The Casual Connoisseur Posted February 25, 2009 Report Share Posted February 25, 2009 What happened to innocent until proven guilty? There are 3 different versions of what happened here, firstly City Fans smashed the bus up after the game, secondly it happened before the game and thirdly Reading smashed the bus attempting to attack City fans. My opinion would be, lets concetrate on the fact that 4,500 hundred City fans travelled and supported their team in what was a superb win and leave the 5 that got released without charge to the evening post to procastinate about. 0.001111111111% the number of City fans arrested at Reading on saturday. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redgal Posted February 25, 2009 Report Share Posted February 25, 2009 A friend of mine was on the bus that got damaged! From what he could see there was no reason why the city fans were smashing the windows! They just smashed them, jumped out and ran away! Maybe they saw this an opportunity to show their masculinity or maybe it was just for amusement etc........ Shall we all go to their houses, smash all their windows and run away!!! Lets see how they'd react to mindless vandalism against THEIR property! god these type of "fans" really do p*ss me off!!!!!!!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Portland Bill Posted February 25, 2009 Report Share Posted February 25, 2009 One of the blokes who got arrested was 48 years old! What an embarrassment to his family - smashing up buses with a bunch of 17yr old chavvers He was released without charge, so he didnt do anything. You should write for the sun Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
red man dan Posted February 25, 2009 Report Share Posted February 25, 2009 Two things: It seems to be quite a few people are asking why would City fans do this? They didnt have any reason to do so, so maybe it was reading, maybe it didnt happen? Blind hope and too much benefit of the doubt IMO and again a inate reaction to look for anything other than the sad truth, that in all likleyhood, the moron 'fans' of BCFC have landed the club and its rep in trouble...again. Why is there ever a 'reason' for mindless vadalism and thuggery? Some people are just idiots who unfortunately enjoy it....so thats their 'reason'. Secondly alot of people have alluded to there being no charges and therefore that suggests maybe there was nothing in it, or that it didn't happen. Again, charges NOT being processed is not an indicator of whether it happened or not, the police will have had to have make a decision on the worthyness of carrying on their investigation(it would, as with all inquiries have been time consuming and masses of work). They may have known exactly who and what happened, but having just 'evidence' but not the right 'evidence' would put a stop to taking it any further without having to make a big enquirey out of it, would it have been worth it for them? i doubt it, considering it was a Saturday night coming up and in a major City the last thing they would want is Officers tied up with masses of paperwork over a smashed up bus, when they could be out on the streets on a busy night. Unfortunately thats the reality of it. Charges, are a pick and choose decision in this day and age of policing. As already mentioned, City or not, our name is mentioned and to be honest i doubt they have got it wrong. Well done morons, just adds again to the chances of us having an over prescribed police presence at our games.....and to people moaning about 'what the hell do the police want with us, why are they here?' Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CotswoldRed Posted February 25, 2009 Report Share Posted February 25, 2009 The link also states that they were released without charge... In which case did they actually do anything or is there more to it??? THEY may be innocent, but the bottom line is a bus (or buses) did get smashed up by someone and almost certainly City 'supporters' of possibly unknown identity. Makes me sick. There is absolutely NEVER any excuse for this sort of behaviour. I take this kind of thing very personally as a supporter who wants to take his young family along. If I was on that bus I'm sure there is every possibility that my children would be quite disturbed by their actions. SCUM, nothing more nothing less. We all pay for it in the end as well with higher bus fares and higher policing costs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest DanC Posted February 25, 2009 Report Share Posted February 25, 2009 THEY may be innocent, but the bottom line is a bus (or buses) did get smashed up by someone and almost certainly City 'supporters' of possibly unknown identity. Makes me sick. There is absolutely NEVER any excuse for this sort of behaviour. I take this kind of thing very personally as a supporter who wants to take his young family along. If I was on that bus I'm sure there is every possibility that my children would be quite disturbed by their actions. SCUM, nothing more nothing less. We all pay for it in the end as well with higher bus fares and higher policing costs.How is it a certainty it was City fans when there is a equal chance it could have been City or Reading 'fans' Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CodeRed Posted February 25, 2009 Report Share Posted February 25, 2009 Inevitably now reported in the EP http://tinyurl.com/d9b9nr You can almost feel them rubbing their hands as they wrote it. CR Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barrs Court Red Posted February 25, 2009 Report Share Posted February 25, 2009 Inevitably now reported in the EP http://tinyurl.com/d9b9nr You can almost feel them rubbing their hands as they wrote it. CR It could be worse............. http://www.thisisbristol.co.uk/homepage/Br...il/article.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fodbarmyarmy Posted February 25, 2009 Report Share Posted February 25, 2009 He was released without charge, so he didnt do anything. You should write for the sun Probably means NOT ENOUGH EVIDENCE.............not nescesarily innocence Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bcfcbs20 Posted February 25, 2009 Report Share Posted February 25, 2009 Probably means NOT ENOUGH EVIDENCE.............not nescesarily innocence but it said police have cctv footage surely it doesn't take that long to watch and identify those involved Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drew Peacock Posted February 25, 2009 Report Share Posted February 25, 2009 Let me get this right. Everything the Evening Post reports is either made up or hopelessly distorted. Whatever the Reading local paper publishes is completely accurate. Or have I missed something? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slartibartfast Posted February 25, 2009 Report Share Posted February 25, 2009 It could be worse............. http://www.thisisbristol.co.uk/homepage/Br...il/article.html. "A spokesman for Avon and Somerset police said: "Officers at the match became aware of a small number of people using racist language" Bloody hell, that means the WHOLE Rovers crowd then ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jordan Tansley Posted February 25, 2009 Report Share Posted February 25, 2009 I know its probably just me being pathetic, but look at those two articles in our one the headline states it as fact that city fans did it, which despite being likely( I'm pretty positive its true too) is UNPROVED conversly, look at the sag headline... INVERTED BLOODY COMMA'S! making it out like its an alligation that is not true. JOKE PAPER WITH JOKE REPORTERS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tunley Legend Posted February 26, 2009 Report Share Posted February 26, 2009 Reading between the lines Reading Police and Reading Buses believe it was our fans who did the damage whether they had enough evidence or willingness to charge them or not. There are certainly no reports of Reading fans being arrested in connection with the incident or the Police looking for other people either. And the CEO of the Bus Company wants some form of compensation from OUR club (which I doubt he will get to be honest). Notwithstanding that it amazes me, although doesn't surprise me unfortunately, that the usual suspects come on here making excuses for the type of thuggery that drags the name of the club through the dirt and ensures a massive police presence whenever we take significant numbers anywhere. We all know we've got a problem with a small section of idiots, whatever happened or not on Saturday, and yet some people either want to sweep it under the carpet or, even worse, condone that behaviour as a bit of fun. Presumably you people think it is a laugh to turn the carriage lights out and beat a couple of opposition fans up just as the train is pulling into Temple Meads (shows how brave they are doesn't it?) whilst the rest of the passengers on the train think football supporters, and Bristol City fans in particular, are just a bunch of violent scum? That is the sort of behaviour that I have witnessed first hand and, as controversial an opinion as it may be to a few on here, I don't think it shows our club in a great light. We all know that the Evening Gas will try and destroy our club in print at every opportunity and all these ######s do is give them ample opportunity. On a side issue I take it that the same people moaning about the Evening Gas on here are the same people who continue to support and condone them by purchasing the rag. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ashton Kate Posted February 26, 2009 Report Share Posted February 26, 2009 Was that the Dolman bus?? Nothing wrong with the Dolman Block G mate WE NEVER leave early!! Ha ha Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Never to the dark side Posted February 28, 2009 Author Report Share Posted February 28, 2009 http://www.getreading.co.uk/news/g/2045785...000_repair_bill Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest djc Posted February 28, 2009 Report Share Posted February 28, 2009 http://www.getreading.co.uk/news/g/2045785...000_repair_bill at bristol city we have a large hooligan element but that doesnt mean they are not die hard city fans and it doesnt make you lot special city fans because you shy away from trouble,I'm sure if we were being escorted in brum on wednesday and got attacked it would be these lads who would step up to the mark I'm not saying smashing buses was right or clever but if every lad that liked a row got banned our home gates would drop and our away support would definately drop Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted February 28, 2009 Report Share Posted February 28, 2009 About the 48 year old, pretty sure he was on our train coming back and if he was we were chatting to him. He said he had done nothing, got off the bus and got a taxi to the game where he got arrested before going in. Was identified by his loud jumper as being on the bus but he said he hadnt done anything and told the police to go through the cctv to prove himself. They havent got time looking at evidence so just banged him up for 5 hours. Let out with no charge tells you everything you need to know. He didnt mention anything about reading fans though having anything to do with it. We will always have a bunch of 16 year old chavs causing grief to innocent people which 99.99999% will not condone - but it will happen sad to say. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jordan Tansley Posted March 2, 2009 Report Share Posted March 2, 2009 at bristol city we have a large hooligan element but that doesnt mean they are not die hard city fans and it doesnt make you lot special city fans because you shy away from trouble,I'm sure if we were being escorted in brum on wednesday and got attacked it would be these lads who would step up to the mark I'm not saying smashing buses was right or clever but if every lad that liked a row got banned our home gates would drop and our away support would definately drop :noexpression: step up to the mark? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pdgifford64 Posted March 2, 2009 Report Share Posted March 2, 2009 at bristol city we have a large hooligan element but that doesnt mean they are not die hard city fans and it doesnt make you lot special city fans because you shy away from trouble,I'm sure if we were being escorted in brum on wednesday and got attacked it would be these lads who would step up to the mark I'm not saying smashing buses was right or clever but if every lad that liked a row got banned our home gates would drop and our away support would definately drop Correction, at BCFC we have a small hooligan element, with small personalities and very few brain cells. It`s 2009 son, not 1980. Grow up. PDG Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest djc Posted March 3, 2009 Report Share Posted March 3, 2009 i would say 500+ lads is a big problem and in the 80s football was a proper day out,not all these plastic fans it makes me laugh because i expect nearly all of you sing the old song if you are a rovers fan surrender or you,ll die what do you plan on doing boring them to death Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jordan Tansley Posted March 3, 2009 Report Share Posted March 3, 2009 i would say 500+ lads is a big problem and in the 80s football was a proper day out,not all these plastic fans it makes me laugh because i expect nearly all of you sing the old song if you are a rovers fan surrender or you,ll die what do you plan on doing boring them to death you're just embarrasing yourself now. I don't want to be guilty of lazy generalisations, but let me guess you have a fight every saturday night in town? and it makes you feel hard and scary acting like a lout? you do realise the people who stand watching that sort of thing are ALL talking about how much of a MORON you are right? people like you are the reason this country is going down the pan, I HATE ROVERS, BUT I HATE CHAVS LIKE YOU MORE. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
red man dan Posted March 3, 2009 Report Share Posted March 3, 2009 i would say 500+ lads is a big problem and in the 80s football was a proper day out,not all these plastic fans it makes me laugh because i expect nearly all of you sing the old song if you are a rovers fan surrender or you,ll die what do you plan on doing boring them to death Proper day out? explain. What is your ideal footballing day out? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lee F Posted March 3, 2009 Report Share Posted March 3, 2009 Proper day out? explain. What is your ideal footballing day out? The thread is becoming a hoolie v's fan thread where there can never be any common ground. It is true that many so called 'Hooligans' are actual die hard fans. It is also not true they are all 'Chavs'. They are from all walks of life and are a massive cross section of the general population. Young,old, married, professional workers, unemployed etc etc. Just like any other fan. The difference is that they also like to have a physical confrontation with like minded people from other teams. You are correct it is not the 80's but it is still a part of football whether you like it or not. It will never be totally eradicated from the game as there are too many people that feel it is a part of following thier team and is an enjoyable part of thier personal matchday experience. I think given the recent changes to the punishments handed out plus the high profile police presence at games the chance of being caught in a random act of hooliganism is extremely high however there is also an underground of real 'Hooligans' who will get their kicks away from grounds and nothing will ever get reported as it is a real 'In the know' situation due to the resulting fallout should they be caught. It is a fact of life that as long as there is football there will be fans who like to fight other fans. It should not effect anyone who chooses to experience following thier team in their own way. I think the issue is blurred when young fans are wearing certain labels of clothing and chant certain chants. Be real, these are in no way hooligans just kids showing off and bantering. The problem is made worse with such large segregated areas and heavier police presence in grounds. If the kids who do it really thought that there was a possibility of the opposition fans getting anywhere near them in a physical way they would not do it, it is just playground antics. It is an issue that has been discussed a million times that has no solution due to people wanting to do their own thing their own way. I am not saying it is right or wrong, but they cannot all be labled Chavs that kick off in town on a weekend! I do not think for one mnute that any fan that chooses to fight opposition fans would be at all interested in intimidating or getting into a row with the general fan from another club. The real hooligans from different clubs pretty much know who each other are and the violence is not a random act. Each to thier own I say, if a group of people want to fight with another willing group of people let them get on with it. It happens week in and week out all over the country yet because a bus has been damaged it is blamed on hooligans without any thought or evidence to proove it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fodbarmyarmy Posted March 3, 2009 Report Share Posted March 3, 2009 Proper day out? explain. What is your ideal footballing day out? Obviouisly a "Bubble match" as thats all so called fans like this will earn us Grow up please its pathetic to hear posters mentioning thuggery like its a duty to the club Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ray White Posted March 3, 2009 Report Share Posted March 3, 2009 The thread is becoming a hoolie v's fan thread where there can never be any common ground. It is true that many so called 'Hooligans' are actual die hard fans. It is also not true they are all 'Chavs'. They are from all walks of life and are a massive cross section of the general population. Young,old, married, professional workers, unemployed etc etc. Just like any other fan. The difference is that they also like to have a physical confrontation with like minded people from other teams. You are correct it is not the 80's but it is still a part of football whether you like it or not. It will never be totally eradicated from the game as there are too many people that feel it is a part of following thier team and is an enjoyable part of thier personal matchday experience. I think given the recent changes to the punishments handed out plus the high profile police presence at games the chance of being caught in a random act of hooliganism is extremely high however there is also an underground of real 'Hooligans' who will get their kicks away from grounds and nothing will ever get reported as it is a real 'In the know' situation due to the resulting fallout should they be caught. It is a fact of life that as long as there is football there will be fans who like to fight other fans. It should not effect anyone who chooses to experience following thier team in their own way. I think the issue is blurred when young fans are wearing certain labels of clothing and chant certain chants. Be real, these are in no way hooligans just kids showing off and bantering. The problem is made worse with such large segregated areas and heavier police presence in grounds. If the kids who do it really thought that there was a possibility of the opposition fans getting anywhere near them in a physical way they would not do it, it is just playground antics. It is an issue that has been discussed a million times that has no solution due to people wanting to do their own thing their own way. I am not saying it is right or wrong, but they cannot all be labled Chavs that kick off in town on a weekend! I do not think for one mnute that any fan that chooses to fight opposition fans would be at all interested in intimidating or getting into a row with the general fan from another club. The real hooligans from different clubs pretty much know who each other are and the violence is not a random act. Each to thier own I say, if a group of people want to fight with another willing group of people let them get on with it. It happens week in and week out all over the country yet because a bus has been damaged it is blamed on hooligans without any thought or evidence to proove it. I couldn't agree more well said that man. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Portland Bill Posted March 3, 2009 Report Share Posted March 3, 2009 The thread is becoming a hoolie v's fan thread where there can never be any common ground. It is true that many so called 'Hooligans' are actual die hard fans. It is also not true they are all 'Chavs'. They are from all walks of life and are a massive cross section of the general population. Young,old, married, professional workers, unemployed etc etc. Just like any other fan. The difference is that they also like to have a physical confrontation with like minded people from other teams. You are correct it is not the 80's but it is still a part of football whether you like it or not. It will never be totally eradicated from the game as there are too many people that feel it is a part of following thier team and is an enjoyable part of thier personal matchday experience. I think given the recent changes to the punishments handed out plus the high profile police presence at games the chance of being caught in a random act of hooliganism is extremely high however there is also an underground of real 'Hooligans' who will get their kicks away from grounds and nothing will ever get reported as it is a real 'In the know' situation due to the resulting fallout should they be caught. It is a fact of life that as long as there is football there will be fans who like to fight other fans. It should not effect anyone who chooses to experience following thier team in their own way. I think the issue is blurred when young fans are wearing certain labels of clothing and chant certain chants. Be real, these are in no way hooligans just kids showing off and bantering. The problem is made worse with such large segregated areas and heavier police presence in grounds. If the kids who do it really thought that there was a possibility of the opposition fans getting anywhere near them in a physical way they would not do it, it is just playground antics. It is an issue that has been discussed a million times that has no solution due to people wanting to do their own thing their own way. I am not saying it is right or wrong, but they cannot all be labled Chavs that kick off in town on a weekend! I do not think for one mnute that any fan that chooses to fight opposition fans would be at all interested in intimidating or getting into a row with the general fan from another club. The real hooligans from different clubs pretty much know who each other are and the violence is not a random act. Each to thier own I say, if a group of people want to fight with another willing group of people let them get on with it. It happens week in and week out all over the country yet because a bus has been damaged it is blamed on hooligans without any thought or evidence to proove it. Very good post,you sum it up very well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barrs Court Red Posted March 3, 2009 Report Share Posted March 3, 2009 Very good post,you sum it up very well. +1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
red man dan Posted March 3, 2009 Report Share Posted March 3, 2009 Each to thier own I say, if a group of people want to fight with another willing group of people let them get on with it. It happens week in and week out all over the country yet because a bus has been damaged it is blamed on hooligans without any thought or evidence to proove it. Whilst i am not debating the point of view the rest of your post portrays, the fact of the matter is this: They are breaking the law. I for one would happily let them go at it if knowone else suffers from it, however it seems that often isnt the case, innocents get caught up in it, regardless of whether the perpetrators want them to or not, fog of war is still prevelent in this scenario. Look what happened in Nottingham a few years back, pubs and cars smashed up, people counting the cost of others 'pastimes', and that is why it is ilegal, it is never victimless. You may say these are NOT the real hooligans, again, as true as this may be the fact remains that whilst the 'real' elements are left alone with 'each to their own' in mind, the foloowers will conitnue to try and emulate them. As you say, the younger 'softcore' element who want to show off may not want to turn up to an empty field to fight one on one, but they will try to portray their 'hooliganism' in other forms such as the 'bravado' of chucking a brick throw a car or shop window or by fighting in gangs that outnumber their victims. This is a by product of the high esteem they hold the 'real' hooligans' in, and as such why the 'real' hooligans' in my opinion still cannot be left alone. I do agree it wont dissapear, however i also don't believe the 'each to their own' approach will work when trying to limit the number of either true or 'wanabe' elements. Whilst you may say that many of the weekend fighters do not spill over to fighting in general, i cant say i believe that is correct for many of them. Violence is a habit and i doubt many who participate in football violence would be too far from trouble if it rears its head in a non football situation. I may be wrong, however those who i have known that are involved, some fairly heavily, in the hooligan scene are most certainly known to be fighting on a regular basis wherever they go and what ever they do, football related or not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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