NickJ

4 hours ago, The Dolman Pragmatist said:

With respect, when Holden was sacked we had 39 points from 30 games and were closer to the play offs than the relegation zone.  After he was sacked, we took 12 points from our remaining 16 games (W3 D3 L10), including 0 wins, 3 draws and 7 defeats in our last ten games.

I’m not saying there shouldn’t have been a change of manager, Holden was after all on a poor run of six defeats in all competitions, but the notion that Pearson saved us from relegation is far-fetched in the extreme.  Only 44 points were needed to avoid relegation that season and we already had 39 when Holden was sacked so we actually only needed 5 more points to be safe.   What happened was that our position deteriorated considerably after Holden was sacked, but thankfully not enough to see us relegated.  

Needed 5and actually got 12.

Not only that, 6 points from the first 2 games and 9 points from the first 5, putting us on 48 points with 10 games to go.

Something changed qute dramatically - we'd previously had 6 straght defeats.

So when you say "our position deteriorated considerably after Holden was sacked, but thankfully not enough to see us relegated", well, that's misleading because the way things were going with Holden, relegation was a distinct possibility, whereas within 5 games Pearson had put that to bed.

And those last 7 games you mention, looking to the future, gave debuts to Tommy Conway, Alex Scott, maybe more?

Sort of demonstrates why many of us could see what he was doing, steadily building.

Just now, Superjack said:

Absolutely agree.

 

But I still don't want this thread derailed for good reason.

Fair enough but it’s all part of the same underlying issue isn’t it and of course I haven’t even mentioned maybe the worst of the lot the nepotism of the owner making a complete clown in charge of the major decision making process.

In what other world would the owner of a Championship club:

Allow the manager to consistently play his son ahead of better players

Appoint a nobody as manager in preference to a proven winner

Appoint a dimwit as Chairman and Managing Director 

Promote somebody with such little credibility (pains me to say it because that aside he is still a playing hero to me despite what is being said about him on here) to such an influential position.

So yes in a way this thread as should all others be derailed to highlight the underlying cause of the idiotic way in which the football club is run 

3 hours ago, Superjack said:

In terms of personnel, I actually thought that GJ made, on the whole, very good signings for us (obvs a few duds... Bas Savage??? ... and the striker that was a left back).

My biggest gripe was the lack of use of David Noble. Yes, he may have had his off field demons, but he was by far the best player for talent in the squad in all the time he was here.

Sadly, most of us know that his non-selection was nothing to do with his life away from the pitch. 

But that has been done to death, and I certainly don't wish to derail this thread.

I’ll derail It because the 2 things that really piss me off over the last 20 years are the nepotism when the manager played his son ahead of infinitely better players, and the nepotism when the owner found a way to sack the most successful manager he’d ever had in order to appoint his “son”

3 hours ago, Robbored said:

Medube got a brief cameo in a recent match - less than 10mins iirc. Absolutely no opportunity for him to show what he’s about.

I’m not on Twitter and have never ever read the City FB page. My neighbour does tho and gets wound up by the crap that’s posted on there.

I told him to sign up on here……….….

Had 30 minutes not 10 and was garbage. Impossible that an underlying good player could be that bad 

On 26/02/2024 at 19:04, Bat Fastard said:

I believe that Steve, Jon and the FD are all chartered accountants. Nigel and his two coached departed as well as Rennie. Given where Rennie had moved from, I doubt if he was cheap and Nige would have been paid according to his status as a senior manager brought in to do a difficult job.  Their replacements were a lower league manager and his coaching buddy.  Now, I think it seems to fit that 4 expensive types out and two cheaper types in, seems to suggest that economies were part of the agenda.  The three accountants did not seem to weigh the importance of experience of the sort they lost when Nigel departed.  Maybe you think that Manning and Hogg were more expensive  in which case, if you are right, then I would be shocked and surprised.

I’m a CA and I’d be surprised if Jon is

If he’s gone on loan to Bath where’s Dire going, Chew Magna reserves?

2 minutes ago, Gaseater said:

Never said i was itk.

Well you said he tried to sign a stack of players out of our reach. They weren’t. 
 

Brentford and Hull City a bigger pull than Bristol City? Really?

As for the comment “he signed a stack of players to win League One!”

Doesnt seem a bad thing to me. Certainly better than his successor spending 100 times as much to achieve **** all.

48 minutes ago, Gaseater said:

Signed a stack of players for league 1 title win, then tried to sign a stack of players who were well out of our reach….gayle gray etc. remember it well.

You’re not as ITK as you think you are mate. 

Gayle is a red herring, it’s what happened before that is the travesty.

41 minutes ago, Gaseater said:

We did back Cotterill heavily. 

No Cotterill wasn’t backed heavily.

HE saved us from relegation to Division 4 with the players he inherited.

He then rapidly tweaked the squad by identifying and acquiring a few key players largely financed by the sale of Baldock.

Having achieved a minor miracle in that 2014/15 season he was then massively shafted.

Of course the normal Idiots will appear saying out of his depth in the Championship etc when in fact he had been shafted and with what he had achieved deserved to be backed, not sacked. And more than that, not just deserved to be backed, but the leader of the football club, ie Lansdown, should have recognised what he was capable of and for the good of Bristol City should have backed him.

But no, Lee fricking Johnson was a better bet for the next 4 years, apparently.

Cotterill backed? My ass.

13 minutes ago, spudski said:

LMs appointment suits JL and BT. 

JL isn't going to feel intimidated by him and Tins knows with his age and experience can manipulate and control him to his advantage. 

Tins knows he's landed in leprechaun shit...good academy manager...but now he has way too much influence. Not justified or qualified. But it suits JL as he is a 'mate' learning on the job.

LM comes across on the coaching pitch as ' one of the lads'. Slapping backs and hugs...he doesn't hold any presence or 'I'm the boss their will be consequences ' etc attitude. 

Most of the players have achieved more than him, and played under managers and coaches better than him, and some that have won the Prem. 

They will have heard it all from better coaches. 

And they are expected to respect him and his ideas. A nobody...employed by nobodies that got given a job by their billionaire dad and another that lives off scoring a winner against a crap Liverpool in the Cup. 

Says it all really. 

So miss having the presence of NP here. 

Run by cowards. 

Yes.

2 hours ago, ralphindevon said:

I was at that game which we drew 1-1 and the replay which we lost 2-0.

 

Me too. 
 

For some reason Ashton Gate very hostile that day, didn’t Curbishley say the most intimidating he’d ever experienced?

2 hours ago, ralphindevon said:

I was at that game which we drew 1-1 and the replay which we lost 2-0.

 

Me too.

Ashton Gate very hostile that day, didn’t Curbishley say the most intimidating he’d ever experienced?

1 minute ago, spudski said:

I've never understood these fan podcasts. 

Why do fans, want to watch and listen to other fans pretending to be television soccer pundits? It's cringe worthy..

And then put them on a pedestal like they are something special and more knowledgeable. When they obviously aren't. It's just personal views like any of us. 

All seems a bit weird to me. 

The forum is one thing...this however is just blokes playing at being TV pundits. It's exactly the same type of conversations you have with mates at work or down the pub. 

Never understood why anyone would give it their time, and then want to comment about their views. Like these people's views are important. 

I find it very odd. 

Maybe I'm in the minority...

Not necessarily

2 minutes ago, KegCity said:

How many minutes has he played? Got to give him a chance before writing him off surely.

More what should have been simple passes went to opposition in 30 minutes than I've seen any other player in a whole season. Weak. Clumsy. Didn't seem to know what to do or where to go. Up there with Diony.

My criticism though is more of the manager than the player, it was a vital game to win to keep up our faint hopes of a play off push and that was seemingly an experiment. 

If Manning thinks that Dire is a Championship footballer I have no faith in him at all.

On 27/01/2024 at 17:56, cidercity1987 said:

£50 travel

£20 food

£15 drinks

8 hours out of your day

I never understand why £10 ticket price difference is the factor in taking 3,000 or 1,000

£50 travel. no it’s not
 

£35 on food and drink. Don’t you eat or drink when you don’t go to a away game?

8 hours out of your day. It’s called leisure time, you charge yourself for that? 

1 hour ago, Red Skin said:

8f he was his coaching badges whilst he was here, then you'd think we'd have given him some kind of coaching opportunity.  Maybe he was considered too much of a threat?

Released 2018 went on to become a respected football manager makes my blood boil every reminder that we had the grass measuring ****. And that every reminder is a reminder of the ineptitude of our owners, to think of the decent men that would probably have otherwise stayed 

3 hours ago, Sixtyseconds said:

FA cup Notts County away 84 the away end was a bit raucous.

Feet, OB helmets and a gert fence were in the way.

Can anybody conform if the great Tom scored City's equaliser ..

By imitating some of our fans by kicking their keeper in the head?  

 

Is that really 40 years ago? I recall that iron fence took a pounding.

Mad to think they were Div 1 and we were Div 4 but were superior in every department on and off the pitch.

On 09/09/2023 at 12:17, NickJ said:

Saw that inteview, Wilbs was careful what he said but plainly thought LJ was not someone he could take seriously. I've heard, and heard of, other players take the piss also.

He's a blagger and doesn't in general command respect as a football manager, because he is is the reincarnation of David Brent.

Blamed losing 3 league games at Hibernian to inferior opposition on "fixture congestion", caused by a "European run" which involved beating a team from Andorra and another from a  small Swiss town.

There are 2 teams in Scotland "bigger" than Hibs, and 2 others more less the same, and yet he managed to lose more games than he won during around 50 games in Scotland, despite being given, by their standards (where have we heard this before), a transfer budget which far exceeded previous managers.

Measured by win ratio, his most successful period as a manager was at Sunderland - where with the resources of that club in division three Mike Bassett would have got them promotion. And yet Sunderland sacked him while they were in the play-off positions. Why? It came immediately after a 6-0 defeat, but there was more to it than that. 

Wherever he goes, he's an unusually divisive figure, but judging by what I've read, mainly disliked and/or ridiculed. How can somebody possibly be a successful manager under those circumstances?

If Fleetwood are mad enough to gve him the job, they will probably be relegated, or he will be sacked before that happens. I'd like to say that will then be the end of it, but he will pop up again at somewhere like Newmarket having bamboozled some unfortunate non league chairman, still convinced he's a future England manager in waiting.

 

Feeling sorry for Newmarket fans right now. 

7 hours ago, Red Army 75 said:

Bloke needs a break from the game 

Game needs a break from the bloke

7 hours ago, sh1t_ref_again said:

It is when you try to misrepresent it, like this

So now Steve owns pretty much 100%, and in doing so has taken away the sole tangible asset, the football stadium, which Steve now effectively owns personally.

SL owns 99-100% of all the companies, but you have tried to imply he has taken the ground away from the club and stashed in his back pocket for possible alternative mostives. When in reality he has done no different to a lot of clubs to protect the ground and perhaps more to ensured it is linked to the football club with a lease

you only have to look at the company structures and even the accounts just submitted to see they are linked.

Guess you could argue its possible to sell the club without the ground now, but it would have to be a watertight agreement for its continued use, otherwise no one would purchase, but what good is a ground that SL or anyone else cannot do anything else with for 100 years.

No problem with having a difference of opinion or having a dig at the Lansdowns when it's factual and not twisted to meet an agenda 

You clearly don’t know and/or understand the ownership structure before Steve created Ashton Gate Ltd.

The stadium was already potentially protected, for the benefit of Bristol City. 
 

Look up the accounts of Bristol City Holdings Limited and Bristol City Football Club Limited.

There was already a structure that could have protected the stadium.

Bristol City, as in the football club, not a legal entity, is no better protected now than when before Steve put in place the current more complex arrangements, 

Steve’s investment on the other hand is better protected. 

When you refer to the 100 year lease, ask yourself the question, what is the legal entity that is protected by that and what happens to the football club if that legal entity is insolvent or ceases to exist.

The fact is that Steve deliberately unraveled the 1982 constitution which prohibited any one individual owning more than 25% of Bristol City. 
 

Whether or not you question his motives for doing that, I think it’s reasonable to expect that he delivers an outcome which is better than Bristol City would likely have achieved anyway.

Bristol City doesn’t have that. It has Jon Lansdown running the show. 

On 25/12/2023 at 08:20, sh1t_ref_again said:

The stadium has been covered before, everything is owned by SL and ML as they own all of the companies. The ground being separated is standard procedure adopted by lots of clubs to protect the ground if the foot ball club had problems. The club is further protected by having a 100 year lease of the ground. Even the accounts that have just been released are for the club and the ground.

But you can try to twist it as a snipe at SL.

 

A series of facts isn’t a snipe.

It’s very simple.

Steve dismantled the constitution of the club which said, post 1982, that nobody should own more than 25% of Bristol City. 
 

So now Steve owns pretty much 100%, and in doing so has taken away the sole tangible asset, the football stadium, which Steve now effectively owns personally.

Steve has done that, his choice, and he is right when he says it’s his club.

People talk about Steve redeveloping the stadium, but in Steve’s 20 years there are plenty of other clubs who have done the same, so that doesn’t make him some sort of saint, just someone doing what is necessary. And let’s not forget, the club had planning permission to build a 12,000 seater stand, with finance in place to do it, long before Steve’s arrival, which he decided not to go ahead with.

So in summary, because he’s taken the club away from the fans, he has a responsibility to deliver success for the football club, relative to what we would have experienced without him.

Which hasn’t happened.

9 hours ago, petehinton said:

Ffs we win back to back games and he comes back

Or maybe because it’s Xmas.

Very sad the attitude towards a playing legend, this shouldn’t be happening. Whatever he’s done or hasn’t done, his involvement in Nigel’s sacking etc, the ultimate responsibility is those that allowed it to happen, and especially allowed it to happen in the way it did.

Happy Xmas Tinns.

3 hours ago, IAmNick said:

I actually had to Google this to see if it was real or a piss take. Christ.