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31 minutes ago, cellist said:

He can't go on loan to a league side outside of the window

So why wasn’t he loaned out during the window then? It’s piss poor planning from our DOF amd management team.  That’s not ‘beating with a stick’ it’s just plain common sense planning.  

35 minutes ago, Northern Red said:

I don't disagree based on what I've seen, but clearly that's not happening so what is he meant to do in the meantime?

I guess I’d answer it in 3 parts.  
 

a) I’d rather he stayed and was coached by Manning as to what he wants from him going forwards.   Learn from the seniors whilst they are still here.   Get on the bench and get minutes 

b) If that isn’t happening then I would want and EXPECT our DOF and his team to have worked on him getting a decent loan in January. League 1 clubs would’ve picked him up and top league 2 at worst.  This is a player with champ experience this season.  
 

Z) if the new manager doesn’t want scenario A and the incompetents can’t arrange scenario B then I’ll take him going on loan and playing mens football. But National League south? **** me.   He’s better than that and he should’ve been managed better.  Much much better.    

Just now, Northern Red said:

Would people rather he played or didn't?

It's obvious that he's not considered to be ready for the first team here.

I’d rather he be given opportunities here NR - especially over the likes of Mebude. 

Really really disappointed and makes no sense whatsoever to me,  but we will see like you said.  I know at that age Idve been more than disgruntled with what’s happened,  from first team squad and sometimes playing under one manager to being discarded by the replacement coach who is supposedly so much better at developing players, you wouldn’t be human if you didn’t feel something was amiss here tbf.  But I hope the lad takes it as an opportunity and shines.  

18 hours ago, supercidered said:

I've been having nightmares about Fam scoring the winner and tapping his head in front of the South Stand.

Oh bugger.   Now you’ve done it!! This will be like a visionary version of an ear worm until 2.30 Saturday when hopefully it’ll have gone away! 

21 minutes ago, Bat Fastard said:

I believe that Steve, Jon and the FD are all chartered accountants. Nigel and his two coached departed as well as Rennie. Given where Rennie had moved from, I doubt if he was cheap and Nige would have been paid according to his status as a senior manager brought in to do a difficult job.  Their replacements were a lower league manager and his coaching buddy.  Now, I think it seems to fit that 4 expensive types out and two cheaper types in, seems to suggest that economies were part of the agenda.  The three accountants did not seem to weigh the importance of experience of the sort they lost when Nigel departed.  Maybe you think that Manning and Hogg were more expensive  in which case, if you are right, then I would be shocked and surprised.

You’re seriously still pushing this bollocks? 

Leicester

Leeds

Ipswich, Southampton, West Brom, Norwich/Hull in play offs.  

City 15th on 52 points (24 points off of top 6 / 13 points off relegation) 

QPR, Wednesday and Rotherham down.  

3 minutes ago, TV Tom said:

Nothing excites me to be honest pre or post Pearson, just wish people would get behind the new manager, i'm as frustrated as the next man with our constant inconsistency but i think it's crazy calling for his head after 3 months particularly when his record this season is no worse than NP's

Fair enough.  We were promised improvement though. That what we were seeing under NP just wasn’t anywhere near good enough.   And we just haven’t had it. At all.  For many it’s regressed if anything. And Manning has had better resources for the most part (another reason let us not forget that Pearson was apparently sacked - for conditioning issues, time players had been given off as opposed to being ‘on the grass’ etc).  
Hence some people (anmd a growing number it seems) are asking whether this move has been for the best and debating a way forward.  But I think you know all that anyway.   I was just replying to your saying that we were shit that day. We weren’t.   I walked away with my head held high.   There was no bickering or murmurs in the crowd. People understood.  The only shit show that day was the Welsh police and the kettling at the station! 

11 minutes ago, TV Tom said:

Another woeful performance, as i remember just one shot on target

It was actually a really good performance from mostly squad members and kids (James, Knight Lebel and Yeboah all featuring out of necessity).   We even had more posession and better passing stats - something that seems to ‘excite’ a few on here about the current set up.   

Just now, REDOXO said:

However I can see a scenario where Tinion makes himself manager. 

He’s dim af but there’s no way on gods Green and Blue Earth that he ever re appoints himself (although if he did it would be ******* hilarious for everything that would come with it)! 

1 hour ago, Gaseater said:

I’ve been on here less than a week that’s enough for me, what a shitshow - you spend your life on here, I genuinely feel for you. Decent posters on here must be long gone. 

As opposed to you, who’s evidently so desperate to be on here as much as possible that you make up new usernames and new IDs to try and circumnavigate previous bans. The only shit show here is you. 

2 minutes ago, Red-Robbo said:

 

Well, what makes it worse in Tinnion's case is he isn't officially DOF. He's just a sort of eminence grise who we've gleaned is fulfilling that role. A bit like a consigliere in a Mafia family!  

To make matters worse, we haven't got a defined CEO either.  

I'm sure if I looked hard enough though I'd find some other ex-players not to mention failed managers (most managers fail somewhere) acting as DOF.  In fact, aren't the 15ers appointing their retiring 36-year-old defender as just such?  (OK, I know, you said 'successful clubs')

Yeah - key word was successful .  Something I just don’t ever see us becoming under this regime unfortunately,  they don’t have the self awareness, the ability to admit mistakes or the footballing intellect (or any intellect in the case of BT and JL) for it to happen under their watch. 

2 minutes ago, Red-Robbo said:

Yes. Many owners have their relatives on the board, sometimes as chairmen. Ex-players often return to clubs in all sorts of roles. Minor admin and stewarding roles are often filled by relatives of those already employed by the club.

Not suggesting it's a great model, but it's widespread. 

With respect, Admin, stewarding etc aren’t really relevant to how I read your point.
 

I can’t think of any successful clubs that have an ex ‘legend’ and failed manager as their DOF? 

31 minutes ago, Red-Robbo said:

TBH it's like that at the vast majority of league clubs.

Is it? 

18 minutes ago, CityCiderEd said:

Seriously hoping we don't turn into a 'Watford' type club.....it really doesn't work. 

Yeah, promotions are terrible! 

19 minutes ago, Ashton Fete said:

Stop putting it all on the players and start doing some learning yourself or at least admit when you’ve got things wrong. 

This is the big worry for me atm.  Take some responsibility.  All the best managers do.  All the shit ones don’t.   That’s not just football, that’s all areas of life.   

1 minute ago, Gaseater said:

It is when there is another poll asking pretty much the exact same question.

It’s not asking the same question. 

3 minutes ago, Gaseater said:

 

I have doubts many people do, still a pointless poll.

In terms of a discussion on a forum dedicated (mostly) to our club it’s not pointless though is it? 

13 minutes ago, Gaseater said:

A sea change amongst the otib posters who make up 0.05% of the fanbase.

You honestly think it’s just OTIB posters who have doubts?  Delusional.  

He has until the end of the season atm for me and that’s because of cup performances and two very good league performances.   But lose next week and I’d need to reassess.  It’s only 3 points but feels like it represents a whole lot more atm, for me at least.   

33 minutes ago, Charlie BCFC said:

Pearson in the 2020/2021 season lost 3 on the bounce and 4 on the bounce just in the first couple of months of him being in charge. Manning on the other hand won 3 league games on the bounce which Pearson never was able to achieve

Things were ever so slightly different then weren’t they?  Not sure why people keep comparing the absolute shit show that Pearson inherited with what Manning has to play with now.   Not that it matters.   We are where we are now but if you are going to argue about Pearson and take up the past at least acknowledge the fact that things were very different then.  

8 minutes ago, Rossi the Robin said:

You’re back! 

Who is it? Lez?

26 minutes ago, The Coach said:

Cardiff at home next who picked up 3 points today. Lose that game and it’s going to be even more horrific than tonight. Not sure what leg Manning then has to stand on.

He needs to get something from that game big time to stop the ‘talk’ now - two abject performances which have  been utterly depressing.  Hopefully we get another Southampton type performance but that feels miles away atm. Fingers crossed though because if we lose next week it won’t be pretty!  

7 minutes ago, downendcity said:

Listened to Talksport briefly today and they were discussing that Torquay have gone into administration.

The journalist they had on was talking about their owner, and he ( the journalist) commented that what fans want from an owner is that they leave the club in a better situation than it was when they took it on.

Given all the negativity surrounding SL and recent events, allied to many fans apparently wanting SL to sell the club and make way for a new owner it got me thinking.

If SL sold up tomorrow do you think that he would be leaving the club in a better situation than when he became the owner?

 

Depends. Who knows how he will leave it. Lots of variables to go yet.  Taking it that he sells us fairly (which he will I think) then the infrastructure is better than he inherited but for me that’s about it (and I’ve gripes about how he’s done that also).  Given the money he’s spent his tenure has been an abject failure on the pitch. Just my opinion.   

1 hour ago, Mr Popodopolous said:

I occasionally look at other forums and while I don't have much time for Millwall, this sounds familiar. Some of the same complaints, some of them go further as is their way but basically giving away fans too prominent a position.

The two occasions I went it was top tier only, has that changed?

https://millwallonline.com/forum/threads/away-fans-at-the-den.55241/

Yep we were in the lower tier, right next to their lot in the adjoining stand in August.   Made the stoppage time  winner even more enjoyable!! 

5 minutes ago, The Coach said:

And that is what the Lansdown’s want.

We are simply a cosy club. We will not shake off that tag until under new ownership. 

Beat me to it.   It’s exactly what they want.  Same with LJ…….those that challenge fall by the way side.   But we all know those stories already…... really hope Manning betrays his nice person demeanour behind closed doors, as and when it’s needed.