formerly known as ivan

2 minutes ago, And Its Smith said:

Is there any point in ignoring the cup games when analysing Manning?  Or is it moaners ignore and happy claps include?

Personally I would include every game 

Its points per game… not sure how you want to include points gained by cup results in that??

Slightly related… just reading about the lad who scored for Leeds yesterday had a message for his mum, who had passed away earlier in the week, under his shirt and was booked for showing it when celebrating.

Is there no room for compassion in the game???

30 minutes ago, Lew-T said:

 

That’s literally nothing! You can see the trouble is over the other side of the ground from this. One fan getting a slap or two

Seen a lot of videos on social media but nothing in terms of fans fighting. Mainly scuffles with the police and one bloke having his head smashed open, presumably from the police.

Looks like they are doing alright without him anyway.

I wonder how much arrogance is involved that he will be gutted to see them winning!

Not sure if I missed something in terms of Murphy being injured, but not featured at any level since joining us as far as I am aware.

Not in the U21 squad for today’s game.

If he is injured, do we know how long he is out for? If it’s not injury related, how come he isn’t involved currently?

Of course it’s unprofessional! They pay his wages, how can he refuse to play.

The only Sunderland fans who will agree with him are those who still believe they are a big club and have a right to be in the premier league. They have been petty ever since Beale was appointed. 

Manning had mixed reviews when joining us but Sunderland were embarrassing about Beale.

Given the way the league is looking, strange time to announce it.

Basically, I no longer have Salah from this season on so I want out!

13 hours ago, 1960maaan said:

You absolutely are, I doubt anyone says it's perfect but it's a tactic he's obviously told to use and saying,

Is not in the real world. No one would "Drop it on Pring’s head" every time , OLeary probably hit him 2/3 times and missed a couple. I remember one lead to a break from a flick, but the ones going straight out stand out over those that Pring challenges for because it is frustrating. 
Ederson & Pickford are probably 2 of the best , they each cost £30M+ , not sure you can expect the same from Max.

I would like to think they would be working on it , as much to give him another option so he doesn't have to play that ball as much as actually improving his accuracy .
TBH I was more annoyed/disappointed with the long floated clearances that screamed for a big CG to win. I'd love to see him strike a ball like Ederson, much lower trajectory that give defenders less chance to set, but I don't see that happen regularly any time soon. 

So you think Max is being coached to smash the ball over Pring’s head and raise his hand in apology each time? If he is then whoever is coaching that deserves a pay rise as they have taught Max to be very good at it.

All I am saying is Max’s kicking needs to be drastically improved. If this was then he’d be a much better all round keeper and someone I’d be more than happy with sticking with.

2 hours ago, 1960maaan said:

Show me a keeper who can 100% of the time, hit a player from 50 yards and that's the point. 
He can put it in an area and be 2 feet out and it's over Pring's head. A midfielder puts a through ball 2 feet in front of a chasing forward and the crowd go OOoo unlucky. 

I'd like to know how many headers Pring challenged for against how many of those balls went straight out.

Not 100% of the time, just now and again would be nice.

49 minutes ago, MelksRed said:

Especially the "worldie" against West Ham - Was surprised to see that he didn't get  thread of his own - he did mke a few errors that day too  - reticence to come an collect / missing it when he did. 

He has been pretty solid of late - if we can maintain that and improve his kicking I'd be a happy camper....

You’re not allowed to criticise his kicking apparently…

5 minutes ago, 1960maaan said:

That's the alternative, guarantee it's in play but give the CB heading practice or aim for Pring where if it's slightly overhit it goes out. Until (if ever) we have a team totally comfortable getting the ball from Max and playing out successfully , we will have balls played like this.

But playing the ball out the Pring isn’t a bad option. The issue is giving Pring no opportunity to win it. Drop it on Pring’s head to flick it on. Don’t keep kicking it 10 yards over him and giving possession back easily.

Excellent bit of keeping and in general an excellent shot stopper. That has never been in question. Look at West Ham away and home to see that.

But as said many times before, there is more to goalkeeping nowadays. I think yesterday was one of Max’s worse days for kicking. Constantly smashing it out over spring’s head. When he tried to adjust he was booting it straight down the throat of their centre half. Then there was the goal at Preston last week.

He will do until the summer but certainly an area we need improvement in going forward. There is just too much value in a keeper nowadays in more aspects than catching a ball.

39 minutes ago, Kid in the Riot said:

I know a couple of Wednesday fans and I've always thought they were a good bunch. Much nicer than their city rivals. 

But after the Bradley Lowery incident, and now this, I'm starting to wonder. 

 

Ridiculous! If he was being that bad then call him a **** and move on. They really are trying to justify racism!

The line, “I don’t condone any racism whatsoever but…” is absolutely disgusting. 

20 minutes ago, Graham76 said:

Slack Vyner wasn’t on his game yesterday, but was excellent vs West Ham 

I thought in general Zak was decent yesterday defensively. They had a big old unit up front and Zak won most challenges both physically and aerially.

But his choice of passing and execution was shocking. Has been for a while and will probably be the one thing that holds him back from playing any higher.

Does Mehmeti’s development get blocked by Twine’s short term stay here? Personally I thought Mehmeti was have his best run of games for us since you joined a year ago.

I was surprised to see Mehmeti not play any part today. Thought he could have come on for Knight and add spark in the last 10/15 mins or so.

Racial abused at Shed Wed today. Video of it is pretty condemning. Vile act by the person involved. Genuinely what goes through peoples minds???

If you went today, or 99% of other home games on a Saturday afternoon, based on the social media videos vs West Ham home/away, you’d have thought you were at the wrong ground…

The biggest risk with loan signings is the potential lack of commitment when they are not tied to the club for more than a few months. Twine’s goal showed that won’t be a problem. His determination and commitment to win that header was as good as anyones.

Biggest criticism would be the number of times he tried to clip the ball from left to right into the box which was easily cleared every time. It was clear it wasn’t working.

This lad will be 20 by the end of the season. By no means old! But at that age nowadays you’d have expect them to be in and around the first time.

Not always the case I know. Pring didnt break through until couple of season ago. Forget he is 26. But that tends to be the exception rather than the rule.

Given the aim is premier league football in a couple of years (I know it’s wishful thinking!), I assume we look at this kid as some with the potential to play at that level?

11 minutes ago, Malago said:

You can add Mehmeti’s inconsistency to that list.  So frustrating.

Thought he was having a good game

Few things to mention…

They haven’t mentioned the Williams tackle so assume there is nothing to discuss.

Vyner loves a dodgy pass along the back line.

MO’L is an accident waiting to happen.

Has been a regular for Hull. I know they have signed Carvalho from Liverpool on loan but you have to wonder what’s in it for Twine unless he was told his game time at Hull was going to be minimal?

Stupid question, I guess you can scan the bar code in the emailed ticket rather than actually having to print it? I don’t know why this wouldn’t work but thought I had read you had to print it?

Think this is where I am now with the club. Not surprised at today’s result. Accepted that will be how it is until the end of the season. We will pick up wins, lose a few as well. Performances will be up and down. Probably much like of Pearson were still in charge.

I have been a harsh critic of Manning. Not because of him, but under the circumstances he came in under and the comments made by the hierarchy at the time.

Do I see us progressing under Manning? Not really. Is it exciting football? Not really. But I do hope he brings in a couple this month to adjust to the club and indeed championship football if anyone is making a step up. We can then push on from the summer with a clean slate and prove me wrong.