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2 hours ago, transfer reader said:

That was Millenium Stadium era 

Ah yes, of course it was

Accrington Stanley are the only current league side, after Crawley will.

Hartlepool never have & missed out because of Christian Roberts, at Ashton Gate & then had their covid period play off final at Ashton Gate, but are obviously currently not a league club. 

1 hour ago, Colemanballs said:

This is becoming tedious and will be my last post on the subject. According to the Oxford Dictionary, 'most' can mean 'almost all'. In the context which KITR used it, that is the only reasonable meaning. 

From NTTDS's post re: MOTD:

I would prefer if it was shown as two separate matches. Most of us do know the outcome of the games.

Would changing 'most' to 'more than half' change the meaning?

No. Its the same thing. The majority - most.!

Please don't bother replying - you are right - it is tedious.

Enjoy the sunshine

7 minutes ago, Colemanballs said:

You are simply wrong.

"The main difference, which will be the focus of this paper, is that ‘most’ tends to be used to convey proportions higher than ‘more than half’. More specifically, while ‘more than half’ is usually used for proportions right above 50%, ‘most’ is used for proportions that are significantly higher than 50%."

Carcassi, F. & Szymanik, J., (2021) “An alternatives account of 'most’ and 'more than half’”, Glossa: a journal of general linguistics 6(1): 146. doi: https://doi.org/10.16995/glossa.5764

 

You have just used someone's opinion to back up your belief, rather than the factual.

Mathematically, 15 IS most of 25.

Definition wise - I think quoting the Oxford definition holds more weight than whoever you have quoted. 

MOST - greatest in amount, quantity, or degree.

15 is 60% of 25. That leaves 40% remaining- so no other alternative can exceed that of 15. Therefore 15 is most of 25.

That's not an opinion, it's a fact.

Someone else's interpretation of how many they would regard as most of 25 is irrelevant, because, like it or not - 15 is & always will be most of 25..!

54 minutes ago, Colemanballs said:

You are. 15 seasons does not constitute 'almost all' of 25 seasons which is the reasonable meaning of 'most' given the context in which KITR used it. 

Looking forward to all the apologies to WSM from all those who got it wrong...

"Almost all" & "most" can be 2 very different proportions of whatever total you are discussing.

Most - would be anything over 50% ie: can't be more of the alternative.

Almost all - is more subjective, but you'd probably be expecting 90%+

No idea what the initial comment was specifically - but nobody owes WSM an apology for his stating that "15 out of 25 is not most" - because it is. Fact!

2 hours ago, W-S-M Seagull said:

Nope cos I dont agree that 15 out of 25 is most. 20+ would be most. 

You going to apologise to the numerous posters that you constantly call thick? 

If the alternative total can't  possibly more than the amount in question, then how is it anything other than the most..?

To nor agree with a basic mathematical fact only shows complete ignorance on your part.

Some things come down to one's opinions - this isn't one of those things & you are wrong. 

It was supposed to clear up "clear & obvious" errors - now it takes apart hairline decisions & even looks for things that haven't been seen.

I've always thought it should be limited to an amount of reviews per team, pear match/half (similar to tennis)

Let the managers decide what is important & when to use their review quota.

If they waste those on petty quibbles then they lose the opportunity for bigger decisions later on.

Beyond that, it is awful & takes too much emotion out of the game.

I'm really not looking forward to it coming to our level.

Celebrating a goal, only for it to later be ruled out because someone nowhere near the ball happened to be spotted doing something irrelevant is an absolute nonsense. 

A quick glance at the linesman should be all that's required to see if a goal will stand or not.

Maybe review off the ball incidents & red card decisions to ensure they are correct - but beyond that, let the referees do their job , with a quota of 2 or 3 optional reviews per team or something like that. 

49 minutes ago, kingswood red said:

October 2006. More a reader than a poster.

A voyeur...!

19 years for me.

20 minutes ago, phantom said:

The space was indeed originally for a screen, no idea about the roof theory, but this is bigger than what would have fitted originally 

Nothing they do anymore surprises me 

Oh that's disappointing.....

I was hoping to see that's they'd ordered, paid (via Klarna, obviously not all in 1 go) & then taken delivery of it - before they realised it was too big for the space they had for it.

Just now, glynriley said:

Mate, let it go. You got your wish, Pearson is gone. 
 

I will say though, Tinnion took over a squad that had reached 2 consecutive play offs, was allowed to bring in players like Brooker, Stewart, Heffernan and Bridges, and still only slightly bettered Pearson win percentage, who was operating in a higher division with huge budgetary restrictions. 
 

As I said, you wanted Nige gone for a while, he’s gone now so you can enjoy Brian running the club again. 

I never though that NP was doing a particularly good job (with the team) I understood his impact away from the playing side.

I don't think I ever called for his head - I just questioned if we were going anywhere under him & if he was getting the best out of players - his record was pretty poor here generally & our dreadful home form, inability to string any results together were getting tedious.

I thought timing was questionable, but not the overall decision to replace him.

What I can't fathom, is the way his tenure here is looked back on by so many (mainly on here, in fairness)

This a great forum for an opinion, so long as it's in line with what the vocal few think... present facts to question some of the opinions of situations & you get the everyone constructive face palm emoji from people who can't construct an counter to back up their own opinions... love it.!

Tinnion - absolute disaster who should never have been given the job & left with most people pitying him for the blight on his CV & impact on legendary status at the club....

MP - 61

W - 22

D - 22

L - 17

Win % - 36.07%

PPG - 1.44

Pearson - one of the best managers we've had - the big name that many had craved, who was outrageously replaced with some people still fawning over his departure now.....

MP - 131

W - 42

D - 31

L - 58

Win % - 32.1%

PPG - 1.2

Well that's a little awkward..!

2 minutes ago, Jose said:

Comparing Tinnion and Pearson as managers. Yep I was right. You haven’t got a clue. 
 

One a failed manager and a player who spent most of his career in league one compared to one with promotions and who played a part in a team winning the Premier League. 
 

Un*******believable. 
 

Oh it took all of two seconds to find out how much of a failure he was. If memory wasn’t enough. 

Comparing their time here - not their overall managerial career...

I'm looking it up now & it seems that the "failure" (I agree, it was) of BT's time in charge here wasn't all that different to NP's time here.

5 minutes ago, Glen hump said:

Pearson has more football knowledge in his todger than Tinnion has .

I see your affection to NP goes beyond just his press conferences then....

I'm glad you've had the opportunity to aquaint yourself with his todger

5 minutes ago, Davefevs said:

You could try Google - Bristol space city space manager space stats enter

Funnily enough I did that.!

Transfermarket didn't list anything on the page it gave me & I wasn't that fussed about looking around for it.

It just made me wonder how their stats might compare - seeing as there is some weird love in with NP, from some, yet Tinnions reign was a complete disaster.

It would be quite interesting to see Brian Tinnions managerial stats here - which were generally regarded as a disaster - compared to Nigel Pearsons.

Of course, they both managed us in different divisions, but then our squad would have been equivalently different.

I don't know how they'd actually stack up as Tinnions stats don't seem to be easily found - but I know for a fact that Pearsons were underwhelming.

EDIT - also, on topic, has he not just tweeted a couple of factual references to the season just gone..?

Academy players coming through - true.

Finished higher than we have for several years - true.

Progress..? Questionable I suppose - but factually correct. Of course he's going to look at the positive slant in his assements. 

Next season, with a summer window & pre-season under his belt, is the only fair way to judge LM.

Personally I think he has done OK generally. Certainly alot of work to do & improvements to be made - but there were also some encouraging signs aswell.

Next season will be interesting.!

10 hours ago, Malago said:

The bloke we loaned from Rangers who did his ACL 5 minutes after coming on for his first appearance.

That doesn't make him a bad loan signing - just an unlucky one. 

On 27/04/2024 at 09:21, JBFC II said:

Just for context on the ‘meaningless’ nature of those 6 games.

If we’d lost all 6, we’d currently be a point off the drop zone, with one win in 12 and a very real possibility of relegation. Would they have been meaningless then @W-S-M Seagull?

Likewise - if we'd have followed up that Southampton win with wins against the beatable trio of QPR, Sheff Weds & Cardiff, with all other results being the same, then we'd be going into the final game just 1 point off the play-offs.

We aren't a million miles away from challenging. 

1 hour ago, Son of Fred said:

Then 'we' are mugs....

Although we know already

Not if we are competing against a 3 year offer.

I don't think that's something we should be considering for him. 

1 year, definitely. Possible an agreeable option on a 3nd year, based of appearances/availability during the 1st year. 

I'd certainly offer him something that suits us - that then depends whether that is agreeable to him.

Probably 1 year on a salary that fits our budgets.

Problem being that he'd walk into any league 1 club on a 2 or maybe even 3 year deal.

Plenty of other championship clubs would snap him up on a year or 2 deal.

We'd probably need to offer him 2 years to stand a chance of getting him to sign it - so it really depends on whether we see value in that or whether we are confident in investing that wedge in a younger player.

MJ has been excellent for us & I'd love to see him stay, but I think he'll get better/longer offers from elsewhere & that will sway him into a move away. 

1 hour ago, SirColinOfMansfield said:

Rather than go for an open-top bus tour to celebrate the end of the season, they have decided to go for a simple plaque instead ...

I find it hard to believe that this is genuine, as there are no spelling errors!

2 minutes ago, Johnny Musicworks said:

If Plymouth and Birmingham win and Wednesday get a point then Blackburn need to get something at Leicester.

Agreed. Logistically it would be good if Brum & Plymouth stay up & Sheff Weds are a far more appealing fixture than Blackburn (way better away support aswell)

Having said that - it would be somewhat pleasing to see Birmingham finally drop down to the humiliation of a league trip to the Mem.!

What will be will be & with 4 teams battling to avoid the drop on the final day, it will make for interesting twists & turns as the matches unfold.

16 hours ago, JBFC II said:

We're now exactly 4 months on from this.

What exactly was that 'something' that was happening back in December? I must have missed it?

Oh come on..! 

How can any of them not be overwhelmed by the excitement if winning 2 of their last 11 games.

Results aside, they can be even more excited about having scored an aggregate total of 4 (four) goals during those last 11 games.

If that isn't something to get the juices flowing with excitement, I don't know what is..!

There is "something special" happening. Goodnight Gasheads.!

1 hour ago, Alessandro said:

There’s a few on here using that win last night as justification to say they’re vindicated for their strong support of Manning - and sticking the knife those who’ve, rightly ImO, been critical of an otherwise underwhelming, and at times little streaky, reign under Manning so far. 

As I said in another thread, the last 4 ‘results’ have been very good - but in those 4 games we’ve been the beneficiary of some poor finishing (Vardy) and top keeping from Max (v Sunderland in an otherwise pretty poor showing) and we were literally gift wrapped 4 goals last night.

So all I’m saying is, within that nice run, it’s not all been perfect sailing - we’ve ridden our luck at times and despite the clean sheets we’ve continued to give away big chances, statistically that will catch us up.

That’s not taking away however from a big improvement from Manning, playing a footballing style that is better suited to the squad finally and more akin to what was suggested the club wanted when they appointed him. Hopefully that means he has adapted (voluntarily or otherwise) which would be very good news. 

Big improvement but as I say, I’m not celebrating anything yet….long way to go. 
 

EDIT - I dare say the results uptick have also been helped in part by the return of a player we don’t have next season too…

Manning himself always says don't get over excited by the wins & don't get to down about the losses.

If only some of our fans would actually listen to him & let him get on with his job.!

It's too early to judge him properly. He needs a summer window & a pre-season with the squad.

Of course, it can take much linger than that still - but it will be interesting to see where we are around Christmas time, half way through next season & a good year under his charge.

It looks like this season should see an improved points total on any season since LJ was here, so that's progress, albeit slow & steady.

36 minutes ago, JBFC II said:

We've scored more goals in our last 100 minutes than they have in their last 950...

 

We scored more in injury time tonight than they have in the last 7 games..!

22 minutes ago, Alessandro said:

Yes it’s nice win but you’re absolutely right.

I don’t think you can understate how poor Blackburn were tonight.

If a team wins 5-0 either you’re meeting a hugely talented attacking team or the losing team have capitulated.

Given the fact we’ve only won a game by more than 2 goals 3 times all season and only 8 teams in the league have scored less goals than us…

Add in Blackburn’s current bottom 6 form and the fact they have the 2nd leakiest defence in the league.

Suggests more of the latter.

A nice win yes, credit for that - but IMo people probably shouldn’t get too carried away though on the back of tonight…

 

Aren't most people basing in on the last 4 (certainly) possibly 7 games.? Not just tonight.

After the Cardiff game I was properly pissed off at how dreadful we were.

Swansea, I actually think was deliberately cautious to stop the rot.

Ipswich - at least we competed.

West Brom - wasn't great, but now looks like a blip in the run, rather than reverting to type.

What makes you think anyone is basing it on 1 game, when we haven't conceded a goal in 4 games & taken 10 points from the last 12 available..?