Frenchay Red Posted February 7, 2011 Report Share Posted February 7, 2011 Thing is selling off of the council housing stock was short sighted who ever sold it.The shortage of affordable housing is now a major problem in this country.We need to get building now. Couldn't agree more! "Social housing" is now expected to be provided by private landlords, (with all the problems that can bring.) Guess this is where LJ may see his future! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NOTR Posted February 7, 2011 Report Share Posted February 7, 2011 Couldn't agree more! "Social housing" is now expected to be provided by private landlords, (with all the problems that can bring.) Guess this is where LJ may see his future! Yes i'm thinking of renting his £ 1,000,000 house,if it meets my standards. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BCAGFC Posted February 7, 2011 Report Share Posted February 7, 2011 i think you will find that it is per fortnight....... get your facts right unless you were being sarcastic of course Just passing on what I was told by someone who works with the club on a daily/weekly basis...... Whether he is right or wrong, LJ has done well with his cash unlike a lot of players but although the playing career is short, the majority of ex-players are still involved in the game, be it as a manager, assistant manager, coach, physio, scout, etc, etc. Their earning potential doesn't just stop at the end of their playing career and don't forget the pension they get from the PFA..... BCAGFC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Melksham Red Posted February 7, 2011 Report Share Posted February 7, 2011 **** me, I've read some crap on here lately, but this just about tops it So what if he's on £6k / £11k / £16k a week - if that's the going rate, then that's all there is to it. I asked my boss for a raise last week, so now I have to go benchmark similar roles in the industry to see who is paying what. I'm guessing that's what football clubs do too. I get the going rate for my job, a Championship midfielder gets his. That's the way of the world, get over it. Would I swap places with him, hell yeah. Do I think he's overpaid, hell yeah. That's not the point He'd get more kudo's from having a spit roast down town with a team mate on a Saturday night than looking after his family Good luck Lee, nice to see one of our lot being sensible with his money Who needs luck when your old man can sort you a tasty contract and give you a career in professional football! And before you all shoot me down let see what happens to him after he leave in the summer, squad player in league one if he's lucky. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redcliffe 78 Posted February 7, 2011 Report Share Posted February 7, 2011 Who needs luck when your old man can sort you a tasty contract and give you a career in professional football! And before you all shoot me down let see what happens to him after he leave in the summer, squad player in league one if he's lucky. Colin Sextone sorts out the contract details. Or was Gary Johnson asked to leave because Lee wasn't earning as much as is fellow players. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Melksham Red Posted February 7, 2011 Report Share Posted February 7, 2011 Colin Sextone sorts out the contract details. Or was Gary Johnson asked to leave because Lee wasn't earning as much as is fellow players. Don't be so naive. You think Gary would of had no input whatsoever and not of fought to get his boy the best contract he could? Lee being here has always stunk for me, he was included in the team in the early days at the expense of better players and it been pretty much the same ever since. 11 goals in 153 appearances for an alledged attack minded player who also took are free kicks under GJ is woeful.only ever been established when old man is in charge, these are facts. Lee's record I know Im wasting my time on here , but the facts don't lie. Talk about money for old rope. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redcliffe 78 Posted February 7, 2011 Report Share Posted February 7, 2011 Are you that stupid, maybe GJ got sacked from Peterborough because he wanted to bring in Lee and put him on big wages. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SC_Red Posted February 7, 2011 Report Share Posted February 7, 2011 Don't be so naive. You think Gary would of had no input whatsoever and not of fought to get his boy the best contract he could? Lee being here has always stunk for me, he was included in the team in the early days at the expense of better players and it been pretty much the same ever since. 11 goals in 153 appearances for an alledged attack minded player who also took are free kicks under GJ is woeful.only ever been established when old man is in charge, these are facts. Lee's record I know Im wasting my time on here , but the facts don't lie. Talk about money for old rope. yep I do think that. Johnson wouldn't of fought to get his boy the best contract because he wasnt involved in the talks. he was part of a team that got us promoted and three very good finishing positions in the Championship. You dont carry a central midfielder and achieve that. 11 goals in 153 appearances is a goal every 13 games or so. Same as Tinnion. Was he woeful? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Mosquito Posted February 7, 2011 Report Share Posted February 7, 2011 Unlike Maggie who sold off most of the affordable housing in the first place.God I hate that woman. Thatcher and Blair are but different arse cheeks of the same backside. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CiderHider Posted February 7, 2011 Report Share Posted February 7, 2011 Why is it fashionable to have a dig at anyone who makes money these days? Would we be happier if he was an alcohlic wife beater like Gazzer who pissed every penny up the wall? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red-Robbo Posted February 7, 2011 Report Share Posted February 7, 2011 Why is it fashionable to have a dig at anyone who makes money these days? I guess because we pay his wages - or a portion of it - and most of us reckon he's overpaid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redcliffe 78 Posted February 7, 2011 Report Share Posted February 7, 2011 I guess because we pay his wages - or a portion of it - and most of us reckon he's overpaid. Blinkered view, been at City for how many years and because he's got a few quid in the back pocket, its because he a over rated footballer. Anyone else on City's books you think are overpaid? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red-Robbo Posted February 7, 2011 Report Share Posted February 7, 2011 Virtually every other professionsal footballer, mate. Hard to argue otherwise in a world where highy skilled paramedics save people's lives for under £20K. However, the sums attributed to LJ do seem well OTT - even in the 'silly money' scale of wages at AG. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CiderHider Posted February 7, 2011 Report Share Posted February 7, 2011 I guess because we pay his wages - or a portion of it - and most of us reckon he's overpaid. Well, don't veiw it like that then, you pay your money to watch football, so enjoy it. Try not to think what % of your ST went on LJ's wages and how he spends it, lets face it SL probably pays 90% of all players wages stright from his sky rocket anyway and I dont see him on here pissing and moaning about it. (not saying your were pissing and moaning) but some are. I admire him, Bristol's housing problem is not confined just to Bristol, its national, global even. There are too many peeps who want western luxuries and to drive big cars and own nice houses, well sorry, not going to happen, ever. we better get used to it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CiderHider Posted February 7, 2011 Report Share Posted February 7, 2011 Virtually every other professionsal footballer, mate. Hard to argue otherwise in a world where highy skilled paramedics save people's lives for under £20K. However, the sums attributed to LJ do seem well OTT - even in the 'silly money' scale of wages at AG. The system is hoplessly wrong, what about the 17yr old kids who get their heads hacked off by terrorists for 14k a year serving their country? not fair either, but they do it. My biggest gripe is with the last 50 yrs of stuffy British government and how our whole constitution is geared to make the rich richer and the poor poorer, and keep it that way. Robert Mugabie had the right ideal, shame he was a corrupt genocidle nutjob though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redcliffe 78 Posted February 7, 2011 Report Share Posted February 7, 2011 The system is hoplessly wrong, what about the 17yr old kids who get their heads hacked off by terrorists for 14k a year serving their country? not fair either, but they do it. My biggest gripe is with the last 50 yrs of stuffy British government and how our whole constitution is geared to make the rich richer and the poor poorer, and keep it that way. Robert Mugabie had the right ideal, shame he was a corrupt genocidle nutjob though. You mentally safe? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jordan Tansley Posted February 7, 2011 Report Share Posted February 7, 2011 yep I do think that. Johnson wouldn't of fought to get his boy the best contract because he wasnt involved in the talks. he was part of a team that got us promoted and three very good finishing positions in the Championship. You dont carry a central midfielder and achieve that. 11 goals in 153 appearances is a goal every 13 games or so. Same as Tinnion. Was he woeful? don't, It's Lee Johnson the anti-christ... clearly the most terrible footballer in the world. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CiderHider Posted February 7, 2011 Report Share Posted February 7, 2011 You mentally safe? Depends on who you ask. Why did you ask? Maybe the thought of wealth redistribution and a fairer society is a little difficult for people to stomach. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Mosquito Posted February 7, 2011 Report Share Posted February 7, 2011 My biggest gripe is with the last 50 yrs of stuffy British government and how our whole constitution is geared to make the rich richer and the poor poorer, and keep it that way. Ours is an unwritten constitution but you are right. There's a lot of jealousy amongst our ruling elite at how much footballers are earning. I take the view that most footballers are of the same class as me - working class/ lower middle class kids come good - and I don't begrudge them a penny of their earnings. I would have loved to have been a professional footballer but I was crap at football. The next best thing for me is to be able to watch my chosen club of my city of birth. Come on you Redzzzz. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Mosquito Posted February 7, 2011 Report Share Posted February 7, 2011 Virtually every other professionsal footballer, mate. Hard to argue otherwise in a world where highy skilled paramedics save people's lives for under £20K. However, the sums attributed to LJ do seem well OTT - even in the 'silly money' scale of wages at AG. I can't but notice your avatar image of union leader Robbo the Red. A real union man of real principal. Don't forget that it was the footballers' union that helped pave the way for the fantastic financial deals that modern footballers now enjoy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red-Robbo Posted February 7, 2011 Report Share Posted February 7, 2011 But RG. I don't think it matters if someone's dad was a dustman or a multi-millionaire (like Vialli's) I still think footballers are - relative to their worth to society - paid too much. Just to make it clear to everyone posting on this thread, I dont think little Lee is crap or a disgrace to the club or anything like that. I was just musing that someone who is hardly a star player can afford to retire in their 30s, which has brought home (yet again) how insane salary levels are within the sport. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Posted February 7, 2011 Report Share Posted February 7, 2011 What a ridiculous thread. It's been clear to everyone for about 20 years that footballers are overpaid. Why does this come as such a huge surprise to everyone? Or is it just a perfect opportunity to have a go at LJ again. Look, the average wage in the Championship is probably around £5k per week, so you're talking around £250k per year for arguments sake. Lee has been a Championship level footballer for 4 years now and so has probably earned in the region of £1m at this level. He was playing with us at League 1 for a couple of season before that, where we were probably paying him about £2-3k p/w, so lets say around £250k earned there too. He was at Yeovil for 5 years before that, where he was probably on no more than £1k per week on average over that period, so he pocketed around £250k from them too. So his career earnings are probably around £1.5million, lets say with a few bonuses on top, he might be up around the £2million mark. These are the wages of your average footballer people. A footballer who will have spent the all of his career outside of the Premier League. Over the course of his career, I'd imagine LJ has probably earned less than the average Championship / League 1 player. Lets not be disgusted that a footballer like LJ has earned this much money. There are hundreds of players out there over the past 20 years who've pocketed way more that LJ who simply do not warrant that sort of cash. LJ has always given 100% for the teams he's played for, and yes, sometimes he's been good, sometimes bad, but I think he's worked out to be somewhere between a good top end League 1 player / average lower end Championship player (who was a part of a team that gained promotion from League 1 and reached a Championship play-off final). Loads of players have done nothing in the game and have managed to make tonnes more than Lee probably has. Let's take Lee Trundle as an example. Now don't get me wrong, I like Trundle, but in his short and unsuccessful time with BCFC, we probably paid him (wages/signing on fee/bonuses) something in the region of £2million. That short and unsuccessful spell earned him more in 3 years than LJ has earned in his career!! Clearly Trundle is a more gifted footballer, but please, is this a fair amount to have paid someone? This is a bloke who spent pretty much all his career in 4th Division level football, and who spectacularly failed at Championship level. Can anyone honestly tell me that Trundle was worth the £2million in wages we paid him? So lets not give LJ a hard time for being an average footballer. He's earning an average footballers wage. Oh, and for anyone coming out with the bullcrump about fans paying the players wages etc, get back to the real world and think about this - If I paid £400 per year for a season ticket for the 6 seasons LJ has been at the club, that would mean an outlay from myself of £2400. Divide that between around 25 players in the squad and I've paid LJ £100 over the course of 6 years. Now I'm sure I can think a a few games over the 6 years where I can safely say I got my money's worth. Lets look at that again!! That's a contribution from myself of £16 per season for LJ's services. Do you haters seriously begrudge paying that much? I'm happy with that for his 11 goals he's scored for us. His opening goal v QPR on our 1st day in the Championship was worth it. His winner down at Southampton was worth it. His contribution and 5 goals to our promotion was worth it. Fair play to Lee for using his money wisely. Everyone else, cut the crap. Lee is an average footballer earning an average footballers wage. Get over yourselves. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Mosquito Posted February 7, 2011 Report Share Posted February 7, 2011 I still think footballers are - relative to their worth to society - paid too much. A footballer's worth to society is to provide entertainment. We now live in a sometimes very nasty and shallow - almost no holds barred - free market economy not a socialist utopia that never was. The free market economy seems to be what most people now want - we've got to live with it until someone thinks of a better alternative. The society we now live in reminds me of the last days of anceint Rome. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
red marc Posted February 7, 2011 Report Share Posted February 7, 2011 What a ridiculous thread. It's been clear to everyone for about 20 years that footballers are overpaid. Why does this come as such a huge surprise to everyone? Or is it just a perfect opportunity to have a go at LJ again. Look, the average wage in the Championship is probably around £5k per week, so you're talking around £250k per year for arguments sake. Lee has been a Championship level footballer for 4 years now and so has probably earned in the region of £1m at this level. He was playing with us at League 1 for a couple of season before that, where we were probably paying him about £2-3k p/w, so lets say around £250k earned there too. He was at Yeovil for 5 years before that, where he was probably on no more than £1k per week on average over that period, so he pocketed around £250k from them too. So his career earnings are probably around £1.5million, lets say with a few bonuses on top, he might be up around the £2million mark. These are the wages of your average footballer people. A footballer who will have spent the all of his career outside of the Premier League. Over the course of his career, I'd imagine LJ has probably earned less than the average Championship / League 1 player. Lets not be disgusted that a footballer like LJ has earned this much money. There are hundreds of players out there over the past 20 years who've pocketed way more that LJ who simply do not warrant that sort of cash. LJ has always given 100% for the teams he's played for, and yes, sometimes he's been good, sometimes bad, but I think he's worked out to be somewhere between a good top end League 1 player / average lower end Championship player (who was a part of a team that gained promotion from League 1 and reached a Championship play-off final). Loads of players have done nothing in the game and have managed to make tonnes more than Lee probably has. Let's take Lee Trundle as an example. Now don't get me wrong, I like Trundle, but in his short and unsuccessful time with BCFC, we probably paid him (wages/signing on fee/bonuses) something in the region of £2million. That short and unsuccessful spell earned him more in 3 years than LJ has earned in his career!! Clearly Trundle is a more gifted footballer, but please, is this a fair amount to have paid someone? This is a bloke who spent pretty much all his career in 4th Division level football, and who spectacularly failed at Championship level. Can anyone honestly tell me that Trundle was worth the £2million in wages we paid him? So lets not give LJ a hard time for being an average footballer. He's earning an average footballers wage. Oh, and for anyone coming out with the bullcrump about fans paying the players wages etc, get back to the real world and think about this - If I paid £400 per year for a season ticket for the 6 seasons LJ has been at the club, that would mean an outlay from myself of £2400. Divide that between around 25 players in the squad and I've paid LJ £100 over the course of 6 years. Now I'm sure I can think a a few games over the 6 years where I can safely say I got my money's worth. Lets look at that again!! That's a contribution from myself of £16 per season for LJ's services. Do you haters seriously begrudge paying that much? I'm happy with that for his 11 goals he's scored for us. His opening goal v QPR on our 1st day in the Championship was worth it. His winner down at Southampton was worth it. His contribution and 5 goals to our promotion was worth it. Fair play to Lee for using his money wisely. Everyone else, cut the crap. Lee is an average footballer earning an average footballers wage. Get over yourselves. very articulate h and well put but probably too much info for most on here Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Posted February 7, 2011 Report Share Posted February 7, 2011 very articulate h and well put but probably too much info for most on here I know fella. All people on here see is - oh oh, footballer buys million pound house, how unfair, oh oh, I must protest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jordan Tansley Posted February 7, 2011 Report Share Posted February 7, 2011 What a ridiculous thread. It's been clear to everyone for about 20 years that footballers are overpaid. Why does this come as such a huge surprise to everyone? Or is it just a perfect opportunity to have a go at LJ again. Look, the average wage in the Championship is probably around £5k per week, so you're talking around £250k per year for arguments sake. Lee has been a Championship level footballer for 4 years now and so has probably earned in the region of £1m at this level. He was playing with us at League 1 for a couple of season before that, where we were probably paying him about £2-3k p/w, so lets say around £250k earned there too. He was at Yeovil for 5 years before that, where he was probably on no more than £1k per week on average over that period, so he pocketed around £250k from them too. So his career earnings are probably around £1.5million, lets say with a few bonuses on top, he might be up around the £2million mark. These are the wages of your average footballer people. A footballer who will have spent the all of his career outside of the Premier League. Over the course of his career, I'd imagine LJ has probably earned less than the average Championship / League 1 player. Lets not be disgusted that a footballer like LJ has earned this much money. There are hundreds of players out there over the past 20 years who've pocketed way more that LJ who simply do not warrant that sort of cash. LJ has always given 100% for the teams he's played for, and yes, sometimes he's been good, sometimes bad, but I think he's worked out to be somewhere between a good top end League 1 player / average lower end Championship player (who was a part of a team that gained promotion from League 1 and reached a Championship play-off final). Loads of players have done nothing in the game and have managed to make tonnes more than Lee probably has. Let's take Lee Trundle as an example. Now don't get me wrong, I like Trundle, but in his short and unsuccessful time with BCFC, we probably paid him (wages/signing on fee/bonuses) something in the region of £2million. That short and unsuccessful spell earned him more in 3 years than LJ has earned in his career!! Clearly Trundle is a more gifted footballer, but please, is this a fair amount to have paid someone? This is a bloke who spent pretty much all his career in 4th Division level football, and who spectacularly failed at Championship level. Can anyone honestly tell me that Trundle was worth the £2million in wages we paid him? So lets not give LJ a hard time for being an average footballer. He's earning an average footballers wage. Oh, and for anyone coming out with the bullcrump about fans paying the players wages etc, get back to the real world and think about this - If I paid £400 per year for a season ticket for the 6 seasons LJ has been at the club, that would mean an outlay from myself of £2400. Divide that between around 25 players in the squad and I've paid LJ £100 over the course of 6 years. Now I'm sure I can think a a few games over the 6 years where I can safely say I got my money's worth. Lets look at that again!! That's a contribution from myself of £16 per season for LJ's services. Do you haters seriously begrudge paying that much? I'm happy with that for his 11 goals he's scored for us. His opening goal v QPR on our 1st day in the Championship was worth it. His winner down at Southampton was worth it. His contribution and 5 goals to our promotion was worth it. Fair play to Lee for using his money wisely. Everyone else, cut the crap. Lee is an average footballer earning an average footballers wage. Get over yourselves. didn't you know Lee Johnson is the root cause of AIDS, Cancer and had a major influence on the anti-semetic ideology of Hitler and his National Socialist party(apparently Na..zi is an unnacceptable word )... He is the devil. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WellRedPhil Posted February 7, 2011 Report Share Posted February 7, 2011 yep I do think that. Johnson wouldn't of fought to get his boy the best contract because he wasnt involved in the talks. he was part of a team that got us promoted and three very good finishing positions in the Championship. You dont carry a central midfielder and achieve that. 11 goals in 153 appearances is a goal every 13 games or so. Same as Tinnion. Was he woeful? It us quite a bit worse tbf especially when you consider how many more games Tinnion played. I'm not getting involved with the whole footballers are paid too much argument because there's no point. They're paid that much because of the money in football, the money obviously gets distributed down to the players. Is it too much? Who the hell are we to judge. However Tinnion's goal record was better and he was a far superior player to Johnson so I don't really see how the two can be compared. I have no problem with Johnson buying these houses, why should I care? I don't think he's good enough for the Championship but at the same time I don't hate the guy. He gets far too much air-time on this forum along with Cole Skuse with the same old stuff being said about the pair of them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bucksred Posted February 7, 2011 Report Share Posted February 7, 2011 The system is hoplessly wrong, what about the 17yr old kids who get their heads hacked off by terrorists for 14k a year serving their country? not fair either, but they do it. My biggest gripe is with the last 50 yrs of stuffy British government and how our whole constitution is geared to make the rich richer and the poor poorer, and keep it that way. Robert Mugabie had the right ideal, shame he was a corrupt genocidle nutjob though. Get ******* real. Whats happening in Zimbabwe is very ******* far from being funny, as most people from my country have been bitterly aware of for twenty ******* years, and to compare whats happening here to that disasterous mess, is way out of line Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SC_Red Posted February 8, 2011 Report Share Posted February 8, 2011 It us quite a bit worse tbf especially when you consider how many more games Tinnion played. I'm not getting involved with the whole footballers are paid too much argument because there's no point. They're paid that much because of the money in football, the money obviously gets distributed down to the players. Is it too much? Who the hell are we to judge. However Tinnion's goal record was better and he was a far superior player to Johnson so I don't really see how the two can be compared. I have no problem with Johnson buying these houses, why should I care? I don't think he's good enough for the Championship but at the same time I don't hate the guy. He gets far too much air-time on this forum along with Cole Skuse with the same old stuff being said about the pair of them. 153/11 = a goal every 13.9 games Tinnion played 551 games and scored 42 goals = a goal every 13.1 games the poster I replied to was using goals scored as proof that Johnson is woeful. Johnson also played most of his career with us at a higher level than Tinnion. who was the better player is opinion. Personally I think Tinnion was because he was stronger and had better passing range, but as I say its opinion and he did it at a lower level in the main. Harry has made the best post on this thread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Casual Connoisseur Posted February 8, 2011 Report Share Posted February 8, 2011 I reckon he's had your missus. My wife died 8 years ago, so I doubt that very much, thanks for being a complete c unt with your pathetic comment. In persuit of trying to make yourself look big and clever on a forum you have done the complete opposite, thanks again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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