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I will raise and remind , for the umpteenth time Johnsons first full season , despite the various signings , and Tammy goals We got safe in the penultimate game with a surprise away win at promoted BHA So this, regular posted myth , needs to be put to bed

Thanks Tin And I do agree that there is a decent argument that he had reached his ceiling , and wasn’t necessarily a good fit for ‘upper market players ‘ I still think he had earned the right to / deserved the chance to continue , art that time , we weren’t in a relegation battle . Fans getting ahead of themselves and expectations did him no favours I think he would have been better served to have relied on recruitment from L1 & 2 , hungry players on their way up.

Get rid of the main rebels , club ‘legends’ or not , and others would have got back in their box Whether GJ could have rebuilt and kicked on again is debatable tbf , but he deserved the backing and chance to do so IMHO

The defensive style is ....’ok’ , acceptable ,if it’s successful and there’s only the odd side to set up so Its the sly , nasty , cowardly physicality , the surrounding of referees, demanding of cards for opposition , the theatrics that are not acceptable We do see parts of this in the English game , but they reminded me of Spanish sides of 70’s

I disagree Our momentum into the Championship , with that trim and talented squad , was the hottest it’s ever been Burt and SCs recruitment was fantastic , even the loanees and the plan to bring in some quality to add to that squad was IMO absolutely the right one McGuire and Gray were not unrealistic at that point in their careers , and it was IMO the right plan to maintain the momentum SL has made two massive mistakes , amongst many , during his ownership , in not backing managers at the right time #1 Not backing GJ post Plymouth ( I would have backed GJ and told the players if they wanted out , they could do go ) #2 Not recognising the job SC had done , and his and KBs record on recruitment , right before his eyes , and the momentum and golden opportunity we had It was a time , particularly for a ‘intelligent businessman’ , to put aside any personality differences and back , and ride , on the back of what SC was doing - It was time for Bristol City to show some ambition and push the boat out We actually have dabble with ‘pushing the boat out’ at times , but regularly the wrong times When there was a shining bright ‘right time’ we didn’t and ****** up. Ive said on many occasions , the **** up and breakdown of relations with SC , and the subsequent appointment of LJ as a Personal Project , (And the gradual stall and subsequent decline to our current state) rather than a astute footballing one , was The missed opportunity of an era For SL , The Club , and for all of us fans

I agree , but in fact their discipline tonight was awesome For a young lad Foden was brilliant in his bravery and discipline not to retaliate

Disgraceful from the Spaniards I was hoping Fernandinho was going to drop one Well done City Unlucky Atletico Ha Ha ha

That was 5 Johnson signings in the eleven and 3 of Pearson’s so what’s your point ? Yes , we still have some of the dross Johnson signed , largely , the ones we haven't been able to get rid off Most of the squad are young players given their chance by Pearson whether by choice or necessity If someone had a couple of poor games under Johnson , he’d buy two more for that position

I make it 5 (Pearson signed 3) Is there a prize ?

Don’t knock the Internet I’ve just checked the current League Table from the same site Team Pl W D L F A GD Pts Last 6 1 Fulham 40 25 8 7 94 35 59 83 2 Bournemouth 39 21 10 8 62 35 27 73 3 Bristol City 41 19 12 10 92 14 78 69 4 Nottingham Forest 39 19 10 10 61 36 25 67 5 Luton Town 41 18 11 12 59 47 12 65 6 Sheffield United 41 18 11 12 53 41 12 65 7 Blackburn Rovers 41 17 12 12 52 42 10 63 8 Middlesbrough 40 18 8 14 52 42 10 62 9 Millwall 41 16 13 12 45 40 5 61 10 Coventry City 41 16 11 14 54 51 3 59 11 Queens Park Rangers 41 17 8 16 55 53 2 59 12 West Bromwich Albion 41 15 12 14 45 40 5 57 13 Preston North End 41 14 15 12 43 46 -3 57 14 Barnsley 40 16 9 15 48 53 -5 57 15 Stoke City 41 15 10 16 53 47 6 55 16 Blackpool 40 14 11 15 44 47 -3 53 17 Peterborough United 40 14 7 19 47 61 -14 49 18 Birmingham City 41 11 12 18 43 60 -17 45 19 Huddersfield Town 41 12 9 20 52 73 -21 45 20 Hull City 41 12 8 21 34 45 -11 44 21 Reading * 41 12 7 22 48 77 -29 37 22 Swansea 40 6 11 23 30 59 -29 29 23 Derby County * 41 12 13 16 40 47 -7 28 24 Cardiff City (R) 41 0 8 33 34 82 -48 08 Im looking forward to the run in , and it shows what a great job Nigel Pearson is doing

here you go: Nahki Wells £35,000 Tomáš Kalas £2,000 Kasey Palmer £50,000 Andreas Weimann £1,000 Danny Simpson £35,000 Daniel Bentley £400 Matty James £1000 Joe Williams £40,000 Nathan Baker £7.50 Callum O'Dowda £400 Chris Martin £820 Source: Bristol City 2022 Wages | Player & Team totals (imakethingsup.com)

Serious issues Not the Club...... You Like a 7yr old who has repetitive and uncontrollable tantrums through bitterness and jealousy Seriously embarrassing

Weebles wobble but they don’t fall down , especially short ones We’ve had about 30 keepers better than Bo ?

‘He let Fammy go on a free’ ’He signed Simpson on £15k a week’ ???????? At that point it was pointless reading on ........Lets make things up and make a new thread

Some of the comments and posts on this thread , from the serial moaners...... ...... Wow

Said on radio this morning that he used to try and wind our fans up as he loved the banter and stick he got Football will be a worse place without him IMHO

You sort of sense that He will be off and with his hip sorted will play like Beckenbauer as he leads Burnley or someone to the Championship title ?

On average , it’s taken us 8 years to climb out of League One Not recommended

From his Instagram, Kalas appears to be in somewhere for surgery His specialist , specialises in hip pain So would assume he won’t be seen again this season

* Compensation will be payable to those who take up the offer On a serious note , great work and great initiative ??

I don’t think many , if any , of our players have the technique or could cope with the system or the mentality to follow and provide what he demands , even in training ground Alex Scott potentially Its unique and ‘ top end ‘ coaching / system for the highest level - the technique and all round display by these sides is something ekse Having said that , Both still rely on the fundamentals of desire , Team ethic and discipline

Agree Very close to that - When I met him I thought he had a real charisma , a real presence - I remember thinking ‘Id Want to play for you’ The side he put together , for relative peanuts was some achievement - I also thought he galvanised the whole Club better than anyone I’d seen

I think facing either of these two - we would have to settle for a point

I could understand it in the 80s even 90s to a large degree when the turnover of the Club / Clubs was significantly less , even relatively to the modern day.... But when we start paying players a million pounds and more a year , suddenly the outlay on permanent established scouts / network makes more and more Cost / Potential Benefit sense... doesn’t it ? If one of those scouts occasionally finds you an Alex Scott or persuades you not to sign a Kasey Palmer , he’s repaid his annual salary for .... how many years

I recall Ashton’s and LJ’s presentation about recruitment at a Fan Forum not too long into their reign The use of stats etc to identify players blah blah, and used Elliason as an example , and how we had beaten Premier League Sides to his signature Tbf , it was all very interesting but there was no mention or hint of eyes on recruitment - it was based predominantly on software and analytics Im not sure or convinced LJ ever saw live a number of players we signed Although if I’m correct I find that almost inconceivable, but tbf to LJ I think that’s probably the norm at a lot of , if not most , Clubs And I have no problem with stats to aid recruitment ( Not a young un but I dabbled at FIFA a few years back and am amazed how many Foreign players particularly who I signed as youngsters on their FIFA stats / ratings are now appearing at the top level Mendy at Chelsea and Alvarez who is going to Man City two examples - a slightly daft example but actually shows stats have merit) But For a multi multi million pound business , purchasing players for millions , paying players £1m + annually in wages.... I simply cannot get my head around the shambles our recruitment set up has been , for , not seasons , but decades (From Gibbo And Jock , thro Fawthrop to the present day) (Save the efforts and contacts of Keith Burt / SC , and for a large part, GJs recruitment , - but , as a Club , no long term system or department ) and is as limited now as it’s ever been , or at least appears to me Would £40-50k a year (Probably less) for a Full time Scandinavian Scout , or a Full time French Scout , Full time Irish , Non League .... not be likely to prove a beneficial investment ? IMHO a club like ours should have, or at least aim , to have the best scouting and recruitment set up at this level - We as a Club need it if we are to ever thrive IMHO Id be happy , as an owner to invest a million a year into establishing and maintaining an excellent ‘eyes on’ scouting network who is in place to provide an excellent service / support to whoever is the manager or head coach at any given time. Whilst we pay a single player like Kasey Palmer £1m + a year , plus any bonuses I really cannot see why this area is so ignored. Have a team of analysts , great , but any decent analyst at every club will quickly identify the stats gems ( FWIW actually see opposition analysis , clearly presented as @Davefevs has regularly demonstrated , far more insightful and useful product , I’m sure to manager and coaching staff) IMHO ‘Eyes On’ is the way to identify the hidden gems early , before others, and with decent scouting appointments , get a prolonged , detailed feel and assessment of suitability , to consider alongside the stats and data. Am I missing something or is it just me ?