MarcusX

23 hours ago, Down Town said:

So not actually announced yet?

So he is the latest in the MarcusX to keep repeating something until it becomes real?

I like the bold line above, interested that you have used it many times now

Hey? Think you mean @markcarter

I'm not sure I've kept repeating anything that wasn't true - but regardless, at the point this was posted it had already been leaked that lockdown was coming, it was obvious.

1 hour ago, Alan Dicks' Barmy Army said:

I find it amazing all the people claiming the leagues won't be finished, what exactly are you basing this on?

The actual number of positive tests is miniscule, much is preventative measures to stop contact with these players etc.

Miniscule? Hardly (relative to the history of cases in this country). 40k and accelerating. More people in hospital than in the worst period in April. 2000 people a day admitted to hospital.

1 hour ago, Alan Dicks' Barmy Army said:

They are typical of someone who doesn't have an actual understanding of what is going on, yet can only see the headlines 

Oh please wise one, tell me what's actually going on

15 hours ago, lenred said:

No chance.  EFL maybe but no way Prem stops. They’ll just have to manage games as they have done so far with Newcastle and now Man City. 

Because one game has been postponed? 

It's not just one though is it. There's been 3? Prem Games, and there were 8 games in total Saturday across the football league

Edit: 7 of today's league one games called off.

On 25/12/2020 at 20:21, S25loyal said:

You know and I know it’s due to the £££, any other work place and it would be closed down by now for not being covid secure. 

I can’t legally go to the pub in a tier 2 area with a mate, but if we were both professional footballers I could man mark him for an hour and a half without a problem. 

I don’t know of any other job where you could stand that close to someone for that long without a daft plastic screen, or a mask etc. 

It’s not just money though, you could go do that on the downs in an amateur football team and pay for the privilidge

1 hour ago, phantom said:

One thing I didn't know until this evening is that there is no testing in the EFL players are only being identified following having symptoms. 

In January all EFL players and staff will be tested  that will be interesting to see what that finds

Well the WSL just found its biggest number of cases, 32 (4% of all tested) which is higher than the past 7 weeks combined

I assume they must be tested regularly?

Bristol tier 3 so no fans Boxing Day 

On 25/11/2020 at 12:05, winsaw said:

Why that's not supported by any of the different scientific groups following the progress of the virus in this country most have models that show by the end of March it will be down to Almost 0 infections for the whole country so why do you think it would be so high in February

This isn't looking so good, still believe it? I think my £50 is safe.

4 hours ago, phantom said:

They are tested as being negative first, there is no threat then

 

Who is?

8 hours ago, Henry said:

Can I book to go with a mate or does it have to be my household?

Most team's terms I've seen are household only. Haven't seen City's though as I cant go but I'm sure it must be answered on the website

1 hour ago, The Horse With No Name said:

Presumably with the relaxation of rules now for Xmas Day only, Will fans not now be allowed in the Gate on Boxing Day ?

Why? That was Xmas bubble, nothing to do with football rules.

1 hour ago, Loco Rojo said:

Surely these new announced measures are an indication that no fans will be returning to games? And if football still allows it, why would people want to risk it? Zero chance of containing this new variant of the virus by verbally telling people to stay in their area especially if they spotted signs of this back in November. Very worrying and hopefully the Vaccine works against this new strain. 

They shouldn't be, but that's another argument I guess. If we're told it's so bad that everyone's xmas plans need to be changed again then I just don't understand the allowance of fans returning to football. You can see your family on Xmas day only but the next day you can go to football? Madness.

I was told on here football was "covid safe" because of the restrictions in place, but you watch on the TV and the distancing looks suspect, people have their masks off or round their chins and they're singing/shouting which they're told not to. 

On 18/12/2020 at 15:31, Lew-T said:

They’re charging £25 for the FA Cup game with Pompey...

 

On 18/12/2020 at 15:38, Selred said:

2,000 fans. Still need a lot of stewards, still have to pay for the ticketing system, and have to pay for more cleaners.

More fans, less cost per head for these things.

It's not unreasonable with 2,000 fans. That's only £50,000. AKA about 5 players wages for a week.

Isn't cup gate receipts normally shared, dont know if that's still going to happen in this circumstance but if they have to do all that and share the receipts then you have to wonder if its even worth opening up to fans? I bet they'll actually profit very little from it

7 hours ago, lager loud said:

 

It sounds to me like you’re determined to do what you want and finding a way to justify it.

the guidelines we’re all living by are pretty clear. “I’ve decided what I want to do is low risk” is your name Dominic Cummings?

I’m just glad not everyone is deciding to do what they fancy based on their own idea of what’s right.

24 minutes ago, lager loud said:

I think if you look at the the “Latest available” version, the SI you’ve linked to has actually been superseded by later legislation (it's not been easy to keep up this year). To be fair much of the wording in later legislation is the same - but I don’t believe the legislation says the things you ascribe to it.

I don't feel attacked - no issue there; and I set out what I did to explain my thinking rather than to justify it. I agree that keeping to the rules for a certain period of time doesn’t give me a pass to break them occasionally when it suits me.

I’m also not someone who would generally look to find loopholes in the law to exploit. It’s clear what the intention is. But ultimately I have to do what the law says, not what the guidance does; and as I’ve explained, on this occasion I’ll probably stick to the law rather than the guidance (I hadn’t quite decided earlier, but had a conversation with my wife this evening). 

Anyway, I need to sign off now, as I have work, involving a 6.30 alarm, tomorrow morning. Thanks for engaging.

Latest version appears to be: https://www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/2020/1374/contents

In terms of meeting with your family as you've mentioned I would have thought it would be covered here: 

(2) No person living in the Tier 3 area may participate in a gathering outside that area which—

(a)takes place outdoors in a place which satisfies the conditions in sub-paragraph (4) and consists of more than six people, or
(b)takes place in any other outdoor place and consists of two or more people.

IMO if you have to debate this much about whether it's allowed or not, purely based on intepretation of the law, than common sense says you probably shouldnt do. You're obviously going to, but if everyone made the same choices where would we be? Might as well let everyone do whatever they want?

33 minutes ago, Selred said:

Just spoke to my mate who's a copper. So breaking tier rules comes under the Health Protection Regulations 2020. So it is law. So that means a tier 3 cannot go to AG, or pubs etc in lower tiers.

 

However you can meet people outside in tier 3 (didnt check that with the copper) in public places I expect, so doubt you'll have an issue there. Plus you're taking precautions anyway. 

The issue is travelling to that tier 3 area, but I don't know if that's set in law. It's definitely against the guidance and again, it's not about what you can get away with, it's about what you should do.

31 minutes ago, lager loud said:

Cheers. I still haven’t seen the Tier 3 rule that prevents going to footy, but as I’m not planning to go to the footy I’m not going to worry about that!

It would be covered by the fact that you should not travel from Tier 3 to Tier 2 unless essential, that's quite obvious.

Even playing football locally we're not allowed to play against a tier 3 team and anyone from tier 3 in our team isn't allowed to play for us.

21 minutes ago, lager loud said:

Yes. I understand that the guidance is that there should be no unnecessary travel. But I don’t believe there's actually a law against travelling.

I’ve complied with both the letter and the spirit of the law throughout this year (whilst regularly observing others ignoring both); I have very few social interactions ATM - I do one day of work a week, when I might encounter perhaps 20 people, with appropriate social distancing and other precautions, and apart from that, see no-one else in person apart from my wife.

I might therefore just decide that as long as I’m not breaking the law, the risks involved in my wife and me spending a few hours in our car and maybe an hour walking around a park with my family are low enough for me to ignore the guidance on this one occasion. I’d argue, for instance, that it’s a lower risk than going to the gym, which is permissible but which I haven’t done since March. I accept that travelling to Leicestershire is against the spirit of the recommendations, and accept that other people would disapprove and would make a different decision.

I’m not sure there's any distinction made in the guidance between travelling to watch sport and travelling for other leisure purposes. And I don’t know what leads you to say that it would be OK to travel to Tier 2, say, to see my family, but not to go to AG. As ever, happy to be educated if there’s something I've missed.

As far as I can see, tier 3 restrictions are enforcable by law: https://www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/2020/1105/part/3/made

The guidance is clear, you should not travel to or from tier 3 unless essential e.g. work/education/care. If you're not sure, they are here: https://www.gov.uk/guidance/tier-3-very-high-alert

I don't want this to come across like I'm personally attacking your decision, but just because someone's observed the rules that are in place doesn't give someone a pass to break one when they decide they've had enough. We've all had enough. That said, obviously common sense dictates that the exact scenario you described would be "safe" and you'd be unlikely to get caught. 

Also your note about the pub is wrong too. Someone should not be travelling from tier 2 to tier 3 to go to a pub. It may sound silly if it's at the end of the road, but if everyone did it then what would be the point of the restrictions?

As for the distinction between watching sport and travelling for leisure, again, you're not allowed to do either from tier 3 to 2 or vice versa. Again, you can only cross those tiers for specific reasons and watching sport or leisure is not one of them. The note about following your own tier rules if you do travel is for those people travelling for the specific reasons. E.g. if you travel from a tier 3 to a tier 2 for work, you shouldn't then go to the pub or somewhere in that area that you couldn't do in your own.

Tier 2 restrictions specifically say you should not travel to Tier 3, but that you can travel within your tier or to tier 1 (however you'd follow your tier 2 resrictions in those areas e.g. you could travel to cornwall but you couldn't go inside with a group of 6 people)

7 hours ago, lager loud said:

Is this right? My understanding is that there aren’t any restrictions as such on travelling: gov.uk talks in terms of advising people not to travel and I can’t see anything in the legislation banning travel between tiers or more generally.

Someone who lives in Tier 3 remains subject to the T3 rules if they travel to T1 or T2:

2) No person living in the Tier 3 area may participate in a gathering outside that area which—

(a)consists of two or more people, and

(b)takes place in a private dwelling or in any indoor space.

(from The Health Protection (Coronavirus, Restrictions) (All Tiers) (England) Regulations 2020).

But I think that still leaves someone free to visit a pub in a different tier, alone or with members of their household/bubble.

 I’m not promoting it, by the way: my interest in the travel rules is not to do with going to the pub (or to AG from South Glos) but to work out whether I’m allowed to meet my Leicestershire-based sister outside somewhere to exchange Xmas presents. Whether that’s a reasonable risk is, of course, a different question, which I’m also considering.

Happy to be corrected if someone can show me the rules.

 

You should avoid travelling into another tier except where necessary, so no you shouldnt be going from tier 3 to tier 2 to watch football

You probably shouldnt be going to meet your family to exchange presentsif they are in tier 3, if it's tier 1/2 to 1/2 then you can.

On 07/12/2020 at 00:06, Harry said:

Question. 
Is part of the covid regs to allow fans back in, that they should be ‘discouraged’ from singing? 
 

I’m not sure but thought I read it somewhere. 
 

If so, why were Liverpool allowed to play YNWA, encouraging the fans to sing? 

Happened in the first games, West Ham played their bubble song. Loads of fans with their masks off singing.

It's safe though, there's restrictions in place! /s

5 seconds of watching MOTD, West Ham fans not wearing their masks and singing 

Those precautions that make it “safe” are going to plan

2 hours ago, phantom said:

Not sure if this is of any use to anyone 

Finally allowed to play, game gets called off for waterlogged pitch 

On 03/12/2020 at 12:28, Davefevs said:

If only it was the Leeds game under Cotts, where were drew 2-2 with Agard and Flint scoring in injury time.

IMagine watching that in a packed Billy's Bar at Elland Road...  Dont know how I contained myself 

1 minute ago, italian dave said:

Except when City score...! 

I’d definitely hugged more people at Ashton Gate, or arguably even more at away games, than I have in my house 

19 minutes ago, MC RISK77 said:

See below, the bit you are after has been drawn over but think it says you will also be able to book up to three other frozen season ticket holders within your household who have not yet attended a match. Please ensure they are part of your friends and family bubble.

 

Looks like friends and family group is a Brentford scheme for the tickets, as opposed to any covid “bubble”

The newer article says same households only, I wonder if that changes the interests of many people here if they had to attend alone?

2 minutes ago, MC RISK77 said:

Sorry if their is another thread on this but if anyone is interested my mate is a Brentford season ticket holder and they have announced plans for fans returning today.

They are in tier 2 so will be welcoming back fans this upcoming wkd.

They have decided that they will go on a rota basis depending on how long you have held your season ticket.

So therefore the 2000 fans who have had a season ticket the longest will get the opportunity to attend the first match then it will snake down to the next 2000 etc.

My mate only got a season ticket this year so his first eligible game will be Bristol City on Jan 2nd

Anyhow like I said may interest you or not, but if city adopted a similar approach do you think their would be many objections?

 

 

Only 250 pages or so

Does their rules state who they can attend with? Assume by themselves / same household only?

2 hours ago, Bar BS3 said:

So did I..! 

That must make playing St the moment even more unusual and difficult for the players. 

Goes to show the level of professionalism needed, because you really wouldn't know from lack of effort. 

I actually think that’s going under the radar a little. I know people say they’re professionals they should be able to adapt etc but once you’ve scored in front of a crowd it’s a whole different experience to do it in an empty ground. The atmosphere probably gives a lot of players the buzz and a bit of an edge too.

I guess on the flip side it allows some players to express themselves more and less nerves 

Quite interesting, not sure how I’d feel about one of my team mates being that worried about his camera in the build up and during a game? Ok when you’re winning maybe but not if he starts making howlers.

I thought the crowd noise was played into the stadium, I guess not?

14 hours ago, phantom said:

 

Post regarding Shrewsbury (cut to save space)

Pretty clear then you can only attend with your household or support bubble, not you plus 4 friends. I wonder if that changes anyone’s mind about going to football? Or if they’d just lie about it.

21 hours ago, wayne allisons tongues said:

Been told that all  football below if your in Tier 3 will be behind closed doors if league restarts no matter what level your in.

Tier 2 clubs can have crowds but no food or drink can be served.

 

I thought that would be fairly obvious as tier 3 can’t have fans

However I feel for non league clubs, having played those levels as well I full understand how important it is for them to have match day revenue.

Unlike my thoughts on league clubs, most non league grounds (especially below the national league) are completely outdoors and have far more space than they will require. Also they were already open before.

That said, I also think non league is where you will see less adherence to the rules. These clubs tend to have big communities and everyone knows each other, i don’t think it’s likely they’ll stay away from each other at the games. We’ve already seen videos of Fa cup games where everyone rushed together to celebrate or even ran on the pitch to celebrate with players.

Also the clubs can’t afford to have as many stewards as they may require to police it effectively and how do you stop away fans travelling to games in tier 2?

On 27/11/2020 at 07:43, RedM said:

There has been a lot said about ventilation. The scientists at the briefing with Boris yesterday mentioned being indoors and having all the windows open (yeah right, people are going to sit around the Xmas table and have a blast of arctic air around Grannie). So I guess all the exit doors would have to be open in the concourses, manned by stewards or barriers I guess to stop people gaining entry if they are ticketless. There are some very big shuttered doors, easily big enough to drive a large vehicle through so there is plenty of scope for ventilation in what is always a cold area anyway. 

Maybe so, but if my pub opens the doors and ensures good ventilation (like they’ve been mandated to do to be covid secure) I still can’t go there with anyone outside my household - so are we making exceptions for stadiums?