TRL Posted September 21, 2011 Posted September 21, 2011 So after 1 season and 5 or 6 games Millen has noticed we are not tough or aggressive enough. So has decided to do something about it this week, not last season, not in pre season but a few games into his 2nd season! Now some coaches are pro active, others are reactive... But this beggars belief. Over a season if what is being reported is true, to notice we don't have a nasty side and he is working on it in training this week! Only a bit late Millen me old mucker! Just wish he would keep his gob shut, the drivel that flows is getting worse and worse. Nothing like shooting yourself in the foot is there.
Robbored Posted September 21, 2011 Posted September 21, 2011 So after 1 season and 5 or 6 games Millen has noticed we are not tough or aggressive enough. So has decided to do something about it this week, not last season, not in pre season but a few games into his 2nd season! Now some coaches are pro active, others are reactive... But this beggars belief. Over a season if what is being reported is true, to notice we don't have a nasty side and he is working on it in training this week! Only a bit late Millen me old mucker! Just wish he would keep his gob shut, the drivel that flows is getting worse and worse. Nothing like shooting yourself in the foot is there. Yet another 'lets slag off our manager' thread. Soooooooooo tedious. Maybe the mods should open up a separate forum for those who want to read these boring threads. That would be a real blessing.
Barrs Court Red Posted September 21, 2011 Posted September 21, 2011 Shame you didn't have one under GJ you boring hypocrite
Riaz Posted September 21, 2011 Posted September 21, 2011 Yet another 'lets slag off our manager' thread. Soooooooooo tedious. Maybe the mods should open up a separate forum for those who want to read these boring threads. That would be a real blessing.
Pete1975Legend Posted September 21, 2011 Posted September 21, 2011 K Yet another 'lets slag off our manager' thread. Soooooooooo tedious. Maybe the mods should open up a separate forum for those who want to read these boring threads. That would be a real blessing. Have you forgotten all your negative posts under our most successful manager in the last 20 odd years. don't slate others when you do it yourself
Robbored Posted September 21, 2011 Posted September 21, 2011 Have you forgotten all your negative posts under our most successful manager in the last 20 odd years. don't slate others when you do it yourself Try and think of something original to post............
SC_Red Posted September 21, 2011 Posted September 21, 2011 Try and think of something original to post............ you've posted that a lot recently. try and think of something original
Robbored Posted September 21, 2011 Posted September 21, 2011 Shame you didn't have one under GJ you boring hypocrite Attack the post, not the poster.........
SC_Red Posted September 21, 2011 Posted September 21, 2011 Attack the post, not the poster......... Ok. your post is a fat ginger hypocrite with a small cock and an inferiority complex
Robbored Posted September 21, 2011 Posted September 21, 2011 Ok. your post is a fat ginger hypocrite with a small cock and an inferiority complex Morning Steve. Did you have a point to make?
Riaz Posted September 21, 2011 Posted September 21, 2011 So after 1 season and 5 or 6 games Millen has noticed we are not tough or aggressive enough. So has decided to do something about it this week, not last season, not in pre season but a few games into his 2nd season! Now some coaches are pro active, others are reactive... But this beggars belief. Over a season if what is being reported is true, to notice we don't have a nasty side and he is working on it in training this week! Only a bit late Millen me old mucker! Just wish he would keep his gob shut, the drivel that flows is getting worse and worse. Nothing like shooting yourself in the foot is there. He does take an awful long time to spot the obvious problems..... A defence without caulker without any additions was always going to concede alot..... by not replacing him, we now have to go ultra defensive. Skuse and Elliott - the only time I can think of to play these to as a pairing is if your seeing out a game and protecting a lead - but even then it will be difficult to keep the ball. But despite seeing these two play every game that they have played together - he still cant see it does not work... One up front - a goalscorer like Maynard or Pitman need a partner with them ie Stead. But he continues to play one up front - this is despite overloading the squad with forwards. Crazy.
Barrs Court Red Posted September 21, 2011 Posted September 21, 2011 Thanks sc, work desk covered in coffee
TRL Posted September 21, 2011 Author Posted September 21, 2011 Yet another 'lets slag off our manager' thread. Soooooooooo tedious. Maybe the mods should open up a separate forum for those who want to read these boring threads. That would be a real blessing. So rob, you think 1 year is an acceptable time frame to notice this? In fact Millen has been here for a lot longer than that, so 1 year to notice this is going easy on him. If you think 1 year is acceptable then please let me know why? Or may be it is too tedious for you to answer?
Spud55 Posted September 21, 2011 Posted September 21, 2011 He does take an awful long time to spot the obvious problems..... A defence without caulker without any additions was always going to concede alot..... by not replacing him, we now have to go ultra defensive. Skuse and Elliott - the only time I can think of to play these to as a pairing is if your seeing out a game and protecting a lead - but even then it will be difficult to keep the ball. But despite seeing these two play every game that they have played together - he still cant see it does not work... One up front - a goalscorer like Maynard or Pitman need a partner with them ie Stead. But he continues to play one up front - this is despite overloading the squad with forwards. Crazy. To be honest he's had a damn sight longer than just his season and a bit in charge to notice that we've gone a bit soft, from our second season in this league it started with the ever increasing late goals, and has steadily got worse under Gj and then Millen, so as he was assistant at the time i'd say it has taken millen 4 years to nothice this problem which has been getting worse and worse for a long time. In truth in the defence we have lacked some bite ever since big shaun taylor retired.
SC_Red Posted September 21, 2011 Posted September 21, 2011 Morning Steve. Did you have a point to make? already made it jeff
newboy Posted September 21, 2011 Posted September 21, 2011 Ok. your post is a fat ginger hypocrite with a small cock and an inferiority complex Now now.... But whilst I'm here - Robbored, I've a simple question: What has Millen done/is doing to justify your vocal support for him that is far in excess of the support you gave GJ? Or in other words, in what way is Millen superior to GJ? You can't use the one decent patch of form from the end of last year as GJ had far longer patches of success with a cheaper squad. You can't use the cliched excuse of he's not been here long, since other managers have had far greater impact for other clubs in far shorter time. You can't say his hands are tied with the current feeble squad, because a) the current squad is capable of getting results as we see in patches (but obviously not consistently) and b) he has made signings (and then mysteriously not used them) For the life of me I cannot see why people are so content to accept Millen as a manager other than fear of getting an even more rubbish manager in his place (which is possible, but not probable). As each month goes on, the "give him time" excuse gets weaker and weaker and yet people still staunchly defend him. Based on what?
'Orns Posted September 21, 2011 Posted September 21, 2011 Yet another 'lets slag off our manager' thread. Soooooooooo tedious. Maybe the mods should open up a separate forum for those who want to read these boring threads. That would be a real blessing. Unbe*******lievable - you must have cahones the size of Bristol to write shit like that on here after all you've said about GJ in the past
Andy082005 Posted September 21, 2011 Posted September 21, 2011 Now now.... But whilst I'm here - Robbored, I've a simple question: What has Millen done/is doing to justify your vocal support for him that is far in excess of the support you gave GJ? Or in other words, in what way is Millen superior to GJ? You can't use the one decent patch of form from the end of last year as GJ had far longer patches of success with a cheaper squad. You can't use the cliched excuse of he's not been here long, since other managers have had far greater impact for other clubs in far shorter time. You can't say his hands are tied with the current feeble squad, because a) the current squad is capable of getting results as we see in patches (but obviously not consistently) and b) he has made signings (and then mysteriously not used them) For the life of me I cannot see why people are so content to accept Millen as a manager other than fear of getting an even more rubbish manager in his place (which is possible, but not probable). As each month goes on, the "give him time" excuse gets weaker and weaker and yet people still staunchly defend him. Based on what? He introduced a "development squad"......or in plain English to me and you, he bought more second rate sh*t players for our reserve squad
Riaz Posted September 21, 2011 Posted September 21, 2011 Forum whipping boy He has only himself to blame. I dont think people will ever let him forget how wrong and negative he was about GJ. And rightly so - and tedious as it is.
Andy082005 Posted September 21, 2011 Posted September 21, 2011 He has only himself to blame. I dont think people will ever let him forget how wrong and negative he was about GJ. And rightly so - and tedious as it is. exactly right. The fact he was so wrong and had his own personal agenda, and still to this second believes he was right (the comment of "I knew it would go wrong eventually" was the best), means that so many of his posts now dont get taken seriously at all. Shame really
Robbored Posted September 21, 2011 Posted September 21, 2011 exactly right. The fact he was so wrong and had his own personal agenda, and still to this second believes he was right (the comment of "I knew it would go wrong eventually" was the best), means that so many of his posts now dont get taken seriously at all. You and certain others are liked a cracked record. You all post pretty much the same replies to many of my posts with comments that refer to an opinion of approximately 18 months and before. You may not have noticed but things have changed in intervening period. Views change, and it fact yours and certain others views have changed just as mine have. You and certain others are allowed to post repetitive critism of our manager without the slightest mention of 'hyporacy'. Didn't you and certain others declare undying love for one of our previous managers? something you still hold on to. In simpler terms. I get accused of hyprocracy after my critism of Johnson and my current support for Millen. You and certain others declare undying loyalty to Johnson but now slag off Millen in virtually every post. Surely if I'm a hypocrite then so are you and certain others. Fact is we have a different perspective and view on things but you and certain others can't seem to accept that and resort to the same old' same old' responses to many of my posts. Its as if you think that your predictable comments will devalue whatever it is I've posted. Try and think of something interesting and original to post instead.
TRL Posted September 21, 2011 Author Posted September 21, 2011 You and certain others are liked a cracked record. You all post pretty much the same replies to many of my posts with comments that refer to an opinion of approximately 18 months and before. You may not have noticed but things have changed in intervening period. Views change, and it fact yours and certain others views have changed just as mine have. You and certain others are allowed to post repetitive critism of our manager without the slightest mention of 'hyporacy'. Didn't you and certain others declare undying love for one of our previous managers? something you still hold on to. In simpler terms. I get accused of hyprocracy after my critism of Johnson and my current support for Millen. You and certain others declare undying loyalty to Johnson but now slag off Millen in virtually every post. Surely if I'm a hypocrite then so are you and certain others. Fact is we have a different perspective and view on things but you and certain others can't seem to accept that and resort to the same old' same old' responses to many of my posts. Its as if you think that your predictable comments will devalue whatever it is I've posted. Try and think of something interesting and original to post instead. I notice you did not reply to me Rob, even thought you found time to belittle the post!
Barrs Court Red Posted September 21, 2011 Posted September 21, 2011 He'll say something about "trying to play attacking football" and "wingers" while not seeing how laughable that sounds after 0 goals in 4 home games.
Rocky Posted September 21, 2011 Posted September 21, 2011 <br />Ok. your post is a fat ginger hypocrite with a small cock and an inferiority complex<br /><br /><br /><br /> HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA post of the year. Ark at Robbered mind, forgotton all about the GJ drivel he used to post!
Robbored Posted September 21, 2011 Posted September 21, 2011 I notice you did not reply to me Rob, even thought you found time to belittle the post! You're one of the 'certain others'. Apologies if you were feeling left out.
Monkeh Posted September 21, 2011 Posted September 21, 2011 lets not turn this into another slate robbo post
TRL Posted September 21, 2011 Author Posted September 21, 2011 You're one of the 'certain others'. Apologies if you were feeling left out. Of course I am rob, that is why I stuck up for you so many times, that is why you won't find me once talking about your views on gj, that's why I have been asked if I am you several times on here. Attack the post not the poster was your ethos was it not. Practice what you preach sonny Jim
TRL Posted September 21, 2011 Author Posted September 21, 2011 You're one of the 'certain others'. Apologies if you were feeling left out. And you still haven't answered the question, I thought you liked a debate?
'Orns Posted September 21, 2011 Posted September 21, 2011 You and certain others are liked a cracked record. You all post pretty much the same replies to many of my posts with comments that refer to an opinion of approximately 18 months and before. You may not have noticed but things have changed in intervening period. Views change, and it fact yours and certain others views have changed just as mine have. You and certain others are allowed to post repetitive critism of our manager without the slightest mention of 'hyporacy'. Didn't you and certain others declare undying love for one of our previous managers? something you still hold on to. In simpler terms. I get accused of hyprocracy after my critism of Johnson and my current support for Millen. You and certain others declare undying loyalty to Johnson but now slag off Millen in virtually every post. Surely if I'm a hypocrite then so are you and certain others. Fact is we have a different perspective and view on things but you and certain others can't seem to accept that and resort to the same old' same old' responses to many of my posts. Its as if you think that your predictable comments will devalue whatever it is I've posted. Try and think of something interesting and original to post instead. The simple facts are that Johnson took us forward to a point we hadn't been at in over a generation, and the turnaround from bottom of L1 was very quick. Towards the end then there were obvious problems with certain players and the style of football was awful - a lot of us Johnson lovers (for want of a better phrase) agreed that his time was up With Millen we are going backwards. The style of football is still awful, we're not scoring goals and we're not getting in players that can help us out. Stick with Millen for much longer and I think we'll be back in L1, and I'm sure we wouldn't find it easy to get out of quickly The club is stagnating, we've been going backwards for some time. I get that it's a tough league, there are some massive clubs that we can't compete with financially - but neither could Burnley, Blackpool and Swansea, yet they've all got out. Johnson was one game (and one could argue one unfortunate injury) away from the Premier League. Do you honestly think that Millen can get us there? If so, what do you base your hopes on?
Robbored Posted September 21, 2011 Posted September 21, 2011 So rob, you think 1 year is an acceptable time frame to notice this? In fact Millen has been here for a lot longer than that, so 1 year to notice this is going easy on him. If you think 1 year is acceptable then please let me know why? Or may be it is too tedious for you to answer? I've explained many many times the reason's why I'm supportive of Millen. If you haven't seen those posts then hard luck. I will say this. He did ok last season with limited resources and finished with just three and one points less than the previous two season's. I believe that he'll do the same again this season. Imo City will finish with around 60-65 points and then over the summer its clear out time in readiness for a proper re-build. Its amazes me that after two season's of absolute crap under Johnson hardly no-one complained but now you and certain others are a dog with a bone in your critism of Millen. And people call me a hypocrite.......
Monkeh Posted September 21, 2011 Posted September 21, 2011 I've explained many many times the reason's why I'm supportive of Millen. If you haven't seen those posts then hard luck. I will say this. He did ok last season with limited resources and finished with just three and one points less than the previous two season's. I believe that he'll do the same again this season. Imo City will finish with around 60-65 points and then over the summer its clear out time in readiness for a proper re-build. Its amazes me that after two season's of absolute crap under Johnson hardly no-one complained but now you and certain others are a dog with a bone in your critism of Millen. And people call me a hypocrite....... Because we never finished below 10th and only lost 3 home games a season and there was a never say die spirit, Now theres a never win feeling and we rarely score or win at home and are out played by league 2 outfits
'Orns Posted September 21, 2011 Posted September 21, 2011 I've explained many many times the reason's why I'm supportive of Millen. If you haven't seen those posts then hard luck. I will say this. He did ok last season with limited resources and finished with just three and one points less than the previous two season's. I believe that he'll do the same again this season. Imo City will finish with around 60-65 points and then over the summer its clear out time in readiness for a proper re-build. Its amazes me that after two season's of absolute crap under Johnson hardly no-one complained but now you and certain others are a dog with a bone in your critism of Millen. And people call me a hypocrite....... There were plenty of moaners, you must remember your little gang from those dark days? For me GJ had done enough to be given a little more time to try and turn things around. Nothing about Millen's reign gives me the reason for the board to let him do the same. One thing that I was supportive of Millen was his record in the transfer market, yet now he doesn't play Stead and Pitman (his two big signings) very much, or in Pitman's case on the wing. It's bizarre, it's almost as if he's lost faith in himself
Riaz Posted September 21, 2011 Posted September 21, 2011 I've explained many many times the reason's why I'm supportive of Millen. If you haven't seen those posts then hard luck. I will say this. He did ok last season with limited resources and finished with just three and one points less than the previous two season's. I believe that he'll do the same again this season. Imo City will finish with around 60-65 points and then over the summer its clear out time in readiness for a proper re-build. Its amazes me that after two season's of absolute crap under Johnson hardly no-one complained but now you and certain others are a dog with a bone in your critism of Millen. And people call me a hypocrite....... Limited Resources? 250K Stead 800K Pitman 500k? Woolford Plus loans 3 loans from premier league clubs which usually cost. Still say he had limited resources last season?
TRL Posted September 21, 2011 Author Posted September 21, 2011 I've explained many many times the reason's why I'm supportive of Millen. If you haven't seen those posts then hard luck. I will say this. He did ok last season with limited resources and finished with just three and one points less than the previous two season's. I believe that he'll do the same again this season. Imo City will finish with around 60-65 points and then over the summer its clear out time in readiness for a proper re-build. Its amazes me that after two season's of absolute crap under Johnson hardly no-one complained but now you and certain others are a dog with a bone in your critism of Millen. And people call me a hypocrite....... You may have also noticed I have said we have played crap since Wilson's 2nd season in charge, but don't let that get in the way of what you think my views are. My only agenda against Millen is his media handling. I can't say I am happy with current performances, but please point out when I have ever said I wanted him out. I will continue to point out millen's pr failures until he starts thinking before spouting.
Robbored Posted September 21, 2011 Posted September 21, 2011 Because we never finished below 10th and only lost 3 home games a season and there was a never say die spirit, Now theres a never win feeling and we rarely score or win at home and are out played by league 2 outfits You can make statistics say pretty much what you want and Millen managed 60 points last season and that meant a 15th place. The season before 60 points would have meant a 12th place and 13th the season before that. City got beaten 0-2 at home by Carlisle three season's ago. I don't see what your points is.
'Orns Posted September 21, 2011 Posted September 21, 2011 You can make statistics say pretty much what you want and Millen managed 60 points last season and that meant a 15th place. The season before 60 points would have meant a 12th place and 13th the season before that. City got beaten 0-2 at home by Carlisle three season's ago. I don't see what your points is. I think the crux of it is that under Johnson we stood half a chance, now we don't You may (and will do) disagree with this, but a lot of people don't
Robbored Posted September 21, 2011 Posted September 21, 2011 I think the crux of it is that under Johnson we stood half a chance, now we don't You may (and will do) disagree with this, but a lot of people don't Recent games have been tight. No-one is thumping us. City lost by one goal to Brighton in which many fans agree was a decent performance. City also lost by one goal at Leeds having missed a penalty. City have been close in these games and yet according to you we don't stand a chance.
TRL Posted September 21, 2011 Author Posted September 21, 2011 Recent games have been tight. No-one is thumping us. City lost by one goal to Brighton in which many fans agree was a decent performance. City also lost by one goal at Leeds having missed a penalty. City have been close in these games and yet according to you we don't stand a chance. Well he could be right, level with Leeds, Leeds down to 10, penalty....... And we still lose. We have lots of chances, we do not take them. So by that reckoning we don't stand a chance. We don't score at home, as long as that continues we do not stand a chance of winning, its impossible to win if you don't score. So yes, we don't stand a chance until we learn to attack and put the ball in the net. Especially at home.
'Orns Posted September 21, 2011 Posted September 21, 2011 Recent games have been tight. No-one is thumping us. City lost by one goal to Brighton in which many fans agree was a decent performance. City also lost by one goal at Leeds having missed a penalty. City have been close in these games and yet according to you we don't stand a chance. And according to plenty of others too With GJ I would expect us to keep it tight and nick a goal, nowadays I don't think we'll keep a clean sheet - let alone nick one at the other end So, no, I don't expect us to stand a chance against too many teams in this league right now
Robbored Posted September 21, 2011 Posted September 21, 2011 I think the crux of it is that under Johnson we stood half a chance, Do you think the Cobblers fans would agree? http://www.skysports.com/story/0,19528,11095_7192291,00.html Looks like the kiss of death to me.
Monkeh Posted September 21, 2011 Posted September 21, 2011 That has **** all to do with us under Johnson and just show up you personal vendetta against him after he made u look like a tit
'Orns Posted September 21, 2011 Posted September 21, 2011 That has **** all to do with us under Johnson and just show up you personal vendetta against him after he made u look like a tit Exactly Monkeh - after all the vitriol for the Millen haters Robbo has yet again shown his true colours Impossible comparison to make. Although I would admit I'm surprised that NTFC are struggling as much as they are currently
RedRock Posted September 21, 2011 Posted September 21, 2011 Keef - well done for spotting that mate. Next defincency in your manual to look at - NATURAL LEADERS ON AND OFF PiTCH Christ, it took me one two pre-season games last year to spot our inadequacies (evidence posting at the time). The only one who had some talent in these areas Bradders buggered off. Too late I fear for you to sort things now.
Guest belfastrobin Posted September 21, 2011 Posted September 21, 2011 Do you think the Cobblers fans would agree? http://www.skysports...7192291,00.html Looks like the kiss of death to me.
exiledinwatford Posted September 21, 2011 Posted September 21, 2011 Back to the original post (phew) In losing 0-3 at home to Ipswich in our first game we conceded two (yes two) free kicks all game. Weird. We've been a soft touch for many years - if we'd have toughened up when we were top of the NPC with 5 games to go we might have had a season in the top flight.
Dorset_Cider Posted September 22, 2011 Posted September 22, 2011 Yet another 'lets slag off our manager' thread. Soooooooooo tedious. Maybe the mods should open up a separate forum for those who want to read these boring threads. That would be a real blessing. Ahhhhhh shutupayaface Robbored........ you know where the ignore button is
42nite Posted September 22, 2011 Posted September 22, 2011 Since he's been out on loan we've missed Lees agression. No-ones shouting at the Ref anymore!!
Guest Syco Posted September 22, 2011 Posted September 22, 2011 K Have you forgotten all your negative posts under our most successful manager in the last 20 odd years. don't slate others when you do it yourself Not sticking up for anyone but GJ is now only 5 places away from the conference with Northampton. We had two lucky seasons with GJ and I never thought we actually controlled games.
Robbored Posted September 22, 2011 Posted September 22, 2011 Not sticking up for anyone but GJ is now only 5 places away from the conference with Northampton. We had two lucky seasons with GJ and I never thought we actually controlled games. Thats right. I posted that at the time but the blind couldn't see.............
funky monkey Posted September 22, 2011 Posted September 22, 2011 Not sticking up for anyone but GJ is now only 5 places away from the conference with Northampton. We had two lucky seasons with GJ and I never thought we actually controlled games. We played some quality football under johnson i clearly remember walking out the ground on numerous occasions saying it was arsenal esque and i would agree
Strictly Obi Posted September 22, 2011 Posted September 22, 2011 I think the reason our loverly, kind, considerate, friendly and decent manager known as Keef is starting to get angry is cos he knows unlike GJ who had a decent managerial record and walked straight into another managerial job.......poor old Clueless Keef is going to end up as someone's number two at best as he really has no track record! Don't get me wrong Keef is a lovely man, but i don't want to be mates with him.....i want us to start being an established mid table CC side again.....like we were before he took over. Too many happy clappers like Robbored on here thinking it's not all that bad. It's worse than bad, it's the most boring negative football seen at the Gate since Pulis (pos worse). The fans have had enough, and i for one won't re-new my ST next year unless things start to change for the better!
Strictly Obi Posted September 22, 2011 Posted September 22, 2011 Not sticking up for anyone but GJ is now only 5 places away from the conference with Northampton. We had two lucky seasons with GJ and I never thought we actually controlled games. Yes, and i settle for two lucky wins under Millen at the moment.....
Guest Syco Posted September 23, 2011 Posted September 23, 2011 We played some quality football under johnson i clearly remember walking out the ground on numerous occasions saying it was arsenal esque and i would agree I think that quality football was skewed because of the euphoria surrounding our promotion. I clearly remember our promotion season and I thought we we average all season. The fact S****horpe won the league shows how poor that league was that season. I thought we were heading for the play offs again and for us that would have been a bad season. We had a good run in march. We won many games one nil. If Forest didn't bottle it as usual we would have been confined to the play offs. I was surprised but delighted we got promoted. We had seen dire at AG for years so seeing a successful through ball was bound to excite fans. Base games and season on the merits and nothing else then yes it was decent football but not like Arsenal and against weak opposition. In our first season in the CCC the whole club had a buzz about it and I will admit I bloody loved it and got carried away with it. Johnson knew how to talk and brainwash people. He wasn't called delboy by many for no reason. He could convince you we played like Arsenal even if we played more like Arsenal. He also managed to get vast amounts of money out of our chairman. Remember in the play off year our GD was +1. That says it all about our Arsenal like football. Johnson was a very good motivator and I would say his methods were much like Brian Cloughs. It worked for a while and with limited ability players. However in this day and age Cloughs way will not work over a prolonged period of time. It all went wrong for Johnson when expectation levels rose. Play Off final onwards. He did not have the abiity to handle the modern footballer. Basso, Trundle, Carle, Sno, McIndoe etc. Things like throwing cups of tea around the dressing room unfortunately do not work in the modern game and that was Johnson's style. Eventually at Plymouth he allegedly come on stuck with his methods. I think the reason our loverly, kind, considerate, friendly and decent manager known as Keef is starting to get angry is cos he knows unlike GJ who had a decent managerial record and walked straight into another managerial job.......poor old Clueless Keef is going to end up as someone's number two at best as he really has no track record! Don't get me wrong Keef is a lovely man, but i don't want to be mates with him.....i want us to start being an established mid table CC side again.....like we were before he took over. Too many happy clappers like Robbored on here thinking it's not all that bad. It's worse than bad, it's the most boring negative football seen at the Gate since Pulis (pos worse). The fans have had enough, and i for one won't re-new my ST next year unless things start to change for the better! Think back to our league one days, Would you after 9 years of away trips to chesterfield and the like taken a relegation battle in the championship? I would bet my house that 99.9% would have taken it. Nothing wrong with ambition but a touch of realism is also needed. Yes, and i settle for two lucky wins under Millen at the moment..... Funny that because it all started to go down hill for GJ when in our second CCC season his tactics was to get a goal and try and hold on for it. Sometimes even for 75 minutes. Many started to complain about his tactics and when the wins dried up we suffered heavy defeats. Good money was thrown after bad. Our creative players were shipped out or not played and had GJ not left I believe we would have gone down without a doubt. We are still recovering from that dark period today. I'm not a GJ hater I will always appreciate where he got us, Feel the club should have replaced him sooner whilst our stock was high but hey ho. He shook this club up when we needed it. At the time it was easy to slate him or some easy to be loyal to him after what he did. Now that time has passed it's easy to look back on it and able to offer a balanced view. Some things he did well and some things he did bad. I would also suggest others were to blame. The board for giving him a open cheque and possibly even Keith. We will never know for sure what happened behind the scenes. Basso and Trundle have hinted and I feel with the return on Basso we may be about to hear some more. A book by say Hartley would be intriguing.
Andy082005 Posted September 23, 2011 Posted September 23, 2011 Thats right. I posted that at the time but the blind couldn't see............. Yes Robbo..............you were right all along :fastasleep:
The Dolman Pragmatist Posted September 23, 2011 Posted September 23, 2011 So after 1 season and 5 or 6 games Millen has noticed we are not tough or aggressive enough. So has decided to do something about it this week, not last season, not in pre season but a few games into his 2nd season! Now some coaches are pro active, others are reactive... But this beggars belief. Over a season if what is being reported is true, to notice we don't have a nasty side and he is working on it in training this week! Only a bit late Millen me old mucker! Just wish he would keep his gob shut, the drivel that flows is getting worse and worse. Nothing like shooting yourself in the foot is there. "The drivel that flows is getting worse and worse". I couldn't sum up this post better.
Andy082005 Posted September 23, 2011 Posted September 23, 2011 "The drivel that flows is getting worse and worse". I couldn't sum up this post better. .....do you not think it is a ridiculous observation to make though?? how has he only just decided to acted on the fact were to nice? I have this vision of someone like Skuse welling up if anyone shouts at him in the changing room....
Riaz Posted September 23, 2011 Posted September 23, 2011 Not sticking up for anyone but GJ is now only 5 places away from the conference with Northampton. We had two lucky seasons with GJ and I never thought we actually controlled games. Thats right. I posted that at the time but the blind couldn't see............. He took the club from the relegation zone of League One to almost the Premier League..... and it was all luck???! Its a shame that all the managers for the previous 9 years did'nt have any luck
Guest Syco Posted September 23, 2011 Posted September 23, 2011 He took the club from the relegation zone of League One to almost the Premier League..... and it was all luck???! Its a shame that all the managers for the previous 9 years did'nt have any luck It was his character rather than his management ability. A car sales man would have had the same successes.
Riaz Posted September 23, 2011 Posted September 23, 2011 It was his character rather than his management ability. A car sales man would have had the same successes. Now I know your joking!
downendcity Posted September 23, 2011 Posted September 23, 2011 Not sticking up for anyone but GJ is now only 5 places away from the conference with Northampton. We had two lucky seasons with GJ and I never thought we actually controlled games. It was lucky that SL appointed a manager with the balls to do what was needed to change the club from top to bottom when he first came in. It was lucky that GJ changed the culture at the club to make us more professional, so that the player's knew who was the boss and that they coudn't carry on as they liked. Some of them ( and some of our fans) didn't like that and we had to go through a 9 game losing streak before the club could progress but it was lucky that GJ was prepared to take the flack to see that through. It was lucky that GJ restorted a sense of pride in the club. It was lucky that GJ had the ability to get a team to perform to a level greater than that of the individual players. It was lucky that the press constantly reported about the quality of our football and that fans of other clubs respected the way we played. It was lucky that we had a manager with the personality and charecter to galvanise fans support. Yes there are things he could have done differently or better, and when things went sour at the end he had to go. With his charecter and personality he was bound to rub some people up the wrong way, and there were many just waiting for things to go wrong as a result and which didn't help his cause . However, to say he had a couple of lucky seasons is more than disingenuous to probably our best manager in over 20 years.
Strictly Obi Posted September 23, 2011 Posted September 23, 2011 I think that quality football was skewed because of the euphoria surrounding our promotion. I clearly remember our promotion season and I thought we we average all season. The fact S****horpe won the league shows how poor that league was that season. I thought we were heading for the play offs again and for us that would have been a bad season. We had a good run in march. We won many games one nil. If Forest didn't bottle it as usual we would have been confined to the play offs. I was surprised but delighted we got promoted. We had seen dire at AG for years so seeing a successful through ball was bound to excite fans. Base games and season on the merits and nothing else then yes it was decent football but not like Arsenal and against weak opposition. In our first season in the CCC the whole club had a buzz about it and I will admit I bloody loved it and got carried away with it. Johnson knew how to talk and brainwash people. He wasn't called delboy by many for no reason. He could convince you we played like Arsenal even if we played more like Arsenal. He also managed to get vast amounts of money out of our chairman. Remember in the play off year our GD was +1. That says it all about our Arsenal like football. Johnson was a very good motivator and I would say his methods were much like Brian Cloughs. It worked for a while and with limited ability players. However in this day and age Cloughs way will not work over a prolonged period of time. It all went wrong for Johnson when expectation levels rose. Play Off final onwards. He did not have the abiity to handle the modern footballer. Basso, Trundle, Carle, Sno, McIndoe etc. Things like throwing cups of tea around the dressing room unfortunately do not work in the modern game and that was Johnson's style. Eventually at Plymouth he allegedly come on stuck with his methods. Think back to our league one days, Would you after 9 years of away trips to chesterfield and the like taken a relegation battle in the championship? I would bet my house that 99.9% would have taken it. Nothing wrong with ambition but a touch of realism is also needed. Funny that because it all started to go down hill for GJ when in our second CCC season his tactics was to get a goal and try and hold on for it. Sometimes even for 75 minutes. Many started to complain about his tactics and when the wins dried up we suffered heavy defeats. Good money was thrown after bad. Our creative players were shipped out or not played and had GJ not left I believe we would have gone down without a doubt. We are still recovering from that dark period today. I'm not a GJ hater I will always appreciate where he got us, Feel the club should have replaced him sooner whilst our stock was high but hey ho. He shook this club up when we needed it. At the time it was easy to slate him or some easy to be loyal to him after what he did. Now that time has passed it's easy to look back on it and able to offer a balanced view. Some things he did well and some things he did bad. I would also suggest others were to blame. The board for giving him a open cheque and possibly even Keith. We will never know for sure what happened behind the scenes. Basso and Trundle have hinted and I feel with the return on Basso we may be about to hear some more. A book by say Hartley would be intriguing. Let's face it, if Keef gets the sack he ain't going to get another managerial position in the football league.....conference maybe. The fact you are still trying to make excuses for him is laughable. I would suggest his day's are numbered. The board ain't backing him, neither are the players from what i've seen. And you can't compare him to GJ cos Keefs achieved nowt!
Andy082005 Posted September 23, 2011 Posted September 23, 2011 Let's face it, if Keef gets the sack he ain't going to get another managerial position in the football league.....conference maybe. The fact you are still trying to make excuses for him is laughable. I would suggest his day's are numbered. The board ain't backing him, neither are the players from what i've seen. And you can't compare him to GJ cos Keefs achieved nowt! I agree. I cannot understand where some fans get this belief in Keith, yet make out GJ was some kind of fraud. Keith is a terrible manager, and was an average coach. As you said, he wouldnt get another managers job in the football league, and....if we dont take at least 4 points from our next two homes games.....I expect us to be looking for a new manager come Wednesday
Guest Syco Posted September 23, 2011 Posted September 23, 2011 Let's face it, if Keef gets the sack he ain't going to get another managerial position in the football league.....conference maybe. The fact you are still trying to make excuses for him is laughable. I would suggest his day's are numbered. The board ain't backing him, neither are the players from what i've seen. And you can't compare him to GJ cos Keefs achieved nowt! Not denying our achievements at all at at the time I was pro GJ. BUT looking back now whilst not in the bubble it's easy to have a balenced view. Not the best at percentages but in the championship Keiths win rate is something like 37%. GJ's win rate in the Championship was 42%. We can't compare achievements but we can compare percentages and although Keith's is slightly lower he has had to spend a considerable amount less than GJ did and I would say the Championship has been stronger the past two years than it was when GJ was in charge. As Championship managers they are on a par and I would say as he has age on his side he has age on his side.
TRL Posted September 23, 2011 Author Posted September 23, 2011 Not denying our achievements at all at at the time I was pro GJ. BUT looking back now whilst not in the bubble it's easy to have a balenced view. Not the best at percentages but in the championship Keiths win rate is something like 37%. GJ's win rate in the Championship was 42%. We can't compare achievements but we can compare percentages and although Keith's is slightly lower he has had to spend a considerable amount less than GJ did and I would say the Championship has been stronger the past two years than it was when GJ was in charge. As Championship managers they are on a par and I would say as he has age on his side he has age on his side. Johnson had a 40% win ratio, Millen 56% in his caretaker spell, 33% in his current spell. What it proves, I don't know. Apart from Millen needs to improve his win ratio, which is one thing we all agree on.
Robbored Posted September 23, 2011 Posted September 23, 2011 It was his character rather than his management ability. A car sales man would have had the same successes. You know what Syco? I'm beginning to enjoy your posts more and more. I see you have a small number of posts. Were you on here previously under another username?
Riaz Posted September 23, 2011 Posted September 23, 2011 You know what Syco? I'm beginning to enjoy your post more and more. I see you have a small number of posts. Were you on here previously under another username? If GJ was no better than a cars salesman - what does that make Millen and Danny Wilson? Binmen?
TRL Posted September 23, 2011 Author Posted September 23, 2011 If GJ was no better than a cars salesman - what does that make Millen and Danny Wilson? Binmen? . Th had the personality to invigorate the club and got the forward momentum. He got the team playing as a team not individuals, for that he must be commended. I don't think he had the right personality to be respected enough when things were going against him, also he was very rigid with his tactics, he took us as far as I think he could. Millen now he I think is missing something personality wise, he can't get fans motivated in the same way, this could be a problem for the club. I think tatically he is better than gj. And more open to trying different formations and players. In the long term I believe he can be a good manager.... But does he have the personality to drive forward his ideas and get the players playing for him? Time will tell, and he may not have much of it. I hope he is successful, I'd like him to be.
Andy082005 Posted September 23, 2011 Posted September 23, 2011 You know what Syco? I'm beginning to enjoy your posts more and more. I see you have a small number of posts. Were you on here previously under another username? Are you sure your not setting up different account names here Robbo??
Andy082005 Posted September 23, 2011 Posted September 23, 2011 . Th had the personality to invigorate the club and got the forward momentum. He got the team playing as a team not individuals, for that he must be commended. I don't think he had the right personality to be respected enough when things were going against him, also he was very rigid with his tactics, he took us as far as I think he could. Millen now he I think is missing something personality wise, he can't get fans motivated in the same way, this could be a problem for the club. I think tatically he is better than gj. And more open to trying different formations and players. In the long term I believe he can be a good manager.... But does he have the personality to drive forward his ideas and get the players playing for him? Time will tell, and he may not have much of it. I hope he is successful, I'd like him to be. He is missing a LOT!!
Robbored Posted September 23, 2011 Posted September 23, 2011 Are you sure your not setting up different account names here Robbo?? I'm not as articulate as Syco. He's quite a word smith who posts a lot of sense.
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