Ian M

I think the mod's on here will want a 1-1 draw today !

If we win 3-0 all the SOD bashers will hammer the forum with there told you so's

If we lose 0-3 all the SOD lovers will bash the forum with the told you so's

Me personaly and not being a Mod dont give a shit, so 3pts please boys and i dont care how we get them, perhaps a pen today havent seen that for a while

I want us to win.

Looking forward to this next test more so now, than before.

 

Just to get away from the depressing situation at City, if nothing else !

 

Well we've had another embarrassing batting collapse in the warm up game

Good thing is it is a 5 match series and you don't loose it in the first test

All I can say is that recently we have been notoriously slow starters in series. Wasn't it last Winter that we were absolutely humiliated in the first test in India before going on to get our first series win there in years?

Absoutely, puts pressure on Bell and Pietersen to quicken it up and then the lower order get wild... shouldn't be like that. Cook and Trott are fully capable of scoring runs quicker than they do.

Hopefully the weather gods will quieten the natives down and it will dull out into a draw

Is settle for Cook & Trott scoring any kind of runs at the moment regardless of the pace they are scored at.

Also, does Bairstow deserve a chance to show what he can do with the gloves next match? The experts claim he's not a good enough keeper to oust Prior but I remember a similar allegation being cast at Geraint Jones last decade and his runs (& partnerships with Freddie) were instrumental in us winning back the Ashes in the first place whilst his lack of keeping expertise didn't exactly hamper us.

Well that was.... awful.

The sad thing was the bowling was pretty ordinary as well.

It all went quiet over here

I suppose you could argue that it wasn't played in the spirit of the game but its like you said earlier.. In football if the ball crosses the line and the officials have missed it then its highly doubtful the opposition will point out it did cross the line.

By the way the e in bold there? Was that for my benefit fella as I made a couple of faux pas without realising first haha

It was a dig that in the above example against India it was Australian batsmen, plural, that failed to walk. So not at you

Everyone in the ground knew he hit it apart from the umpire, he cheated full stop, period,end of, whatever !

 

Not walking is not cheating. Claiming a catch you know you have not caught cleanly is; the same goes for claiming a bat-pad catch when you know it was nowhere near the edge. The difference is that in one you are leaving the umpire to make his decision, in the other you are openly trying to deceive him.

 

(This was a quote from the editor of cricinfo, discussing the issue of Australian batsmen not walking against India, 5 years before Broad did the same against the Aussies)

Definition of cheat  'act dishonestly or unfairly in order to gain an advantage' hence Broad is a cheat.

 

Did the umpire ask him if he hit it so that he could act dishonestly?

 

It wasn't his decision to make.

 

A cheat is someone who breaks the rules.

 

Show me which rule (or law) Broad broke and I will agree he cheated.

 

Incidentally when Australian batsmen were "guilty" of not walking in the second test against India in 2008 did the Indians accuse them of cheating? Nope.

I am sure the Barmy Army will be happy to reciprocate the abuse

 

Even with the sledging it seems the same, Convicts happy to dish it but couldn't take it back... Glenn McGrath being the prime example, some of the responses by opposing batsmen towards him were classic.

 

But Glenn McGrath had the mental fortitude to continue picking up wickets, even if he didn't like the replies. Think back to the last tour down under. Mitch absolutely capitulated under the treatment dished to him by the Barmy Army. The clearest example of a team having the fans as their 12th man!

 

I remember in particular the fairly unimaginative but highly effective "He bowls to the left, he bowls to the right, that Mitchell Johnson, his bowling is shite!"

 

I'd love to see his first deliveries given the traditional goalkeeper treatment "wooooooooooooooh, you're shit, ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh"  

Good to see Clarke being exposed yet again. He's a fantastic batsman but it does seem England have his number now...

 

Here's hoping that the dominance is here to stay for quite some time Judging by our bowling attack it may just be with the likes of Finn and Rankin on the fringe, batting looks potentially strong and it'll be interesting to see how Carberry gets on, just hope Mitchell Johnson isn't going to have one of his 'better spells'... he is a dangerous bowler when on song.

 

Hoping the Barmy Army give Johnson dog's abuse. He's got previous for falling apart under the kind of treatment dished out to Broad and if the Aussies are happy enough to dish it out it would be churlish of us not to reciprocate

Course they don't, its win at all costs.

 

I think the point I was making regarding the Courier Mail is that its seems petty and hypocritical of them to be slating Broad for 'cheating' when their own are well renowned for not walking when they should. Its good that Broad is using all this negative press/abuse/booing towards him to a positive effect.

 

Long may it continue, especially seeing as Broad has admitted he enjoys it

 

Stoopid convicts

 

Our recent superiority over them definitely makes conversations with that side of my family more enjoyable than it was in the 90s!

And the Aussies haven't then ever I take it? Plus its not in the rules, if the umpire hasn't given him out then he doesn't have to walk until otherwise.. plenty of batsmen have done this in the past and they are perfectly in their right to do so.

 

It's a bit like when a referee does not award a goal even though everyone saw it cross the line. Does the defending team ever say "hang on a minute ref, that was a goal" or do they just carry on at the behest of the people officiating the game?

Massively regretted staying up all night around midday today but a few coffees later and I'm planning to do the same tonight. C'mon England!!!

Told ya - hahaha - 4 for Broad, shut the crowd right up.

Go on my son!

 

You can't help thinking the Aussies might reflect on today and realise they picked on the wrong guy!

I asked it on page 3!!! ;-)

And I answered that point on the last page.

Let's just win the second half 4-1 again like we did last time away from home. Come on JET!

As someone who was there, this doesn't ring true - anyone else agree/disagree??

Very audible on commentary with many occasions of "advice" being heard to be offered....even whilst ahead 1-0.

I don't quite agree with those who say he failed at Championship level. Any manager worth his salt will do a bit of research and note in his two spells in the Championship, he had one at Doncaster where he played in between midfield & attack and impressed & one at Ipswich where they stuck him out the way on the wing & by-and-large he failed to impress.

 

Back in his correct position, playing between midfield & attack, he is now showing exactly what he can do & I think it's naive to think there isn't a lot of Championship clubs that could accommodate him in a 451 or as a deep lying striker in a 442. If they sign him to stick him on the wing then they deserve the P45 that will one day come their way.

More likely that O'Driscoll spends half his life whining to the Post instead of getting on with his job.

 

Part of which is conducting interviews with the press?

A lot of people are still not getting it. The club statement was very clear. They want to create a family atmosphere at the club, and anyone who acts or behaves aggressively is simply not welcome at the club.

The warnings have been clear, not least after the Cardiff game. The club have a zero tolerance policy on this matter.

What amazes me is that so many people think that the club (or the police) won't follow through with their threats.

What else does the club need to do?

 

Well as others have mentioned, not use photos of fans committing a criminal offence for publicity to show the passion of the fans. I'm sure if I was arrested for simply entering the field of play I would be arguing that the club turn a blind eye to it on occasion and promote it on others and it requires a consistent approach for the charge to stand. Something or other about precedent. But in the first instance I'd ask my brother for some free advice.

No way, you don't get out of it that easily!

Have you ever been on the pitch at the end of the season? If so you should follow the club's wishes and ban yourself for life too. Looks like I will be saving myselfa shed load of money!