Sir Geoff

17 hours ago, downendcity said:

Not defending the club here, but I do think they were backed into a corner when NP started talking publicly about the fact that the club had not discussed offering him a new/extended contract - he was forcing their hand

I am pretty certain that NP could be prickly and that his relationship with senior management could be less than easy ( his record at previous clubs seems to indicate this) and because of this I can easily see that it became increasingly unlikely that the club would not want to offer NP a new contract, despite, from fans' perspective, NP appearing to be the right man.

As a consequence I can understand that a point was reached whereby something had to give - either NP walked or the club sacked him. Had Manning continued what we saw in the cup games against WHam and Forest and the game against Saints, then none of these threads would be happening. Sadly he didn't and they are, and will continue...........................................

As has been said on here many times NP only went public after ĥe had been asked to 'stand down' after the Leeds game early October last year.

9 hours ago, W-S-M Seagull said:

What often annoys me is the cries I hear of "what about Man City" mainly from them Everton fans. 

But what people don't realise is that these charges are very different to the charges that Everton and Forest admitted to. 

Man City deny any wrong doing. 

Look how long it took to deal with Everton and its one charge which meant other clubs were relegated instead of them. Why ain't people talking about that? 

115 charges that are all denied take a very long time to be dealt with. The hearing will probably last for months and months. Imagine the amount of paper work that is involved? I think I heard there was thousands of pages of paperwork for Everton for just the one charge! 

When people say "what about Man City" I just switch off as its such an invalid arguement and shows a lack of understanding about what is actually happening.

 

40, 000 pages for Evertons one charge.

20 minutes ago, Davefevs said:

Wasn’t it Matt Withers?

Thought it was Patch but could be wrong.

19 minutes ago, downendcity said:

It's sad to read that post from only 6 months ago.

I think if we are completely honest none of us expected NP to be here long term, and  at the start of this season I expected that a combination of his age and health would mean him not wanting a new contract at the end of this season. With the work he'd put in, I anticipated that come the end of the season we'd be in a good position to attract a decent quality manager to take things on - perhaps being able to do things with the team that NP couldn't because of the financial constraints under which he was forced to work.

It is increasingly looking like the club forcing Pearson's departure mid-season has been a massive own goal. Compounded only by the club now finding itself in a no win position, as if things continue to deteriorate on field then sacking Manning will only confirm the flawed decision to sack Pearson and appoint Manning. The danger of not sacking Manning is that it could well continue to unravel all the rebuilding work Pearson undertook in difficult circumstances.

Unfortunately this could well turn into the latest version of City's one step forward, two steps back approach.

Bristol City - proven exerts at clutching defeat from the jaws of victory!

 

 

 

Fwiw I thought he would be here next season then hand the reigns over to Andy King and take a watching brief for 6 months or so.

Thanks but you could have saved yourself time. Davefevs posted those stats yesterday. 

We are better without the ball and Mannings best performances have come by playing 'Nigeball.'

48 minutes ago, milo1111 said:

I’ve just had an email from the club ;

Don't miss out! Renew your 2024/25 Bristol City Season Ticket today for a chance to win it absolutely FREE! All supporters that renew up to the end of today will be entered into this exclusive Prize Draw

Maybe sales aren’t progressing as they hoped. No surprise if so.

They do that every year but the 'draw' and free ticket usually find their way to someone associated with the club (well it did a couple of years ago).

Bet he regrets pulling out of last November's Internationals in favour of training with the 'new manager,' now.

10 minutes ago, Cole Not Gas said:

So in a sport of passion and opinions certain tools who love their own opinions only, not to mention welsh-sounding names and auto-signatures so full of self-importance, certain  posters wish to 'silence' the views of others; if that's attempts at marxism or dictatorship on a football forum, then crack on Jack. I actually like one or two of your hundreds of comments but not the ones trying to silence others nor those implying anyone who doesnt hate the current manager, have pics of Pearson on their walls etc must be employed by B.S. Growing up would be good for you.

Love your 6th word. Not according to your poster boy.

Actually, you've put so many words into one sentence, you've outed yourself.

You are Liam Manning.

5 minutes ago, One Team said:

If we hadn’t beaten Southampton?

Well, assuming we had lost we would’ve lost 5 on the bounce going into the Swansea game; that wouldn’t have been pleasant at all! 

As others have said also clearly 3 (or 2) points worse off so only 5 points off relegation. 

Quite likely then he may have already gone. For me though it was the Swansea result that saved him, not the Southampton one. Had he lost that, and then again to WBA it may well have been the end going into this international break.

The result against Swansea should have been immaterial. SL was there and saw with his own eyes what a sh*t show it was. To then lose meakly to WBA should have been the end.

I can only guess that JL and BT did some ott tongue work to save their own faces and LM,' s job.

There is no way back now for LM. Once you totally lose the fan base that's it. Win 6 of the next 8 and this dismal 6 months will always come back to haunt him.

I can't think of a single manager that lost the fanbase and turned it around.

Get rid now.

8 hours ago, Rocking Red Cyril said:

LM is writing a book on the game. 

Thesis.

44 minutes ago, Numero Uno said:

The real cult is the “anyone but Nige” mob, exactly the people who advise us to careful what we wish for which is slightly ironic. Nobody wished for the current results and performances that’s for sure!! They started all this and now seem to be missing.

Yes funny that, not a peep from them. All with their, 'I can see what he's doing, ' love all the extra shots on target.' '  Definately see green shoots' 

Where are they now.

38 minutes ago, DT The Optimist said:

Got to ask the question….tin helmet on.

Would those be expected to sing who were  also on the 26/12/22 singing ‘we want Pearson out’ along with ‘you don’t know what your doing’ 

It was reported in the media a toxic atmosphere was created dby fans demanding his head… now that would be ironic a !  And of course I heard it as well. 
how times change, and football fans  short memories ?

we lost that day to WBA 0 2…

As has been reported numerous times, it wasn't a toxic atmosphere and there were about 50 in S82 singing'we want Pearson out.' (and 4 times as many telling them to shut the eff up).

Yes if he'd been sacked the next day there would have been a few grumbles on here but most including the infamous 'cult of nige.' Would have accepted it.

1 hour ago, Super said:

Not long now......

I guess Manning would suit cricket perfectly. Both like watching paint dry.

7 minutes ago, Red Skin said:

Parachute payments have completely undermined the championship as a competition.  They seemed to be a knee jerk response to clubs like Barnsley that collapsed after relegation from the top flight because they failed to build relegation terms into players contracts.

It's been interesting to hear some of the conversations around Forest's points deduction.  One defence I've heard is that as a club promoted they needed to buy a whole new squad of players if they were to have any chance of competing in the Premiership.  

So why not change the model?

Scrap parachute payments and instead use the money to give promoted clubs a golden hello so that can have a better chance of competing in the top flight? 

And yet they paid 2.5 million for Josh Bowler and loaned him to Olympiakos a few days later. plus other examples of money wasted needlessly (Lingard / Shelvey).

Just finished listening and have to disagree with JP's assertion that LM isn't throwing players under the bus.

How is constantly saying we lack quality up front /going forward not throwing the likes of Tommy under the bus ?

10 hours ago, Steve Watts said:

Manning would be safe if thrown under the bus... There's a whole team that he's thrown under it for the bus to get past before it reaches him.

As for Tinnion. I'm sure he was quoted recently as admitting that going into management was the wrong career path for him. I'd be surprised if he manoeuvred himself into that role. 

The worry for me is that Manning resorts to more Nige style of play and keeps his job before reverting to type next season and getting sacked after spending all of the nest egg over the summer.

That's exactly why he needs to go now. 

1 hour ago, Davefevs said:

I’ll provide the stats with no prejudice, you work your angle, that ok?

Matty James:

Under Pearson:

Played: 13 (1170 mins)

Pts earned whilst on the pitch: 18 (+5)*

Team Goals whilst on the pitch: 15

Team Goals conceded whilst on the pitch: 14

Goals / Assists: 2 / 0

Results without James: P 1 / L1 / Pts 0

Under Fleming:

Played: 1 (90 mins)

Pts earned whilst on the pitch: 3 (+2)*

Team Goals whilst on the pitch: 1

Team Goals conceded whilst on the pitch: 0

Goals / Assists: 0 / 0

Under Manning:

Played: 18 (1252 mins) 14 starts / 4 subs / 4 subbed off

Pts earned whilst on the pitch: 20 (+2)*

Team Goals whilst on the pitch: 16

Team Goals conceded whilst on the pitch: 16

Goals / Assists: 0 / 0

Results without James: P 5 / W 1 / L 4 / Pts 3

+++++

* a formula based on result when entering the pitch and result when exiting, e.g. start game at 0:0, leaves at 1:0, he has effected a change of 1 point (draw) to 3 points (win), therefore he gets +2.

Glad you posted this. All the rubbish said about James. I started to wonder if Mannings decent results were when James was on the pitch. For me nearly always one of the top 3 performers, and badly missed when not playing.

3 hours ago, LondonBristolian said:

I do agree with this.  And it is worth noting that - up until the beginning of the season - I don’t recall anyone ‘in the know’ on here ever even hinting at problems between Tinnion and Pearson. But suddenly he seems to have become the prime mover behind Tinnion’s sacking and responsible for everything that has gone with the club, whilst it seems that everything positive he has been credited with since he returned to the club is a sham and an illusion.

As with so many things, I suspect there are elements of truth and elements of interpretation.

Certainly I think it fair to say that the current structure, and his role within it,  has some major problems. There is a lack of experience throughout the senior roles at the club and that is really showing. And there also seems to be a major lack of PR savvy and ability to read the room. 

It is very obvious from the panicked hastily arranged interviews and multiple inconsistent explanations that followed Pearson’s sacking that the senior figures at the club did not anticipate the strength of fan reaction that followed Pearson’s sacking. 

However what I find even more revealing was something said during the SotC interview last week - essentially that Tinnion wanted to come on to talk about the youth team but then got told by Radio Bristol that he would need to answer questions about the first team too. The whole idea that the Technical Director of a Championship genuinely believed in the first place that he  might be able to go on the radio and NOT be asked about the first team shows a massive lack of awareness of what the fans and media are want. 

It is also fair to say that Tinnion’s first major recruitment has been a disaster and is not succeeding on the terms either the fans expected or the club set out.

But ultimately any organisation needs to make sure the appointments they make - even at a senior level - have the support they need to succeed. Tinnion has been at the club long enough that the Chair, owner and board should know his strengths and weaknesses. And it seems like nothing has been put in place in the new structure to help him develop or offset his less strong points. 

I suspect that Tinnion actually does have a skillset that is good for the long term future of the club. There has obviously been a degree of strategy and planning around youth development and long term continuity that he should be credited for. But it is also obvious that PR and press interviews are not his strength and the learning from Manning should be that, if he is trusted to recruit a manager again, he needs support at the very least to ensure that the manager he finds meets the expectations he has set out.

But personally I don’t think the above is necessarily a reason to sack a long term employee before at least trying other solutions.

The club urgently need to look at the top end structure and get some additional experience and knowledge in for sure. I do not think that necessarily means Tinnion has to be sacked but it does mean, as with any employee in any structure, the club need to find a way to utilise his strengths, offset his weaknesses and ensure he is not left exposed to become the scapegoat for every decision taken.

A good start might be someone having a word about not blatantly lying to the fan base and making things up on radio to suit his agenda.

6 minutes ago, Cole Not Gas said:

After the Everton debacle; lose ten points, get some back, here we go again, BBC confirm Forest are to lose 4 but then have another day in court to contest the deduction. If Leicester go up they could be deducted up to 10 points before their season starts - so maybe they will deliberately lose to us next Friday and take the hit this season.

Again, no mention of 155 charges against Man City

Wasnt it great when a goal given by the ref was a goal (no VAR) and when the teams who had most points went up and the teams with the least points went down? Now we are watching EPL and EFL Farce shows every year

If they contest the 4 points then that's crazy. I heard from a reliable source that they would receive a more lenient penalty if they agreed not to appeal.

I was therefore expecting to see a 3 point deduction and no appeal.

19 minutes ago, AshtonGreat said:

I think it's very toxic on here. I've lost count of the threads slagging Manning off - and many of the comments have been personal

"Mum, Mum, someone on OTIB just called me a mood hoover and they keep comparing me to an A1 robot Go and tell them off or I won't leave my bedroom again." sobbing

1 hour ago, Mr Popodopolous said:

Absolutely not sure about that.

Cash Flow in the next few years will show proof one way or another but I don't see that as being the case. Profit on Disposal will show as it did with Semenyo in any case.

Hull until takeover and Sheffield Wednesday and possibly WBA to a limited degree are two examples of where the owner has begun taking money out of the club. ie clawing back loans. I don't yet see evidence that SL is doing this.

'nest egg'

last summers withholding transfer funds.   just 2 examples

Thought he'd be gone yesterday with Steve in town. Sunday seems to their sacking day.

Was really hoping for something yesterday. Pearson was sacked on a Sunday.

Lunchtime today hopefully.

I can't believe that SL having seen for himself will not step in and act.

2 minutes ago, The Coach said:

Concern is people will just renew blindly. I’m not saying for people to not renew if they love the entire match day experience. But hold off until the last minute. Use your brain and don’t be a sheep. This is now a very good chance to make Lansdown squirm as you say.

Exactly. Can't believe two people on here saying already renewed. KEEP THE MONEY IN YOUR ACCOUNT for as long as possible. You've just given Lansdown 6 weeks interest on YOUR money