BCFC_Dan Posted March 12, 2009 Report Share Posted March 12, 2009 So we could be stuck with two bus stop like ends stand which are part of a MK Dongs style build with a 360 degree concourse and sunken pitch. The only difference for a large swathe of the stadium is the uniform single tier is rectangular rather than a bowl. No. The difference is that both sides of the stadium are two-tiered stands with a unique roof design. giving a good impression of distinct stands whilst retaining the practicality and benefits of a bowl. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frome Valley Posted March 12, 2009 Report Share Posted March 12, 2009 No. The difference is that both sides of the stadium are two-tiered stands with a unique roof design. giving a good impression of distinct stands whilst retaining the practicality and benefits of a bowl. Have it your own way and forget what is behind the goals and the lower tier because it is utterly generic design. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BCFC_Dan Posted March 12, 2009 Report Share Posted March 12, 2009 Have it your own way and forget what is behind the goals and the lower tier because it is utterly generic design. OK but I do wonder what you were expecting. I've already agreed that extending the seats in the end stands all the way back to the roof is a significant improvement and I do hope they look into doing that if possible. Otherwise I fail to see what could be done? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slartibartfast Posted March 12, 2009 Report Share Posted March 12, 2009 Why of why have they clad the structure in blue meaninless panels. a bright white background is a magnificent canvas for the imagination. They could have overlaid with meaningfull images, the welsh flag, photo images of past glories, crowd scenes, the list goes on and on. To blandly clad in such tat shows no imagination at all, quite how the planners aggreed to that beggers belief, perhaps he/she is a city fan taking the P!SS. They could have a 20ft high mural of their average fan.... Levi jacket, sta-pressed strides, 18 hole Dm's, woolly scarf round his wrist and a mullet! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedLionLad Posted March 12, 2009 Report Share Posted March 12, 2009 They could have a 20ft high mural of their average fan.... Levi jacket, sta-pressed strides, 18 hole Dm's, woolly scarf round his wrist and a mullet! There are a few of those in Brislington :noexpression: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhatWill Posted March 12, 2009 Report Share Posted March 12, 2009 Have it your own way and forget what is behind the goals and the lower tier because it is utterly generic design. The reality is it's a mixture of bowl and individual multi-tiered stands. The overall design cannot be described as generic. You accuse BCFC Dan of forgetting what's behind the goals and the lower tier yet you are quite clearly ignoring the design of the two side stands and upper tiers! doh! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frome Valley Posted March 12, 2009 Report Share Posted March 12, 2009 The reality is it's a mixture of bowl and individual multi-tiered stands. The overall design cannot be described as generic. You accuse BCFC Dan of forgetting what's behind the goals and the lower tier yet you are quite clearly ignoring the design of the two side stands and upper tiers! doh! I made comaprisons to Milton Keynes 360 degree concourse which the upper tiers will be merrily sitting on so I am hardly ignoring the upper tiers but they are hardly original and governed by the FLA's green guide regarding rakes, number of seats to exits etc. The strong facia is different but it's one striking point is the designs half finished feel. It's very hard to ignore 50% of the stadium which is utterly generic e.g rake, continuos rows and part of one uniform tier double dohs x x. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bringbacktherobin Posted March 12, 2009 Report Share Posted March 12, 2009 Ok, is this a fair statement then 70% of our new stadium is the same boring soulless bowl as MK-Dons, thats a fully acceptable statment then yea? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
edson Posted March 12, 2009 Report Share Posted March 12, 2009 Ok, is this a fair statement then 70% of our new stadium is the same boring soulless bowl as MK-Dons, thats a fully acceptable statment then yea? Why is a bowl soulless? If you mean, our ground also has seats facing the pitch in sequential rows, then yes, it's the same. But I imagine there would be even more complaints if the seats were placed at random angles facing the car park. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BCFC_Dan Posted March 12, 2009 Report Share Posted March 12, 2009 Ok, is this a fair statement then 70% of our new stadium is the same boring soulless bowl as MK-Dons, thats a fully acceptable statment then yea? It may be a fair statement (I don't know the exact ratio so I can't say if it's correct or not) but it's also a completely stupid and pointless one. Human beings share 97% of their DNA with monkeys but it doesn't make them the same thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave_kirik Posted March 12, 2009 Report Share Posted March 12, 2009 Yep -Its in the car park next to Ninian Park.... yeah you can see it alright, i remember pointing at it and singin "what the ###### hell is that" when we played them away this season Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cyderman Posted March 12, 2009 Report Share Posted March 12, 2009 Why is a bowl soulless? If you mean, our ground also has seats facing the pitch in sequential rows, then yes, it's the same. But I imagine there would be even more complaints if the seats were placed at random angles facing the car park. Not forgetting all those other soulless bowls that plague the world of football- the Nou Camp, Wembley, the Maracana... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhatWill Posted March 12, 2009 Report Share Posted March 12, 2009 Ok, is this a fair statement then 70% of our new stadium is the same boring soulless bowl as MK-Dons, thats a fully acceptable statment then yea? Nooo. You're getting that 70% just from counting the seats I'm guessing. The lower tier is undoubtedly very similar to MK Dons Stadium. But the overall form, massing and design of our stadium both internally and externally will look nothing like their ground. Are the pictures not enough for you or do you want me to explain every little thing that's different to you? I ain't got the time I'm afraid so pics will have to do! I assume you've visited MK Dons to come to the conclusion that the lower tier is boring and soulless? What was it like? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bringbacktherobin Posted March 12, 2009 Report Share Posted March 12, 2009 The lower tier is undoubtedly very similar to MK Dons Stadium. I assume you've visited MK Dons to come to the conclusion that the lower tier is boring and soulless? What was it like? No, the design is the same, look at photos. No i havent been to a game, its from other fans reviews of the ground. Wembley is really a hive of noise isnt it, just take the play off final and england games, noisy or what!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bringbacktherobin Posted March 12, 2009 Report Share Posted March 12, 2009 Why is a bowl soulless? If you mean, our ground also has seats facing the pitch in sequential rows, then yes, it's the same. But I imagine there would be even more complaints if the seats were placed at random angles facing the car park. Or if you look at the photos its the same design as MK-Dons. The 22,000 BOWL section of the ground is the same as MK-Dons. O look its the same, even the tunnel is in the same place. Mk Dons Home end is the same as ours, there is no other way of looking at it. Our new home end is nothing special, nothing new, its not one of a kind. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
edson Posted March 12, 2009 Report Share Posted March 12, 2009 Yes, I've seen it. It has rows of seats facing a large, rectangular grassed area. As does ours. As I have said and suggested in another thread, I would like to see the seats continued back over the concourse in the home end. But I have no idea if that is feasible. Other than that, I think our stadium is a nice design with a lot more thought and design element in it than MK Dons'. Of course there will be elements that are the same or similar, but to try and say it is basically the same is clearly a nonsense. 'Soulless bowl' is a phrase I hear a lot, but that I still don't undertsand. Explain what 'soul' is to you, in a building. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bringbacktherobin Posted March 12, 2009 Report Share Posted March 12, 2009 Of course there will be elements that are the same or similar, but to try and say it is basically the same is clearly a nonsense. So our 22,000 bowl section is different to MK:Dons 22000 lower bowl section in which way? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest DanC Posted March 12, 2009 Report Share Posted March 12, 2009 Yes, I've seen it. It has rows of seats facing a large, rectangular grassed area. As does ours. As I have said and suggested in another thread, I would like to see the seats continued back over the concourse in the home end. But I have no idea if that is feasible. Other than that, I think our stadium is a nice design with a lot more thought and design element in it than MK Dons'. Of course there will be elements that are the same or similar, but to try and say it is basically the same is clearly a nonsense. 'Soulless bowl' is a phrase I hear a lot, but that I still don't undertsand. Explain what 'soul' is to you, in a building.They have took Mk Dons 22k bowl and the concourse and slapped two side stands on to it. I would say the 22k bowl is exactly the same, Not one little bit different. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BCFC_Dan Posted March 12, 2009 Report Share Posted March 12, 2009 So our 22,000 bowl section is different to MK:Dons 22000 lower bowl section in which way? Nobody is saying it's different. Sensible, rational people are, however, saying that it doesn't matter because the stadium is more than just the lower section so the stadium taken as a whole (as it always will be) is entirely different. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bringbacktherobin Posted March 12, 2009 Report Share Posted March 12, 2009 Nobody is saying it's different. Sensible, rational people are, however, saying that it doesn't matter because the stadium is more than just the lower section so the stadium taken as a whole (as it always will be) is entirely different. So I'm being irrational because i and others would like a home end that isnt the same as others? And a roof that isnt as high as the dolman. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robbored Posted March 12, 2009 Report Share Posted March 12, 2009 Explain what 'soul' is to you, in a building. Not easy. Maybe be better to reframe the question and say what 'soul' in a building is not. Namely - cold, uniform, bland and uninspiring. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BCFC_Dan Posted March 12, 2009 Report Share Posted March 12, 2009 So I'm being irrational because i and others would like a home end that isnt the same as others? And a roof that isnt as high as the dolman. No. But to draw all your conclusions from an assertion that parts of the ground are similar to other football grounds really is quite irrational, not to mention illogical. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bringbacktherobin Posted March 12, 2009 Report Share Posted March 12, 2009 No. But to draw all your conclusions from an assertion that parts of the ground are similar to other football grounds really is quite irrational, not to mention illogical. But why does the club need to lie, e.g the low roofs, saying that it wont be the same as other grounds. When the part of the ground i will wish to sit in IS the same as other clubs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frome Valley Posted March 12, 2009 Report Share Posted March 12, 2009 No. But to draw all your conclusions from an assertion that parts of the ground are similar to other football grounds really is quite irrational, not to mention illogical. It would be very hard not to look at Stadium MK and not see very clear themes emerging? There are certainly traits present within Citys design particularly with the bottom tier similar to many new designs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DavidNoble Posted March 12, 2009 Report Share Posted March 12, 2009 Looks a tad like the Sir Madjesky. Still a very poor effort. Whoever has to design them obviously just whacks a picture of another bowl and scribbles about with it. Mind you ours probably won't look much better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bris Red Posted March 12, 2009 Report Share Posted March 12, 2009 Looks a tad like the Sir Madjesky. Still a very poor effort. Whoever has to design them obviously just whacks a picture of another bowl and scribbles about with it. Mind you ours probably won't look much better. I'm not the greatest fan of our new design, but it will look a LOT better than Cardiffs thats for sure. They have all the same issues we have and more. They don't have a proper home end like we don't, but to top it off they don't even have the two tiers either side to give it that little bit of something different. At least we have that! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DavidNoble Posted March 12, 2009 Report Share Posted March 12, 2009 I'm not the greatest fan of our new design, but it will look a LOT better than Cardiffs thats for sure. They have all the same issues we have and more. They don't have a proper home end like we don't, but to top it off they don't even have the two tiers either side to give it that little bit of something different. At least we have that! But Steve Lansdown knows what alot of us want 1. Four individual stands good for atmosphere 2. I personally would want the classic floodlights 3. Good facilities 4. A proper home end, east end you could say 5. NO BOWL! I admit it is hard to design a stadium and i do love Steve Lansdown i just don't feel happy with our design. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bringbacktherobin Posted March 12, 2009 Report Share Posted March 12, 2009 But Steve Lansdown knows what alot of us want 1. Four individual stands good for atmosphere 2. I personally would want the classic floodlights 3. Good facilities 4. A proper home end, east end you could say 5. NO BOWL! I admit it is hard to design a stadium and i do love Steve Lansdown i just don't feel happy with our design. You cant say that on here, your being irrational and not logical. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Economou Posted March 12, 2009 Report Share Posted March 12, 2009 http://www.cardiffcitystadium.co.uk/ Notice that the seats in the Stadium spell out Cardiff and not Cardiff City. Think this is because they are sharing with the local rugby club. Imagine the outrage if we were to move to the new Stadium with just Bristol on the seats!! Are Cardiff Blues really leaving The Arms Park ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Gow Posted March 12, 2009 Report Share Posted March 12, 2009 Those blue and white panels look terrible Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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