeed with his coaching ?

Massive cock up from our owner. Bullet meet foot.

James didn't play any games in Leicester's title-winning season

17 minutes ago, Galley is our king said:

Sorry @AshtonGreat,no they are not identical....

OK, well almost

On 17/03/2024 at 07:22, nebristolred said:

I'm not sure why this needs to be the case. This might show a big age difference between users here, but even as far back as the supposed heyday of the 2000's I think there have been headliners who potentially weren't known by 70% of the population.

Would 70% of the population have known Moby? Travis? Basement Jaxx? In 2009 would all the kids know who Neil Young is (I certainly hadn't heard of him at that age even though he's a legend!). Arcade Fire in 2014? Big names, but 70%+ of the population?

I think the lineups these days are more a symptom of the music industry than a sign of a 'poor' lineup. Access to music is so much easier and wider, and is less siloed to a finite number of tv and radio stations, so musical interests are far more fragmented and niche. I think for that reason, people who are less interested in music and only see the 'big' acts shout every year about how lineup's are going downhill, despite the fact that attendance numbers suggest the complete opposite.

Gone are the days where most had heard of almost the entire lineup, there is so much more variety now. Guitar music is in a bit of a rut, but there is so much great stuff in the other genres being pushed now.

Not saying I'm in agreement, but good analysis

27 minutes ago, Galley is our king said:

Well certainly better than that of Manning because it looks like we are needing the points gained under Pearson to AVOID RELEGATION!

Also, you will not find many, if any, stating the way we are playing is boring.

Glad you are happy with the current shit show on offer, because I'm not!

The points haul is identical

3 minutes ago, Galley is our king said:

Oh yes, brilliant idea!

Pearsons first 24 the squad was shocking, full of players who didn't give a rats ass, most of which were overpaid and needed getting rid.

Mannings first 24 the squad was motivated, there was a real togetherness. They played for the shirt and us. He also had many injured players returning so no, that comparison just doesn't work!

What about Pearson's last 24?

6 minutes ago, Monkeh said:

James won't make a difference, nether would foden and haarland on loan,

The players aren't the problem, the system they are being asked to play is the problem

Oh i think they would

4 minutes ago, exAtyeoMax said:

I took that to mean the highest calibre, most successful and most experienced, but I could be mistaken.

Possibly

10 hours ago, Mendip City said:

Worryingly you couldn’t rule that out. 
Nor could you rule out a pair of Johnsons… 

Maybe all of them as a dream team. 

I'd be up for having Gary back

15 hours ago, Ashtongreight said:

Yes, you still need to be accurate, it doesn’t help your cause making inaccurate comments 

To be fair, there have been people on here saying he was the best manager we've ever had

5 minutes ago, The Swan and Cemetery said:

This. The nonsense spouted on here, by a few, about ‘cult of Nige’ is ridiculous (sometimes weak attempts at gaslighting). I haven’t seen a single poster imply he was perfect/didn’t make mistakes, just quite a few who can see he did a very decent job through some very difficult circumstances. 

The bloke seems to be mentioned in almost every post at the moment, and there are people talking about chanting his name at the next home game :laugh:

2 minutes ago, One Team said:

Spot on, some very short memories here.

Can you blame me? At the moment, all you hear is how amazing he was 

2 hours ago, Supersonic Robin said:

I actually think the vast majority of the criticism Manning's received has been focused purely on his competency as a football manager. Granted, there's been a bit more content than necessary about him coming across as "boring", which IMHO isn't a particularly important critereon on which to assess him.

It's nowhere near as bad as some of the personal insults thrown at LJ and Pearson though

Like what? Pearson is treated like a god on here 

9 minutes ago, redsquirrel said:

sorry ashton great, i meant to quote this

I just didn't understand the Nige reference

3 minutes ago, redsquirrel said:

and if leicester start a rout with nige on sky, i will cheer them on for more. the humiliation those 3 would suffer would be priceless

Eh?

Just now, One Team said:

Yes I think so, compared to what else I see, read and hear. What do you think?

I think it's very toxic on here. I've lost count of the threads slagging Manning off - and many of the comments have been personal

5 minutes ago, One Team said:

It’s not an echo chamber on OTIB in my view, yes a lot of people feel as per this thread, maybe the majority now, but there are plenty who still support Manning, Tinnion and Lansdown.

As for the average fan what does that mean? The Cardiff game saw fighting in the stands amongst ourselves, booing and chanting; we also had booing and chanting at West Brom.

Your world view may well be different and I appreciate that; for me, OTIB is the most balanced and relatively calm about the situation. Away from OTIB what I see, read and hear is far more toxic. 

Really?

16 minutes ago, Ivorguy said:

It is not the losing of games.

Rather it is

1. The failure to achieve this season what he was appointed to achieve

2. The hurtling down the league

3. Manning’s inane interviews and blaming the players

4.  The way we’ve dropped points with the players half the men they were under Nige

5.  The  mismanagement during matches

6. The dire no entertainment football

Etc etc 

He simply as many agree well beyond his comfort zone.  There is, imo, no chance of him improving at this level, let alone the level we aspire to

Well, we've dropped three places

1 hour ago, Randy Marsh II said:

So the leagues worst side, a basket case club who made an awful managerial decision to sack a manager doing well, pissed the fans off and ballsed up their season,

 

and Birmingham.

Rotherham are the worst though?

5 hours ago, Rob k said:

We won 2 games ago!! 

And scored two in the game before that