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For a club that has been so conscious of brand image in the last 10 or so years it's very odd seeing the hodgepodge of logos and poor quality trainingwear/kit.

8 minutes ago, Cardy said:

This is a really odd transfer in my opinion but hey ho.

2nd home game vs Millwall. We know his weaknesses & need our right side to run at him hard from the off. 
I can’t imagine he is very much looking forward to playing at AG as an away player & we certainly don’t want him to enjoy it on the day. COYRs.

 

He should be given a hard time as we give any opposition player. Give him the respect he deserves before/after but hope he'll be hounded for 90 minutes. It's football, it's pantomime, cheer on City while being hostile to the opposition.

Just now, Mr Popodopolous said:

Vyner is also out of contract in a year, we need to seek to extend him if possible.

It would be nice, but I could live without Vyner being here. He's one that we need to extend in order to get a transfer fee for when he moves.

I'm a strong believer that at some point we do have to take a risk and retain big players when we're on the cusp of promotion. Brentford did it with Toney, Villa did it with Grealish. It is possible and no amount of calling ourselves a small club will change my mind.

BUT a deep lying centre mid who's going to leave for £25 million and fund our next promotion push (which may or may not be successful) is not the hill to die on. This transfer will, if invested correctly, fund a squad capable of being a genuine promotion candidate in the near future. Keeping Scott won't help us achieve that.

We need to be proactive with players such as Tommy Conway and Cam Pring and tie them down to long term deals so that we aren't forced to sell in a year or two's time, otherwise we'll be stuck in this loop of selling players to tread water in mid table. 

1 hour ago, Grey Fox said:

And what would our odds be if our squad included :

g/k Heaton

Back four Ayling, Webster, Kelly , Bryan

Midfield Brownhill, Scott , Naismith, Williams 

Forwards Semenyo , Reid 

Or we can just continue to be mediocre, I know what I prefer 

 

That team genuinely struggles to make the play-offs. No balance, no tactics, just vibes.

Just now, Port Said Red said:

It's a training kit that's not for public consumption though isn't it? Not our change or even our third kit, I honestly don't get this obsession.

Surely it will be for sale though? Don't think it's obsession and more just pointing out that it's something that would very easily be confused with other clubs, which is a shame.

20 minutes ago, RedRoss said:

https://www.bristolpost.co.uk/sport/football/nigel-pearson-bristol-city-bryan-8552110

Nige's thoughts.

Can't complain about that, if Bryan isn't hungry enough then it's best for both parties to both move on.

Just now, Port Said Red said:

It's very much what I was led to believe, made me wonder if he had doubts over his fitness to play in a heavy pressing team.

Seems strange to allegedly agree terms with the club if that was the case though? Hardly a secret we play that way.

We'll never really know, but it does seem strange to spend a considerable amount of time in discussion with the club just to move to another championship team.

Just now, Davefevs said:

Like Marlon Pack, there is always the view that he may have thought that he didn’t want to come back in fear of tarnishing his reputation???

Think that's wishful thinking although we'll never know.

17 minutes ago, Jimbo123 said:

From what I've seen of him.

Twine scored more in his last season in League One just from free kicks than Alex Scott has in his career.

I think Scott's going to have a great career, but anyone who's watched Scott and Twine will acknowledge Twine currently is a better footballer.

17 hours ago, Percy Pig said:

Thinking out loud, is there a conflict between sponsors if we were to roll out retro shirts? Perhaps the bigger clubs who do it well, Liverpool, West Ham, Tottenham I've seen mentioned, have better relationships and ability to front up the cost of getting those permissions etc. 

If you were Huboo and you'd just spent half a million quid per season on getting your business on the shirts of Bristol City you'd probably be fairly miffed if half our fans spent £30 on one with Hireite, Blackthorn or DAS on the front. 

I think these things are a bit more nuanced and complicated than simply "the fans would like this so do it". If you know what I mean? I think, considering Jon's obsession with retro kits over the last few years, the powers that be would like to do it, but it might not be either possible or financially viable. Let's not forget how bad our accounts are still... profit remains king until thats fixed, however distasteful that feels.

There shouldn’t be an issue. Birmingham released some really nice retro kits this season with the old sponsors on. We’ve done it in recent years, I own a replica Hirerite shirt.

Have said this a few times but it makes much more sense to just sell copies of the retro shirts everyone wants and then focus on making nice, original home and away shirts rather than redoing an old shirt every season.

5 minutes ago, REDOXO said:

No Dave. :laugh:! Don’t hide too well either. 
 

The issue with HNM is he has undoubted good close control. He has nice little drag backs and is good at getting between the opposition and the ball (Now make the comparison with Scott who has all of that and a million other aspects to his game)

HNM has not developed other aspects of his game to any extent since he got in the first team. Is that due to the club or due to the player, I don’t know, but he became a bigger and bigger liability as he wasn’t great at much of the team aspects of the game, including passing, shooting, tracking, defending, clearing (how many shanked clearances were there…my god) and pretty much anything other than having the ball at or near his feet. 
 

The bloke up the thread asked why some clubs may be interested, no fee of course, but he does have undoubted ability that some will hope to develop into a very good team player. We will see but City didn’t. The boy knew he wasn’t moving forward and the last year is now history. Mr Pearson didn’t want him for our first team for a number of reasons the contract thing just being one aspect. 
 

I hope the kid goes on to be a world beater, but he stalled here in the end and it’s on others to get the player out of him!!

I asked because you seem to believe that aside from good close control he doesn't have much to his game. That is clearly not the case just from watching him, but he wouldn't have consistently been chased by clubs bigger than us if he wasn't already a good player with potential.

9 minutes ago, REDOXO said:

it would really get on my wick. 
 

I know many people think he has great ability and I think he does too. If he was a competitor in a keepy uppy competition or any kind of close control exhibition you would really appreciate his range! 

Wonder why clubs higher up the food chain than us are looking at him then?

9 hours ago, Davefevs said:

I deliberately kept it at club level, because he doesn’t name names, and uses the term “coach” not head-coach / manager.

Bearing in mind Holden had lost his daughter, I can’t believe it was him though.  I actually spoke to Dean about this a couple of weeks later, and Kasey Palmer about Benik.  It’s at times like this you realise how young some of the players are (and how old I felt too!) and how some are very mature and others aren’t.

I assume it was Lee Johnson as he mentions being pulled into his office, and it sounds like the sort of thing he would ask from his players. 

7 minutes ago, REDOXO said:

Well it does a bit. The quality of any player particularly in midfield is going to be judged on a number of levels and issues. Goals is an incorporating factor. 
 

Hence the criticism on here by a few numpties of a 19 year old phenomenon! 

Goals is so far down the list though it’s borderline irrelevant. Obviously it would be nice if any player that’s not a forward could score consistently but not scoring often doesn’t detract from a centre midfielder.

Matty James has scored once since arriving. Nobody is mentioning this (quite rightly) because it’s not his job.

1 hour ago, OliOTIB said:

Scott scored twice last year- yet we all want teams to spend 20+ million on him

Why are centre mids judged by the amount of goals they score on here? Gives no indication of the quality of the player whatsoever.

Just now, Mr Popodopolous said:

 

If Scott goes and Knight comes in, still some outstanding questions IMO.

1) Do we believe Bajic and Wiles-Richards to be a necessary next cab off the rank if O'Leary was to be injured or get sent off. Or even competition to drive standards.

2) Any word on Kalas. Staying or going? Maybe one more CB needed I'd the latter.

3) King..does he stay for depth or. Has this been ratified yet.

Loans. If we do indeed get the £25m, or near as dammit might we look at one or two high quality loans for these positions, to top off the squad- icing on the cake etc.

O'Leary, Bajic, Wiles-Richards

Tanner, McCrorie, Atkinson, Vyner, Kalas*, Dickie, Pring, Roberts

Scott*, Naismith, James, Williams, King*, Knight?

Benarous, Bell, Sykes, Cornick, Mehmeti

Conway, Wells, Weimann

*=Unclear status. Be it contractual or an upcoming sale. Versatility may well reduce the numbers required by one or two of course. 

Think we need competition for Max and another player in midfield. If/when Scott goes that would be two in midfield.

10 minutes ago, phantom said:

My thoughts too

I think we're done for incomings this summer 

Really? What's given you that impression?

On a side note Wales are hilariously awful. You really can’t polish a turd.

21 minutes ago, ExiledAjax said:

Just to add, and I've only just read the press releases today, that personally I don't think that:

"The Third shirt harks back to City’s look in the late 80s, inspired by the Robins’ yellow shirt and socks, and green shorts worn between 1988 and 1990. It features a one-off modern-style Robin motif as a nod to the one which graced the shirt during those years."

Fully explains this. Forgive my youth but can anyone recall the "motif" that "graced the shirt during those years" and is it really similar to the traced "splat Robin" that's on the third shirt.

If be genuinely interested to hear from people if they are satisfied with this two sentence explanation.

PS. Oh the joy at discovering this is supposed to be yet another "nod" to a past kit.

We should just be releasing our own copies of popular retro shirts and then having new shirts every season rather than rehashing a different past shirt every year.

22 minutes ago, Super said:

Got Zidane's number 5 shirt. No pressure there then!

Bellingham asked for it.

Instead of rehasing retro kits every season, could we not do what other clubs do and just have standard kits from a reliable bigger supplier and then release our own versions of retro kits? I remember we sold versions of 70s and 80s kits in the club shop (I still own a copy of the Hireite shirt) and other clubs such as Birmingham have done the same.

Would allow us to cash in on the nostalgia factor of retro kits whilst not needing someone to let JL play with the crayons.

13 hours ago, Mr Popodopolous said:

£25m mentioned again- weren't West Ham and Wolves also expressing reservations about this or reportedly anyway.

That aside, what size bids do we think we will get?

I’d been told in January West Ham considered themselves out of the race due to bigger clubs being interested. Whether that’s still the case I don’t know.

15 minutes ago, Roger Red Hat said:

Not sure I'm convinced of that.

Don’t think you can struggle as much as Kalas does with crosses and be our best defender. He’s been noticeably below the standard he set during his loan spell since arriving permanently. 
 

He rightfully gets plaudits and he’s a solid championship defender but if the higher wages in the thread are accurate I wouldn’t keep him when there’s very little certainty he’d be starting most weeks. If we stick with a back 4 then I think it’s Vyner, Dickie and Kalas fighting to start with Atkinson to come into the mix too.

5 minutes ago, Silvio Dante said:

Just out of interest - if you trust the recruitment team to bring in a suitable replacement (and agreeing suitable wages/fee etc) why don’t you trust the recruitment team to recruit Kalas on a wage they deem appropriate and VFM?
 

Kalas is OOC and the recruitment team/Nige want to sign him on again. You can’t not trust their judgement there on a “known” quantity but trust their judgement on an “unknown” quantity…?

It's just my opinion. I don't think at the suggested wages mentioned he's worth keeping, especially when we've been good at finding quality players at affordable fees/wages. If he was staying for 10k rather than 15k for example, I'd be more open to it.

It's not about trusting their judgement on Kalas, I'm not suggesting it's a big disaster just giving my take on it. If the club want to keep him at those wages then fair enough, it doesn't directly correlate to my opinion on recruitment.