Riaz

7 hours ago, Ziderarmy said:

His football views are on par with your current affair and political views

No chance. 
 

If you disagree with my political views, comment in the politics forum and we can debate there. 

Jon Lansclown

Top 6 squad

3 hours ago, W-S-M Seagull said:

I think it's long been established that these type of appointments, DM, LJ, DH and now Manning are not well suited to our club. 

They suit BT and JL who like to have a head coach who is wet behind the ears and whom doesn't challange them. 

However it doesn't suit what we need in order to meet our objectives. 

Big names rarely do well for us - so uknown managers and players suit Bristol City

You never heard of Scott Murray, Albert Adomah or Alex Scott before they played for us.

Then you have the likes of David James, Michael Bridges & Marcus Stewart - Big names, on there way down - and the result? speaks for itself.

5 hours ago, Andy082005 said:

Manning failed somewhere else . He failed at Mk Dons (if we go by your logic)

He was doing well there by all accounts, until he lost his best players (Twine & co)

Who do you think would have been a better choice?

18 minutes ago, Mr Popodopolous said:

Well I dunno it is and it isn't 

Putting aside the individual merits and demerits, GJ, Cotts and NP to varying degrees were both experienced and I assume not patsys as such, thanks in no small part due to this.

Plus were rather successful in their own ways for us.

Lee Johnson had a record budget to play with and could should have easily been sacked in early 2017. Ultimately some good and bad things but some fundamental flaws.

GJ was on his way up. 
Cotts was a lower league manager, who we had to get rid of when we got up, because he was taking us down. He wasn’t proven, for where we wanted to go. 
Nigel Pearson, yes, an exception to the rule. A proven manager, who actually was interested in managing us. Even more annoying that we sacked him. 

1 minute ago, Andy082005 said:

It’s completely irrelevant who I would have wanted - but we should have been aiming for someone with more experience than we got. The reality is, anyone worth half their salt at this level wouldn’t entertain the thought of coming here because the way the club is ran is amateurish 

Right, I’d argue someone with “more experience” would most likely be someone who had failed somewhere else. 
And if they haven’t failed elsewhere, why would they come here? 
 

I like the manning and Johnson appointments. Because it’s giving someone on the way up a chance. Much more suited to a club like ours.

31 minutes ago, W-S-M Seagull said:

I thought my posts made it clear thst it wasn't about the name but about the style.

And what style was that? Losing? With good players!

30 minutes ago, W-S-M Seagull said:

There was no substance to Mannings career but we still appointed him. 

Well that’s clearly not true 

1 hour ago, W-S-M Seagull said:

We went over this at the time. 

It was based on foundation because I did my research on the available options.

I said Lampards style was more suited to the players we have than Manning is and would have been more of a continuation of how we had been playing both in style and motivation etc. 

It's now proven that the players we do have does not suit Manning just like I said at the time. 

I did never figure out why you had such a hatred for Lampard. You seem to disappear when asked a difficult question. 

I'm critical because regardless of the manager my pre season expections have not been met. It's quite simple really. 

I don’t hate frank lampard. 
but as a manager. He has failed everywhere. He had a good start at Chelsea and that’s it.

Theres no substance to his managerial career.

A club like ours needs to avoid being starstruck and appoint a big name and nothing else.

We would have been like Birmingham. We made that exact mistake with Wayne Rooney 
 

Lampard is on his way down and i don’t want to be the club to find out how low is level is

1 hour ago, Andy082005 said:

Why would I want a proven failure? 

I’ll call it now - Manning will not take us forward. He is the next Lee Johnson 

Really hope I’m wrong though 

Right, so who would you have wanted?

6 hours ago, Andy082005 said:

I personally felt it was time for Pearson to move on, but we were in a prime position to attract someone who could really take us forward - and instead we appoint a failed MK Dons coach and someone who has not done anything at this level and has very little experience of the Championship. 

I think that’s the bit they got right

I want someone on the way up. Who do you want? Some proven failure, who comes here because he ain’t good enough for the prem? Who do you think we should have gone for??

On 21/02/2024 at 18:43, Maltshoveller said:

He cant lose can he

If he is wrong it means City are doing well

If he is right He can say "I told you so"

I have a feeling He wants it to be the latter 

He wanted Frank Lampard to be manager for some strange reason

Think that’s why he’s critical 

1 minute ago, Silvio Dante said:

See I both agree and disagree with this. I think undoubtedly we are in a worse position than we needed to be because Jon and Brian are morons. However, the point above is made frequently - and I think it’s made to insulate Liam from criticism. He’s now had half a season. We can see what he’s good at, what he’s bad at - crucially, as discussed elsewhere whether he “deserves” the opportunity to lead a rebuild.

My absolute main ire is at Jon and Brian. But there has to come a point where Liam can be criticised if appropriate - and personally, I think that keeping powder dry on that until a pre season etc may be counter productive 

This season is a free hit for me. As long as we dont get embroiled into a relegation battle.

2 minutes ago, Natchfever said:

Not obvious to the hierarchy one of whom is a so called playing legend so should know more about the inherited squad than anyone on here.

Of course they could be lying incompetent *****.

No reason to let anyone off the hook unless Manning was led to believe he had a free hit this year and could rebuild over the next 3.

Not what fans were told.

Thats obvious.

I stopped listening to the hierachy, when they told us we had a top 6 squad. Chatting out their arse

1 hour ago, Andy082005 said:

I think the aim has to be play-offs next year - at the very least a genuine play-off push 

Manning has a good base to work off of - it shouldn’t be another 3 year plan 

It won’t happen though as those above are out of their depth and are the ones who are holding this club back 

46 minutes ago, Davefevs said:

It’s not.

It wasn’t what the vast majority wanted or expected this season.  FFP had been sorted, the cycle of pre-covid contracts gone (bar one player), it was time to start building, not fire-fighting.

I expected 10th / 11th, but turning less wins than defeats and a small negative goal difference into more wins than losses and a positive goal difference.  We’d seen incremental improvement last season, despite the financial situation.  No reason to think otherwise.

I thought the thing that would stop us going higher was the small squad and injuries.

When you bring in a coach, with a totally different way of playing, its a reset and you have to give him time. Time to implement his ideas.

It is frustrating, because we had a coach, who was a few years in and i believe, was going to take us at least near the play-offs. And he deserved the chance.

So any criticism, needs to go to the fella who thinks we have a top 6 squad.

2 hours ago, Andy082005 said:

28/29 years I’ve had a season ticket - and my reason for hardly going any more and and not renewing next year is just around the whole match day experience now. It really is dire, I just don’t enjoy it like I used to. 

As for expectation. I don’t expect success - never have done, lots of my season ticket seasons seen us in League 1 in front of 11k. I wouldn’t want us back there but I enjoyed my days out a lot more then 

Who knows - i May start missing it when I don’t renew and after a break, but for now I’m happy to take in the occasional away game (which I still really enjoy) and watch the home games at home 

 

 

I get the match day experience. Cant argue with that.

Even in section 82 - i'm finding the songs and the atmosphere is getting really shit.

But in terms of football, you always seem to slag it off and its never as bad as you say.

3 hours ago, W-S-M Seagull said:

Why is equalling last seasons finish of mid table acceptable? 

I don't know what you would have predicted or expected in the summer but I'd be very surprised if it wasn't what most of us expected which was improvement on last season. 

I think many of us expected AT LEAST top 10 this season. I'm not sure why those expections should suddenly shift to next season.

 

Because he is a new manager - with a new style, with a group of players he didnt choose.

He needs time to implement his ideas and coach that into the players, aswell as bring in his own.

Thought that would have been obvious

1 hour ago, Davefevs said:

Out of interest, what expectations do you have to make your judgment? And over what period, multiple periods if you like?

This season mid table is acceptable. 
next season top 10, AT LEAST and then a push for the play offs the next season. 
 

But hoping we can push next season for the play offs 

33 minutes ago, Mr Popodopolous said:

I can't speak for others so much but I'd identity a problem being as the hierarchy being unable to see when they are onto a good thing.

Putting aside the ethics, it happened with Cotts to some extent but most managers get sacked when the form is horrible, the fans have turned. It is seldom a new manager comes in with a solid base, midtable and a squad of good professionals.

Starving the prior manager of funds in the summer..senseless really. A happier camp, 2 or 3 more in key positions and that could've had positive knock-on effects via the whole club.

We did not then replace NP with one of the elite or one notch down from one of the elite.

The foolishness, the groundhog day of shooting ourselves in the foot..possibly this is one too far for some.

League position itself and improved financial stability, could be better could be worse. Championship has a lot of good attributes far from a disaster.

We got rid of Cotts at exactly the right time and we stayed up because of that.

But with Pearson, i was pissed when he was sacked. So i agree with what you’re saying. We had to reset yet again. 
But that was down to our mate jon or the hierarchy as you call it. So i think we are on the same page
 

But it i definitely isn’t manning’s fault that our season is fizzing out. That was predictable.
 

I’m judging him on his performance. Not interested in JL unrealistic expectations. 

Nah, Manning hasnt failed.

He's performed exactly how i expected him to perform

He's probably failed in the eyes of Jon Lansdown - but thats because he's deluded enough to think we have a top 6 squad.

I've seen signs of what a manning team will look like and we have played good football at times.

The style of play that manning teams play, was always going to take time. I'll judge him next season... that said, getting involved in a relegation scrap this season wouldnt be acceptable. But i expect we'll climb up the table towards the end of the season and then next season he can be judged.

10 hours ago, Andy082005 said:

Nope. And certainly won’t be renewing 

Save your money and get a fire stick. At least you can switch it off when they dish up the same shit as they have for the last 8 years 

Why do you support bristol city? they are going to fail 99% of the time...

This is actually a good time for the club - being this high in the pyramid... Only the 70's we've been higher.

At our age, i'd have thought you would have got used to the disappointment and kind of expect it.

I get a season ticket, in the hope of success! Dont expect it at all.

City are doing exactly what i expected this season. And we do play good football at times

Really dont understand what people expect.

1 hour ago, Davefevs said:

Depends how you define it I guess.

I don’t want my keeper coming for everything, what I want is a keeper who shouts he’s coming to come, and one who communicated he’s not, to stay on his line.  Max does that pretty well.  When he comes and can catch, he tries to.  If he comes to punch, he punches.

He’s generally a good decision maker, and decisive in his actions.  I think he understands he doesn’t have build to “come through everyone”, so chooses when to do so, wisely.

The soundbites you from the manager (both Nige and LM) is that he is a calming influence on those in-front of him.

Overall I think he is a more than capable Champ keeper.  When I see Patterson at Sunderland lauded, I don’t see him being any better than Max.

As of yet, we don’t know whether Max is reliable should we push on.

Without getting carried away, we might get a chance to see over the remaining 14 league games.

 

For me he is prone to dropping the ball and he also punches it too often, when he can catch it.

I'm not saying he's sh!t, by any means. But i do think he's one of the weaker players.

Good shot stopper. Makes plenty of saves

But the rest of his game is a bit iffy. Distribution and commanding his area.

For me he's a bottom half championship keeper.

Loved that era. Best time supporting city.

Always believe is a bit of a joke - but at the time we had a team, who didnt know when they were beaten.

Sign him on!