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  1. 19 minutes ago, !james said:

    https://www.twtd.co.uk/forum/524079/page:1

    The penny is dropping for some of them!

    But my favourite comment:

    "Nobody has had their head stuck in the sand over Ashton. Some people prefer to take people as they find them, rather than rely on the views of a bunch of weird Bristol City window lickers whose club has not exactly roared up the league since he left."

    So that simpleton doesn’t understand that the biggest issue with Ashton is that the problems his type cause aren’t just immediate but are the type that get embedded in the club and take years to rectify. They deserve everything they get if they’re too stupid to see that for themselves.

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  2. On 13/10/2021 at 12:11, IAmNick said:

    Nobody is "telling" you, specifically, anything. You're not understanding.

    Amusingly you are the terminally offended here.  You're looking at discussions of our entire society and trying to apply them to yourself personally.

     

    With "Stop and search" above, saying that massively more black people get stopped isn't saying no white people do, or that if you're white police wont target you unfairly.

    It'd be like saying "1/3 people get cancer but I haven't got cancer. Are you trying to tell me I do?".

     

    People are saying that in general if you look across all of our society then black folk have a measurably more difficult time.

    That is NOT saying:

    - ALL black folk are poor, or ALL black folk have a difficult time in life

    - ALL white people have an easier life than ALL black people

    - White people DON'T have difficult lives, or live in extreme poverty, get discriminated against, and have widespread problems we need to tackle, and so on

    - An individual white person will always have an easier life than a black person

     

    Why do people feel the need to take things so personally? I'm white, and accepting that we have systematic issues in our country isn't a negative thing for me, and doesn't make any struggles I've had feel easier or ignored or whatever. Why does this bother you so much?

    It’s because it’s being used as a means to disadvantage people that are already disadvantaged, but not because of their race.
     

    As an example, Avon and Somerset Police didn’t prevent rich white men from joining, they prevented two hundred white men without any consideration for their so-called privilege or lack of. It’s appalling that this is so accepted, Colin Port should have been sacked. Instead the practice was dropped and instead Port started campaigning for a change in the law, using the same tax money paid by the people he was discriminating against. And you can argue it was only two hundred guys, but those two hundred will now be hearing nonsense about how privileged they are and how they may have troubles but it won’t be because of their skin colour.
     

    People take it personally because making sweeping statements about privilege and advantage is judging people by the colour of their skin and not the content of their character.

     

    On 13/10/2021 at 13:25, Wiltshire robin said:

    It’s the same 4 or 5 accounts that literally turn every thread into a woke political thread too. This forums rarely ever about football now and more about certain posters telling users of this forum how privileged they are ( even though a lot are from working class backgrounds) . You can guarantee the ones spouting woke comments are from upper middle class backgrounds and have no clue what being working class and white is like .

    A study in the US found exactly this. They can feel guilty if they want, but excesses of virtue are worse than excesses of vice as the former isn’t subject to the regulation of conscience. 

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  3. 18 minutes ago, sglosbcfc said:

    All of them, by being born white in the UK you have an unearned advantage over black people. Of course you have to factor in class as well, a middle class black man (rare, but they exist) will have some advantages not enjoyed by a working class white man. However, the white man isn't going to be called a n******, is less likely to be pulled over by the police, followed by shop security, turned down for a job etc etc

    ?”Less likely”, you’re comparing averages. Humans don’t experience averages, they have individual experiences.

    White men will feature high in stats in suicide, work place deaths and serious injury, homelessness, be victims of “positive”(:laugh:) discrimination, more likely to move for work, more likely to be denied access to their children, more likely to lose their home during divorce, more likely to be stopped and searched by the police.

    Another question (indulge me), is stop and search racist?

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  4. 10 minutes ago, sglosbcfc said:

    Groups with privilege, like many white males, will feel threatened and defensive when that privilege is challenged. Realistically, we all know that racism and sexism will continue to exist in British society whilst even the youngest on this forum live. However, for SOME not ALL white males, BLM feels like a threat and a challenge to their 'top dog' status that they are not ready to relinquish. That is before we start on classism. Surely everyone on this forum can agree that life is a hell of a lot easier for a white, middle class male than it is for a black, working class woman for example.

    How many white males have privilege? 

  5. 10 hours ago, Wanderingred said:

    Can only echo what’s been said, that we shouldn’t be giving thugs a platform. They have absolutely no right to take the moral high ground in anything, given the damage they have caused to our club and city’s image over the years.

    I don’t buy their story anyway. What exactly were they protecting the cenotaph from? Why would BLM protestors want to damage a war memorial? They just wanted an excuse to flex their muscles and hopefully get some agro. 

    BLM protestors damage memorials all the time, including trying to set fire to the flags on the cenotaph. They’ve also abused soldiers that have cleaned up the mess afterwards.

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