NickJ

Not saying SC is a good manager, not saying a crap manager, but IF he's a crap manager he's OUR crap manager, so get behind him and the players unless you WANT division 4 football.

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No - you are a useless, egotistical loser.

He never seriously said that did he?.

 

WTF has he actually won above conference level?.

 

****ing clueless.

He IS a winner.

 

3.5 year contract for a lower league journeyman manager.

 

That's like winning the lottery.

 

Sad thing is, with all that cash all he will do is buy a bigger gold necklace and more hair gel.

 

We deserve better, but life is seldom fair...

One of the many reasons I was horrified by the appointment of Cotterill is that he's got a long habit of saying moronic things in the press that piss the fans off and cause disruption. He's really not very bright at all.

I hope we scrape by this season, but I wouldn't bet on it sadly.

If this was the gas id be pissing myself at them.

For crying out loud. What a penis.

Just an example of the egotistical b******* he has spouted in the media throughout his career.

 

 

 

We are stuck with this fool's ego and incompetence for the rest of the year. Next year, whether we stay up or not, this guy has to go. He is not our future whatever happens. As my nan would have said he is "all mouth and trousers".

I honestly think that the sooner this arrogant, clueless no-mark gets out of our club, the better it'll be all round.

Coco the Red Nose clown has replaced Chico the Ringmaster at the BCFC circus.

 

We have now employed a pretend cockney wide boy clown, who thinks he is a tactical genius & our saviour but in reality he hasn't got a bloody clue on how to sort us out.   He has brought in players on extremely high wages that just haven't improved the team and if left to his own devices, will set us back years....just like Pulis did.

 

Let's hope that JL was right and we have a cheap get out clause and employ a manager who will continue the clubs philosophy.

Because he s a inarticulate charmless chancer

SOD was only in charge for 18 games - so maybe you should not be so smug with your "In all seriousness, if you want to quote "facts" comment.

 

 

It's also irrelevant how far away we are from the team at the bottom - it's how far we are away from getting out of the automatic relegation spots - and it's the same now as when SOD left (only now a worse goal difference , and some teams around us have games in hand.

I was being generous to SOD as I included all games until SC took over but if you exclude the game where none of them were (Preston away) it's 31 conceded in 18 games at 1.72 per game, and so SOD record even worse. It wasn't intended to be a smug comment it was an observation that the poster was attempting to "prove" his point with "facts" which were not correct.

Likewise, I wasn't trying to say which is the most appropriate basis of measurement - I simply responded to the poster's inaccurate reference as to how many places we are from the bottom.

But again as many have pointed out, if you strip out the honeymoon period (the same that SOD had) the results are just as bad if not worse.

 

10 points from the last 10 is very worrying.

Another with the "present something as fact and to hell with whether its correct or not" bug then.

SOD's last 10 games also yielded 10 points.

What is more, what is significant about 10? SC's last 12 have given us 16. You should have gone for last 2, that's only one point from 6, hell we are well and truly ******.

Why not choose a random sequence of games to prove any point.

We only picked up one point in January, we are down. Hang on forget that we just started February with two wins and a draw. No, its ok to rip into SC again now, a home draw and an away defeat. What is more an ABYSMAL away defeat - and the manager says he's a Winner! What a goon.

I notice we haven't beaten a team with the letter "k" in its name all season, should the board be giving SC the dreaded vote of confidence?

And what is this honeymoon period then, that's what all managers get given do they, like a signing on clause in their contract. So why don't we just change managers every 10 games, would we get the honeymoon effect 5 times a season? Why didn't Gary Johnson get it? Somebody should alert Lansdown to this, maybe an appeal to the FA and we can get those points we should have had then, now?

Not "spinning statistics". Facts are facts. The facts are SC's record is better than SOD's. Anything else is opinion. I'm not expressing opinion, just facts.

 

 

Not sure your desert island analogy is a fact, though judging by 20 passes strung along the back followed by a 50 yard punt from a centre half, I suspect he would indeed have studied the tide for several months and built a raft - and then swum straight into the sharks.

Correction.

After several years studying the tide and the stars and the wind direction, and planting a forest in order to eventually build a ship - SOD would have sailed round and round the island.

You should be a UKIP politician spinning those statistics to fit your argument.

 

How many Romanian immigrants are really flooding into the UK? (on a 'pro rata' basis of course).

 

We were in the shite with SOD but I saw some room for being optimistic over the longer term, with SC we are still in the shite, just less reasons to be confident.

 

If you were trapped on a desert island would you rather be stuck with SOD or SC?

 

SOD would probably want to study the tide patterns for a few months, design a decent raft, source materials and supplies and make a calculated risk at survival on the high seas.

 

SC would tell you to drink your own wee and swim for it, telling you that sharks are not really dangerous and that Tom Hanks made it to safety in that film so you should be OK...

Not "spinning statistics". Facts are facts. The facts are SC's record is better than SOD's. Anything else is opinion. I'm not expressing opinion, just facts.

Not sure your desert island analogy is a fact, though judging by 20 passes strung along the back followed by a 50 yard punt from a centre half, I suspect he would indeed have studied the tide for several months and built a raft - and then swum straight into the sharks.

Because the performances under SC are worse. Especially now the initial honeymoon period is over.

 

Some more statistics for you to add to your list there.

We are no further away from the bottom of the table than under SOD yet now have a worse goal difference.

SC has only bettered the result achieved by SOD in one game since coming here. The 3-1 win over Orient.

SC has shown himself to be inept in the transfer market, El Abd having contributed to the destruction of what was beginning to look like a solid defence.

 

 

Once again misleading and/or inaccurate "facts"

- When SC took over we were one from bottom and 4 points from bottom - we are now three from bottom and 7 points from bottom.

- Of the 14 teams played, we are still to play 4, results against 9 have been the same, one better and NONE worse

- Under SOD our solid defence conceded 32 goals in 19 games, an average of 1.68 per game, whereas its 23 goals in 14 under SC, an average of 1.64 per game

In all seriousness, if you want to quote "facts", it would be helpful if you did as I have, do the maths first.

Equally if Cotterill was good at both we wouldn't be heading for a second relegation? I mean, the bloke clearly can't coach.

Full marks for perseverance but wrong again.

SC has 17 points from 14 games which pro rata is 56 over a full season and comfortably enough to stay up.

Unfortunately he is still clawing us away from the position he inherited, unless you think he is somehow to blame for SOD's record which incidentally was a pro rata equivalent of 36 points and relegation by a country mile.

Or to put it another way, SC accumulates 55% more points per game than SOD.

Other than the "we would have won a game eventually" argument, I fail to see how anyone can criticize SC yet defend SOD.

Semantics.

Not meant to be semantic.

Depends on how you are defining coach. I see it as out on the training pitch, teaching, tactics maybe.

Management on the other hand is people skills, leadership, inspirational qualities.

If SOD was good at both we wouldn't have been headed for a second relegation.

Think they were after 5 games.

Yes and after 3 games in 1976/77 we were second in the old First Division - what a lost opportunity.

In fact weren't we top after 11 minutes of this season?

He wasn't manager.

Not in name but think you will find one of his roles was to manage. If not the board sacked the wrong man.

The performance of the team Saturday in the Managers words was abysmal.

The performance level of the team in the last two months has been frequently poor. The performances at Wolves and Brentford were very poor and pathetic. Brentford the team was only that on name. Fans left Griffin Park angry.

At Ashton Gate the team is often bossed by the opposition, the defence appears to be getting worse despite the "Winners" obessession with centre halves. the XI has left thd first forty five minutes in the dressing room, the form of JET, Reid and Bryan has deserted them, tactics are baffling, players inhabit positions were they are clearly not happy ... I could on but don't want to mention those pillars.

The perception is there that Mr Cotterill is a bullshitter. He can change that.

Wouldn't agree or disagree with any of that none of it is any part of my point. It's just your opinion and at least you haven't resorted as many others have, of hammering OUR manager with counter productive personal insults.

He was in the relegation zone at the start of last season. He was given time to implement the fundamental change of ethos following Hodgson and Dalglish and Liverpool are now reaping the rewards playing the best attacking football in the country.

Liverpool are a lesson in patience.

No he wasn't.

Brendan Rogers was interviewed last night on talksport.

 

He was asked which English managers he admired.

 

First name he mentioned?

 

SOD.

 

 

No, he was asked which English coaches he admired.

There is a difference, and SOD may well be a good coach, but demonstrated that for us he was not a good manager.

It should also be said that earlier in the interview Rogers also mentioned Harry Redknapp as somebody he greatly admired as a manager.

But in terms of this thread all he has said is, he's a winner, and if he's a winner, that means we are too.

I (a) don't see what SC has ever done to deserve such hostility and (b) believe it is in our interests to support him.

cotterill is on His side, not ours, he manipulated his way into the job through his (( alleged : friendship with our anonymous chairman, of the many awful decisions made by our awful board this will go down in bcfc history as one of the worse, I repeat cotterill is on no bodys side but his own ! awful manager + a embarassment havin g him representing my

Why would you feel the need to say that?

Hmmm but now you have a cry when people are negative about the present manager, who you like "because they stay late".

Anyways, I also thought SoD would not work out, mainly because he would never get the time to implement the changes needed. That was painfully obvious moreso, when people talked of automatic promotion this season.

lets just hope you're right about this one, and somehow staying in the office late somehow leads to success on the pitch.

When I expressed an opinion that O'Driscoll would not succeed, I expressed that opinion without personal insults, without wishing he was gone. I also said that I hoped he would prove me wrong. Big difference.

Whether O'Driscol would have been successful given time we will never know for sure. Its easy to say he would have been successful eventually, because you can never be proved wrong. The fact is that in 40 games he was the least successful manager we have ever had, thus at the point of his departure vindicating my original opinion.

I have never said Cotterill will be successful because he "stays late". What I have said is that I know he works extremely hard, so for that and the fact he is on OUR SIDE he should be given support. If people want to say in their opinion he will fail, I think that's fine, its just an opinion. But the constant personal insults form some from day one is out of order, embarrassing, and counter productive.

How convenient you didn't post it on here.

On this site or ziderheads, can't remember which, I not only said O'Driscoll would not be a success, but explained my reasons.

On ziderheads at the beginning of August when most were saying we'd either go up automatically or play offs or mid-table at worse, I said O'Driscoll would take us down again.

 

I've said repeatedly and consistently that this block of four games we now sit slap bang in the middle of was crucial, and if we can pull out two wins from the next two, we have as good a chance of any.  If not, I think we will struggle to extract ourselves.  That is an opinion I'm happy to be wrong about, but I don't think I will be, unfortunately.

Luckily for us all, I am never wrong.

I said from day one SOD would be a disaster and so it proved - even though like you I constantly said I hoped he'd prove me wrong, not that that was ever going to happen. Its a simple equation, workers look to leaders for leadership and inspiration. That doesn't mean being loud, some of the best leaders do so in a quietly effective way. But SOD is simply not a leader.

I don't know what happened at Sheffield as I wasn't there however Sheffield were always going to improve after appointing Clough and I have seen enough to know that results will be better under this manager than the previous one. But then that's also not a very difficult prediction.

Put it this way, as someone who usually visits the forum(s) of opposition teams after we've played them, I often saw fans of the opposition praising us when we were managed by O'Driscoll, with people regularly stating how shocked they are that we're near the bottom of the division and that it'd only be a matter of time before we turned things around (1 loss in 7 certainly indicates that was set to be the case).

This 1 loss in 7 that you like to speak of included 3 draws, a home FA Cup game against Dagenham & Redbridge, and was preceded by 14 league games without a single victory. And that was just this season.

I could put up a very strong mathematical case to demonstrate that things were not, in fact, being turned around but then, so could anybody that isn't selective with the facts.

Plus, I have never been so bored watching football than under the SOD era.

Nothing to do with the constant SO'D/SC Civil War on here, but just had to highlight this and ask; are you serious?

 

Not deriding you or anything Nick, but I seriously doubt we will come even close to this on current form.  Swindon and Preston alone are two games I think we'll be lucky to get anything on our form, and in terms of away; Peterborough currently looks utterly unwinnable, while Wasall and Rotherham are pushing for the playoffs.

 

We need to be realistic; we're likely to get stuffed several times before the season is out.  It is the matches against the teams sharing the bottom of the table that will need our focus.

Not sure I worded the original post that clearly, but to clarify.

Looking at our home fixtures, most are against lower placed teams so yes I can see us only losing one or two and not impossible we could go unbeaten.

Away, as I said, and like you I agree, Peterboro will stuff us unless they've regressed a lot since the home game and/or we've improved massively, but other than that we play a lot of teams who are not much different to us, from what I saw of them in the home games.

So it would only take a small improvement in form and confidence to potentially see quite a big improvement in results.

Yet this forum is full of threads that give the impression our fans don't want that to happen because its much more fun slagging off the manager and players.

Nick, I get where you're coming from on this, and I agree that constant sniping isn't helpful. But what very often starts it off is the constant sniping at another bloke who was also on our side.

It works both ways.

Yes, but the difference is Cotterill has been hammered by a significant minority since the day he arrived, mainly if not exclusively by those who bought into SOD's rhetoric about long term player development. Those people have expressed disappointment at SOD being sacked, that's fair enough its their opinion, but they have gone further than that with insults of Cotterill which have been personal, unnecessary, and unfounded.

In response, others have come to Cotterill's defence and in doing so have inevitably compared Cotterill's record here with SOD's.

The out and out hostility from some towards Cotterill, who I have to repeat is on OUR SIDE, while he is here and trying to do a job for us, is IMO unforgivable and far less understandable than criticism of SOD who is no longer here.

Under Cotterill we have picked up 11 points from 7 home games, not brilliant but not a complete disaster either.

Away from home, we have only lost at Wolves, Brentford and Sheffield, where most of us wouldn't have expected anything anyway.

Of the 13 games left, I can see us going unbeaten or close to it at home and only one away - Peterboro - where I would be surprised if we picked up anything, based on the home game against them.

I may be wrong, but if not this thread and some of the contributors will look a bit sad, and in any case the constant sniping from day one at a bloke who is on OUR SIDE is embarrassing.

Indeed Nick.  Let's hope he sticks with my man Pack as well eh.  Cotterill has dropped him a few times but hopefully the following stats will put an end to that :

 

Pack Under Cotterill :

 

Games NOT Started : Played 3, Lost 3.

Games Started : Played 8, Won 3, Drawn 4, Lost 1 (and in that loss he was subbed at half time).

 

So basically Steve, play Pack for 90 mins and you'll be fine.  Oh, and make sure he's taking corners too.

 

It's an easy game this Nick. 

Yes I stand corrected Harry, I'm a big fan of Pack, I had it in my mind you weren't. But google "otib Harry Pack" puts me right there!

Its just I'm so used to us having different opinions - ie me right you wrong - I just naturally assumed you thought Pack was shite!

Get yourself on that bus to Shropshire mate I'm holding a seat for you.

Absolutely, and I'll be the first to acknowledge that.

Pre-match, having seen the line-up, it looked odd. I thought it looked as though it was going to be 3 at the back, with Osborne at wingback, with only Pack as a defensive minded midfielder. And I personally thought that would be disastrous.

As it was, he went 4 at the back (gladly), and had Pack taking the corners (about time).

Credit to SC for that (though it's what I'd have done weeks ago!)

Thank goodness SC did what you thought he should have done Harry!

Ha ha, yeah, not sure I've mentioned Pack before buddy.

 

For what it's worth, if I had my way Pack would be at this club longer than SC.  But we'll see on that too!

 

Credit where it's due, if we pull off the unexpected 3 points tonight then well done all - and that includes SC.  I don't want him to fail, he's in charge of MY football club.  I just don't think he's my kinda bloke or my kinda boss.

 

p.s. any spaces left on your Shropshire trip?

Ha yes similarly much as I didn't like SOD always said hoped he'd prove me wrong.

Seriously considered going up tonight, only the tube strike put me off, credit to a certain young lad who I know is up there, especially as he rates Cotterill even less than you !!

Yes there are a few spaces for Shropshire, sent out details by email so far and relied on others to forward so clearly you have it, don't have yours - PM it to me and I will send on further details.

I've said it many times before - Pack should be taking corners.  And there ya go!

Think you may have also said you don't rate Pack mate!

Or Cotterill !!

Lets see.

You know I can never watch sober mate!!

 

I will agree that the games v Stevenage & MK Dons were both entertaining.  But so was the home game v Bradford, and the one v Orient, and the one away at Cov.  All very entertaining games I thought.  And the one away at MK.  And away at Carlisle.

The 2 games this week seem to have been entertaining more for the fact that the opposition were much better than us and could score at will.

Any entertainment under O'Negative was in spite, not because of him.

I'll see you with the games you mention and raise you with the home games against Shrewsbury, Colchester, Sheff Utd, Brentford, Crawley, all of which were dire. The home games against Oldham, Peterborough, Bradford and Wolves were entertaining purely because the opposition played decent football and we didn't.

 I personally don't want bollocks about how it will take 5 years to learn how to be a club playing the right way, I could be dead by then. O'Dozy was sending this club to sleep and I cannot fathom how anybody could defend him!!

The ball is now being zipped around under Cotterill with purpose. Whether its bluff and purpose, at least the bloke is having a go.