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We've been crap today so far

When we win today we'll be 6 points off the top after 12 games 

3 hours ago, Robbored said:

I’ve had a gut feeling all week that B’muff will lose their unbeaten status this afternoon with a City 2-1 win.

No rationale behind it whatsoever…………….

Lets hope I’m right.       

Yep I have that same feeling. We will win  

9 hours ago, Stortz said:

I must agree with this. There's always an element of overexcitement after an entertaining bout, but people are really losing their sense of perspective imo.

I love Tyson, and he's clearly the best HW of this era. I'm absolutely delighted he won, and he did so in imperious style- but this wasn't a truly great fight, because it was too one sided. You can marvel at wilder's obstinance, but Tyson was in total control from round 5 on. It wasn't much of a contest in real terms- the same as the 2nd fight.

I can't see Fury wanting to retire atm. A fight v Whyte from his perspective is very easy money while he potentially awaits the winner of the Usyk Joshua rematch.

 

Just to counter that a tad, it's pretty rare to see a 10-8 round followed by a 7-10 round, and I think the 5th was interesting because Wilder went in for the kill but Fury turned the fight back round his way. 

It was very entertaining, especially if you're a Fury fan. But it wasn't a fight for the ages or an epic as has been described.

3 minutes ago, Lew-T said:

Is today the day?

Yes.

2 hours ago, And Its Smith said:

Amazing kit. Love it. Won’t be buying as grown men wearing kits is a bad look but will get one for the lad 

I've got a theory though that the longer you hold onto a shirt the cooler it gets. So as an adult if you buy every new home shirt, put it away for 5-10 years, then when the time is right, unwrap it and go to games looking retro and trendy.

I've got to say I very rarely buy kits and I don't practice what I preach!

On 14/10/2021 at 18:27, Kid in the Riot said:

I've seen Old Trafford even been mentioned as a possible venue. 

In theory Whyte should be fairly straightforward for Tyson, but I'd agree that I really think he'd struggle to get up for it after the Wilder trilogy. And that complacency is a worry. 

I do wonder if he's seriously considering retirement. He dodged the question when asked after the fight. 

Yeah agreed on all fronts. I was going to suggest Old Trafford as I think he's a Man U fan of sorts, but I don't know if it's complicated in the football season.

Eddie Hearn desperately wants Whyte v Fury. He reckon it sells easy, sells out a stadium and gets 1.5m ppv in the UK so he's just seeing lots of pound signs.

I've run a few marathons and every time I'm running it saying to myself 'I'm never doing this again!' Then at some point I convince myself to sign up for another one with all the discomfort and inconvenience of four months of training and everything else that goes with it. 

After such a difficult time personally, a disrupted training camp and an exhausting fight, I wouldn't be at all surprised if Fury felt like boxing wasn't worth it anymore. But I could also see him being persuaded, especially when his six kids start doing his nut in!

2 hours ago, Super said:

Not sure a fight with Whyte will interest Fury,Think Fury's dad has already said this.

It might not, but I think it's in his best interests. Firstly, it keeps him fit and active, which will help if the Joshua fight comes along next Autumn. Secondly, it'll be a ruck but he'll probably win. Thirdly, the fight probably generates more money than the match up deserves and he gets the lionshare. Fourthly, he can stick a rematch clause in as insurance. Fifthly (?!), he gets to be the hero. He can easily wind up Whyte to make him out to be Dillian the Villain, and they could even do it somewhere like the arena in Manchester if he wants to get the North West support in tow.

2 hours ago, Phileas Fogg said:

Really enjoyed the fight at the weekend. Was a great spectacle and Fury rightfully getting loads of plaudits now.

Will be interesting to see where he goes now - looks like it could end up being Whyte whilst he waits for the winner of Usyk vs Joshua. You'd have to fancy Fury against Whyte - I just hope it's in the UK. Would be ridiculous if a big British fight like that happens in the states. All that being said, I don't think it's a given that Whyte gets past Wallin.

I think out of all the current crop, Usyk could be very difficult for Fury. His boxing brain and ring IQ matches and possibly exceeds Fury's imo, just lacks the natural physical advantages Fury has. 

Could be an interesting 12 months in boxing providing there's not too much interference from the politics of the sport. 

The Whyte fight is mostly dangerous for Fury in that he could get complacent. Whyte on the other hand would be completely focused and see it as a career defining fight. Whyte is also so aggressive that there's always a chance he could do you damage.

I think the fight sells though. It's a domestic fight and the build up would get very lairy. I think Fury would try to play on Whyte's emotions and there could easily be a tussle or two for the cameras.

Fury v Usyk is an interesting one. Six foot three fifhters look small against Fury and I think he'd try to be the bully. Bunce reported that Fury said Joshua needed to "make himself big again" in the rematch which suggests he thinks you should make size count.

16 hours ago, P'head Red said:

 Thought Odowda looked quite bright from the clips showed.

https://youtu.be/DILYp7wbkKk

Matty James was having a shocker! Kept losing the ball 

33 minutes ago, Kid in the Riot said:

Not at all mate, I rate Fury very highly. I think he probably is the best heavyweight in the world at the moment. However, I still think there is a caveat that if you strongly believe that to be the case then you must rate Wilder as the second best and until I see Wilder and Fury in the ring with other genuine contenders then I think the jury is out. 

On social media over the past 24hours I've read that Fury is:

- the current best p4p boxer in the world

Has to be Alvarez for me

- the greatest heavyweight of this era

I'm never sure what an era is but in terms of the 21st century, there are only really the Klitschkos and Fury currently in the conversation. Fury did beat Wlad, albeit not a prime Wlad. So the question is what CV does Fury need to rise above the Klits? In a post Klitschko world Fury is number 1.

- the greatest heavyweight of all time

That's daft

- the best British boxer of all time

Also daft - but only Lennox is above him in the British heavyweight list.

And they say AJ is over-hyped!! 

Ah, got you. 

I think you could have an interesting debate about two of those examples, as above. 

33 minutes ago, Kid in the Riot said:

And how many times has Wilder knocked down Fury? Last night twice again, and it sounds like he may well have been saved by the bell at the end of R4. "Severely shaken" if you like. Even Fury's brother admitted after the fight he was shitting it. 

Fury has won two of the three fights comfortably but taken a fair bit of punishment in fights 1 and 3. 

I was thinking back earlier to before Fury first fought Wilder and most of the talk was that Wilder was a one trick pony and a really poor boxer. Now Fury has spent the last 4 years fighting him, and no-one else of note, he seems to have been elevated in some people's eyes to not only the current best heavyweight but also one of the greatest of all-time. You gotta laugh

Sorry, I know you're not responding to me there but I think you're massively underestimating Fury there, and he's rated by all the knowledgeable people in the boxing world.

1 hour ago, wayne allisons tongues said:

Was the 3 knockdown rule part of the fight. The bell may of saved Fury in rd 4 if it was.

It depends on the boxing authority (state commission) but you don't see it often. 

14 minutes ago, Fordy62 said:

AJ versus Wilder would be an interesting one. I’m not sure AJ could’ve got up from the canvas like Fury did last night. And if he did, he’d have just had that “I know I’m going to lose” smile that he does. 

It's okay because it's "all about the process..." 

Joshua v Wilder would be great fun.

I'm not sure how AJ would approach Fury though. What tactics could work for him? 

If Joshua tries to box on the backfoot and counter punch then Fury could bulldozer him with his footwork, reach and lethal one two.

If Joshua tries to fight on the inside and slug it out he needs to land the big punch otherwise he's going to tire very quickly.

If Joshua tries to stand tall in the centre of the ring I think he gets out boxed a la Usyk.

AJ has the punching power to beat any heavyweight but tactically I don't know what suits him v Fury. 

3 hours ago, Bouncearoundtheground said:

 A trilogy worth its salt in any era 

Absolutely  

I could happily sit down and watch them back to back and not get bored! Great dance partners.

2 hours ago, 2015 said:

To think Wilder took Fury to court just to get knocked out again. 

I know you're just teasing but the 4th round showed that Wilder and Finkel almost managed a masterstroke getting this fight. Not to mention the fortune they both made from the fight (again).

13 hours ago, Phileas Fogg said:

Whenever I've seen people suggest AJ should just "walk Usyk down" or "bully him" I remember this clip - Usyk showing exactly why that is far easier said than done.

https://twitter.com/Raderecht02/status/1444299774367354883?s=20

Obviously when you have the power and physical advantages that Joshua has it's possible, I just think mentally he's scarred from those defeats and Usyk is just on a different level.

If the fight is in Ukraine, which looks unlikely but strictly speaking it should be, Joshua has no chance. He's spent his entire career fighting as a home fighter with a stacked deck - would be great to see him up against it for once. 

That's an embarrassing clip for Joshua! I think with a stinging ramrod jab, some swarming and some inside work he can grind Usyk down, but hey we'll find out sometime in April. Can't wait!

2 hours ago, Gazred said:

Probably not that close in reality. All their players are at top flight clubs. Would be fantastic if he could though.

Current midfielders for France U21:

It's ridiculous that Camavinga still plays for their U21s because France needed him at the €s. Massengo should be in there instead.

3 hours ago, Phileas Fogg said:

Agreed

You think? What about Joshua's confidence, he got absolutely outclassed. Losing against Ruiz in a shootout is one thing, but he was made to look levels below Usyk. It's all well and good people saying that he shouldn't let Usyk "find his rhythm" or walk him down.. but what if he just can't do it against Usyk as his movement and ring IQ is too high.

I'm not sure Joshua will be able to mentally overcome this, but even if he loses against Usyk there are still big fights out there for him. Joshua vs Fury or Whyte will always sell well. 

Look, I've been very critical of Joshua over the years. I thought he was very underwhelming in most of his fights after Klitschko, which it appears to be the point where he decided to try to mutate from a heavy-handed fighter, to more of a boxer. It doesn't help him. He over-thinks. Paralysis by analysis. 

When you've got huge power like Joshua has, it makes sense to be the bully, not to try to engage in a chess match.

Usyk is a fantastic boxer, and yes he would be successful in slipping and sliding and pot-shotting early in the fight. But AJ has to turn it into a brawl to change the dynamic and I think he could grind Usyk down if he did that the right way.

Fury actually told Bunce he and the Kronk team could train Joshua to win that fight and I don't doubt that, because that style would suit Joshua.

1 hour ago, Rob k said:

 

He deserves his moment and he'd have a punchers chance at least.

Fury v Whyte would work well at Spurs or Wembley and I think Fury would school him.

I still think Joshua should win the rematch v Usyk if he fights the right way, as in using his physical advantages and a more aggressive mindset. Firstly AJ needs to sit on his punches. Don't let Usyk find his rhythm; smother, wrestle and bully Usyk. Lean on him, make him have to dance around the ring.

49 minutes ago, Moments of Pleasure said:

Anyone over 50 remember Billy Woof? Played for Middlesbrough, early 80s. You think I make this up, but it's true: Mr and Mrs Woof of Gateshead had a boy in the 50s and they called him William.

Anyway, he's in my Great Name X1 along with Steve DEATH, Reading keeper in the 70s.

1. Steve DEATH

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6.

7.

8.

9. Billy WOOF

10.

11.

 

I could use some more (come on, it's another tedious international break, with not enough to moan about with the City as we speak), help me out here ....

I don't want to credit Swinetown but Danny Invincible is a strong name.

Marvelous Nakamba is one of my current faves.

I don't really dislike him, a/ because that goal where he flicked the ball to spin in the air then smashed the volley top bag was one of the best I've seen live, and b/ I was shocked and delighted when we got a lot of our money back by selling him which I thought was very unlikely. 

2 minutes ago, Davefevs said:

All about the body parts me….pretty sure it’s why Bents sports a hairy chin.

It's a bit of a Jimmy Hill tbf!

28 minutes ago, Davefevs said:

But ultimately, I find myself being more entertained by this side than the past 2+ seasons.

1000% agree (big percentage!)

And that was such an entertaining game in the round that it's not worth is over analysing it imo

14 minutes ago, Davefevs said:

He caught his (rather large) chin on the post saving a deflected cross ()….and Nathan Thompson stood in his hand….it looked accidental.

Good to hear it's not just Chris Martin's arse that captures your attention!