Riaz Posted May 16, 2011 Report Share Posted May 16, 2011 Not if he signs a new contract and requires a minimum fee Yes, if he gets a chance in the Prem he will take it.....but he would regret it. Norwich are a nothing team and not a long term step forward. If I were him, sign an extension for us with a minimum release fee, bang the goals in and NO DOUBT a BIGGER, MORE ESTABLISHED CLUB will sign in. Thats a BIG IF! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SC_Red Posted May 16, 2011 Report Share Posted May 16, 2011 Ok. is there clear evidence that a player is worth much less, simply because he has a year left? People say it all the time, but I'm not convinced. I keep banging on about competition in the bidding, but if I am the chairman of Premier League Club A and another chairman from Premier League Club B also wants the same player as me, what would make me think that I can have that player on the cheap? We both want him, he's under contract and the only way to guarantee his signature is to offer more than anyone else. I'm not entirely sure how 1 year or 2 years makes any tangible difference. If it was 6 weeks left I'd completely understand the argument. as I said before. A bidding war is the only way I can see his transfer fee going up significantly when he has 1 year left. having 1 year left puts pressure on the selling club to take an offer lower than they'd like because the clock is ticking. Look at Billy Jones. We offered 500k supposedly. They refused and have now gone down and lost him for nothing. Was that a good financial decision by them? They decided not to sell for less than they thought he was worth to them and now he's not there player anymore and they havent got a penny for him. Thats the situation we may find ourselves in with Maynard. Hopefully not and as you suggest, several clubs come in and bump the price up but I'm not sure lots of clubs in the Prem will take a punt on him. Its also a bigger issue if the player wants to leave. Not saying Maynard does but that could become an issue if he does as it adds to the pressure to sell. Its hard to put a value on a player but given the contract situation as it stands and if the player wants to go. I think 5-6m is what we're looking at. Hernandez was £6m. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fodbarmyarmy Posted May 16, 2011 Report Share Posted May 16, 2011 Ok. is there clear evidence that a player is worth much less, simply because he has a year left? People say it all the time, but I'm not convinced. I keep banging on about competition in the bidding, but if I am the chairman of Premier League Club A and another chairman from Premier League Club B also wants the same player as me, what would make me think that I can have that player on the cheap? We both want him, he's under contract and the only way to guarantee his signature is to offer more than anyone else. I'm not entirely sure how 1 year or 2 years makes any tangible difference. If it was 6 weeks left I'd completely understand the argument. I would be very surprised if there was not a clause in current contract that allows him to leave if a certain value is offered...........and I would also expect that to be currently a lot less than 5M In fact I bet the "deal breaker" in the new contract offer is the value we NOW want to put on such a clause and NM thinks its too high hence no signing yet Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Garland-sweden Posted May 16, 2011 Report Share Posted May 16, 2011 http://www.thesun.co...ier-League.html Hi. What is the chance that NMstay in City? 50-50 or what are the feeling among the supporters. Millen says City have talked with NM. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CotswoldRed Posted May 16, 2011 Report Share Posted May 16, 2011 No idea whatsoever. Nothing to base it on as nothing specific has been said on either side. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BCAGFC Posted May 16, 2011 Report Share Posted May 16, 2011 Heard this rumour a few days ago. Nicky Maynard still has a year left on his contract, so would have to be given permission to talk to anyone at Norwich. So unless BCFC have agreed a fee and have let NM talk to them.......it is rubbish. BCAGFC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mclovin BS14 Posted May 16, 2011 Report Share Posted May 16, 2011 he's off but not to norwich Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Riaz Posted May 16, 2011 Report Share Posted May 16, 2011 he's off but not to norwich keep talking.. or pm if you prefer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nibor Posted May 16, 2011 Report Share Posted May 16, 2011 Thats a BIG IF! For us yes, not for the club. They probably already know whether or not he'll sign. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eskay Posted May 16, 2011 Report Share Posted May 16, 2011 Is there any sell-on clause that we have to pay if we do get rid of him? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CotswoldRed Posted May 16, 2011 Report Share Posted May 16, 2011 Is there any sell-on clause that we have to pay if we do get rid of him? This is part of the problem, nobody knows the full detail within the contracts. I have heard previously that Crew want a slice of any sell-on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
InCider Posted May 16, 2011 Report Share Posted May 16, 2011 This is part of the problem, nobody knows the full detail within the contracts. I have heard previously that Crew want a slice of any sell-on. Pretty sure they do have one (would've been mad not to). I would assume that it would be round the 20-30% mark, but as someone pointed out in another thread that percentage would only be on the profit we make (i.e. not on the £2,25m or whatever we paid for him). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Riaz Posted May 16, 2011 Report Share Posted May 16, 2011 For us yes, not for the club. They probably already know whether or not he'll sign. I've got a funny feeling, he's not going to sign and as you say the club know that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Garland-sweden Posted May 16, 2011 Report Share Posted May 16, 2011 This is part of the problem, nobody knows the full detail within the contracts. I have heard previously that Crew want a slice of any sell-on. Barnet get money if we sell Albert. I don know how many %. Same with Crew I think. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
howey_ducky Posted May 16, 2011 Report Share Posted May 16, 2011 crewe would have been mad not to put in a future sell on clause, lets just assume they have one, i hope it is for profit difference above the amount we paid them and not just a basic percentage fee or any future sale. it's gonna be a long summer of ifs and maybes with the possibility of maynard not being here next season unless the club or nm's agent have information and are willing to release it publicly. i'm staying positive until i hear otherwise and look on the plus side, we may be signing the next patrick viera accordcing to another thread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Popodopolous Posted May 16, 2011 Report Share Posted May 16, 2011 Its hard to put a value on a player but given the contract situation as it stands and if the player wants to go. I think 5-6m is what we're looking at. Hernandez was £6m. Not sure about this comparison- Hernandez has scored goals at a good standard- vs France and Argentina and generally impressed in WC. Undoubtedly Hernandez based on this season is a very good young striker. Only 22 as well, though he needs to improve his all round game. He'd be worth a lot more now but perhaps the reason he was so or purported to be so unknown is because British football culture is quite an insular one? A contentious view no doubt but looking at media coverage occasionally I sometimes wonder- hence the high number of 'unknown' or 'obscure' players who suddenly come over here and do rather better than predicted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SimonL Posted May 16, 2011 Report Share Posted May 16, 2011 20% Sell on clause according to:- http://www.thisisstaffordshire.co.uk/news/Crewe-Alex-Gradi-cautious-Maynard-windfall/article-2210212-detail/article.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simon uk Posted May 16, 2011 Report Share Posted May 16, 2011 Not sure about this comparison- Hernandez has scored goals at a good standard- vs France and Argentina and generally impressed in WC. Undoubtedly Hernandez based on this season is a very good young striker. Only 22 as well, though he needs to improve his all round game. He'd be worth a lot more now but perhaps the reason he was so or purported to be so unknown is because British football culture is quite an insular one? A contentious view no doubt but looking at media coverage occasionally I sometimes wonder- hence the high number of 'unknown' or 'obscure' players who suddenly come over here and do rather better than predicted. definitely agree about the hernandez thing, and the insular british media/ attitudes! The boy is clearly total class, but because our media come out with all this BS about the premier league is the best league in the world, and all the english world class players, its seems everyone thinks we are important on the world stage of the game. He was only 6 million because he hadnt played in europe yet, and man u dont mind paying that kind of money to see if a player will make it or not, and a lot of that is to do with settling down in a foreign country and adapting to the pace of the game here. His value to anyone who want to sign him is probably 25 million now, maybe more. Maynard cant compare to him at the moment in terms of ability/ transfer fee, but his value, as far as I can see, with his contract expiring, would be about 5 million for us to sell. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
InCider Posted May 16, 2011 Report Share Posted May 16, 2011 20% Sell on clause according to:- http://www.thisissta...il/article.html If the figures in that article are correct (no idea if they are TBH), then it sounds like 20% of total fee rather than on the profit. Bad news if true. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
petehinton Posted May 16, 2011 Report Share Posted May 16, 2011 IMO if the story of Goodwillie develops then i think it'll mean Maynard will go Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Riaz Posted May 16, 2011 Report Share Posted May 16, 2011 I dont think we need a replacement... we have BRETT PITMAN Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simon uk Posted May 16, 2011 Report Share Posted May 16, 2011 I dont think we need a replacement... we have BRETT PITMAN Pitman can clearly finish, but if he has any injury problems, loss of form etc, then that leaves us with Stead and Clarkson. If maynard goes we will need 1 more in to replace him in terms of numbers, if nothing else. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Riaz Posted May 16, 2011 Report Share Posted May 16, 2011 Surey that will be a youngster? Marlon jackson for example Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bangers Posted May 16, 2011 Report Share Posted May 16, 2011 Surey that will be a youngster? Marlon jackson for example Your having a laugh right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryan_BCFC Posted May 16, 2011 Author Report Share Posted May 16, 2011 If the worst thing was too happen and Maynard was too leave. Who would you like too see as his replacement ?? Dont forget we may have a fair bit of cash too spend......... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Riaz Posted May 16, 2011 Report Share Posted May 16, 2011 Your having a laugh right? Why am I having a laugh? Millen said he wants to give youngsters a chance and not have their path blocked..... And in pitman we have a goalscorer. Think city fans are in for a rude awakening next season or whenever millen starts giving the youngsters places in the squad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Superjack Posted May 16, 2011 Report Share Posted May 16, 2011 If the worst thing was too happen and Maynard was too leave. Who would you like too see as his replacement ?? Dont forget we may have a fair bit of cash too spend......... I hope there's that many 'o's on NM's price tag. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bangers Posted May 16, 2011 Report Share Posted May 16, 2011 Why am I having a laugh? Millen said he wants to give youngsters a chance and not have their path blocked..... And in pitman we have a goalscorer. Think city fans are in for a rude awakening next season or whenever millen starts giving the youngsters places in the squad. 1 goal in 42 league appeearances. Get rid of this kid he aint up to scratch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
glynriley Posted May 16, 2011 Report Share Posted May 16, 2011 If the worst thing was too happen and Maynard was too leave. Who would you like too see as his replacement ?? Dont forget we may have a fair bit of cash too spend......... The word you're looking for is to. too means also. On to your question , I'm not sure about Goodwillie (dont know much about Scottish football). Would not mind someone like Simon Cox if we could get him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Riaz Posted May 16, 2011 Report Share Posted May 16, 2011 1 goal in 42 league appeearances. Get rid of this kid he aint up to scratch. maybe. I dont know. but he seems to be in millen's plans. Of course, millen may get a replacement - but then he's not doing what he said he will do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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