Luke_Ciderhead Posted August 7, 2012 Report Share Posted August 7, 2012 My understanding is that Ross Crail tends to find in favour of virtually every TVG she works on. FFS, she even agreed with the Nimby's that a litter strewn, methane pipe invested dump was a TVG. That's why I think this is very bad news, not melodramatic just very depressing. It doesnt matter if we appoint Maggie Thatcher, the queen of sheba or the gingerbread man. The bottom line is, the council want the stadium and the final decision is theirs. When it comes to the final decision, the village green application is going to be thrown into the trash, where it deserves. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tall King Blox Posted August 7, 2012 Report Share Posted August 7, 2012 I know, I just rewrote it and it still don't read well . Try a MAY, not being pedantic but the english language sometimes throws up little bastards like that Edit: just read the re-post, apologies Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ciderup Posted August 7, 2012 Report Share Posted August 7, 2012 It doesnt matter if we appoint Maggie Thatcher, the queen of sheba or the gingerbread man. The bottom line is, the council want the stadium and the final decision is theirs. When it comes to the final decision, the village green application is going to be thrown into the trash, where it deserves. I hope you are right Luke but didn't the council say they would abide by the officers recommendation in the new application? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bristolcitysweden Posted August 7, 2012 Report Share Posted August 7, 2012 I hope you are right Luke but didn't the council say they would abide by the officers recommendation in the new application? My understanding as well Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedRock Posted August 7, 2012 Report Share Posted August 7, 2012 Interesting if there is a compensation issue here. Given planning permission has been granted for a stadium, I wonder if SL is eligible for significant compensation? Could end up with ratepayers coughing up for the rights of residents pitbulls to have a crap. Shocking piece of legislation in my view. Wonder if SL has any route under the human rights act (an equally crap piece of legislation) for rights to enjoy his own property? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
all in red Posted August 7, 2012 Report Share Posted August 7, 2012 i think everything will be fine in the end and we will get our stadium its not over yet Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bristolcitysweden Posted August 7, 2012 Report Share Posted August 7, 2012 Anyone reckon we already own/got an option to buy the land between Williams and Winterstoke Rd? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted August 7, 2012 Report Share Posted August 7, 2012 The council have already stated they will go with the recommendation. Ross Crail has ALWAYS come down in favour of recommending a plot of land as TVG in every case she's overlooked. It's abundantly clear once more that someone from inside the council is a) working against us and b) leaking all this. It's about time the council found out who and deal with it accordingly Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted August 7, 2012 Report Share Posted August 7, 2012 Anyone reckon we already own/got an option to buy the land between Williams and Winterstoke Rd? Brady has been sold. Midas are sill next door and Wickes etc are quite happy next to that. It would cost millions to buy up those plots of land Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sbred Posted August 7, 2012 Report Share Posted August 7, 2012 Sounds like we might aswell call it a day if this is the case. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
italian dave Posted August 7, 2012 Report Share Posted August 7, 2012 I don't like the sound of this quote...... “But this was no ordinary landfill site. “As recognised by the local planning authority, because of its proximity to housing it was not a location where tipping would have been allowed had ordinary planning controls applied. “Local residents still needed to walk their dogs and local children still wanted somewhere to play. “Given those factors and the background of previous recreational users, I find it credible that during the landfill period, people did continue to walk round and play on the untouched and restored parts of Field 1 (the landfill site) and in the other fields. “I also find it entirely credible that as soon as Field 1 was fully restored and grassed, recreational use of the whole of it was resumed. “I can see no reason why it would not have been. Indeed, there are several factors which support the probability of that having been the case.” Earlier she says in her report: “I find that the whole of the Application Land (the 42-acre site) was extensively used throughout the critical 20-year period by local people for informal recreation. “I base that finding on the oral evidence of the 22 witnesses called by the applicants (the residents) who all appeared to me to be honest witnesses. They did not give me the impression of exaggerating their personal use of the Application Land.” She says the whole site was “patently an attractive place for recreation”. So...anywhere where, in the past 20 years, people have "walked around and played" can become a village green and can't be built on. Not a lot of new development going to happen in this country in the coming years then, is there?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T R Posted August 7, 2012 Report Share Posted August 7, 2012 I'm getting really green'd off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ciderup Posted August 7, 2012 Report Share Posted August 7, 2012 So...anywhere where, in the past 20 years, people have "walked around and played" can become a village green and can't be built on. Not a lot of new development going to happen in this country in the coming years then, is there?? It looks like that's how it is in Miss Crails' world Dave, Scandalous TBH. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Posted August 7, 2012 Report Share Posted August 7, 2012 So who appoints the inspector? the council? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bristolcitysweden Posted August 7, 2012 Report Share Posted August 7, 2012 In between Jessop Underpass and Smeaton Rd/Cumberland Rd? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
freezer Posted August 7, 2012 Report Share Posted August 7, 2012 In between Jessop Underpass and Smeaton Rd/Cumberland Rd? What is? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atticus Posted August 8, 2012 Report Share Posted August 8, 2012 All this goes way over my head too. How on earth can the land be classed as a public village green when somebody owns it?? So it could turn out that SL bought land that he can do f all with? And if this Ross Crail passes everything as a Village Green how are they still in a job?? Surely the credibility would go down no?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
del ete Posted August 8, 2012 Report Share Posted August 8, 2012 The council have already stated they will go with the recommendation. Ross Crail has ALWAYS come down in favour of recommending a plot of land as TVG in every case she's overlooked. It's abundantly clear once more that someone from inside the council is a) working against us and b) leaking all this. It's about time the council found out who and deal with it accordingly Is it gospel that ms crail always registers land as a vg?! I repeated that on here once and was slated by a couple of posters claiming this incorrect. I will get stuck into google later and check her previous work. Ive heard from an interesting sauce that bristol citizen is a councik employee or simply the mouthpiece for an inside man/ women working against us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kid in the Riot Posted August 8, 2012 Report Share Posted August 8, 2012 Ive heard from an interesting sauce that bristol citizen is a council employee. Good sauce. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monkeh Posted August 8, 2012 Report Share Posted August 8, 2012 am i the only one who doesn't care anymore, TVG they have to buy the land back off of lansdown etherway the council have f 'ed up Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barrs Court Red Posted August 8, 2012 Report Share Posted August 8, 2012 am i the only one who doesn't care anymore, TVG they have to buy the land back off of lansdown etherway the council have f 'ed up Do they? Not sure that's true Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monkeh Posted August 8, 2012 Report Share Posted August 8, 2012 No they don't - why on Earth would the council have to do that ? Its the landowners who have cocked it up by not carrying out due dilligence over the purchase of the land. The council sold it to him in the first place I think they have to buy it back at the price they sold it to him, etherway a claim will going in because of the planning costs incured, I'm sure its all under a contract clause lansdown isn't stupid Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monkeh Posted August 8, 2012 Report Share Posted August 8, 2012 I remeber reading a case in wales where a housing devloper brought land got planning permission then the village won TVG status and ended up costing the villagers 500k + (or somthing) to cover the devlopers costs, I'll see if i can find the artical Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chipdawg Posted August 8, 2012 Report Share Posted August 8, 2012 No they don't - why on Earth would the council have to do that ? Its the landowners who have cocked it up by not carrying out due dilligence over the purchase of the land. I think there is provision within te legislation for a local authority to compensate a land owner if his land is declared a TVG. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barrs Court Red Posted August 8, 2012 Report Share Posted August 8, 2012 I really hope that this wouldnt put Servenside back on the agenda http://www.thisisbristol.co.uk/Deal-brings-new-junction-M49-closer-reality/story-16668225-detail/story.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aller g Posted August 8, 2012 Report Share Posted August 8, 2012 Brady has been sold. Midas are sill next door and Wickes etc are quite happy next to that. It would cost millions to buy up those plots of land Tom, Am i right in thinking that Braby was purchased in 2011 by an anonymous buyer? I spoke to CS after he left Ashton Gate and he told me the most likely outcome in all of this would be to redevelop Ashton Gate. I know we already have planning permission for the ground as its stated in the planning statement • Full planning application to replace the Williams (west) stand with a new 11,543 seat stand (LPA Ref: 98/03708/F), approved 28 July 1999. • Outline planning application to replace the Wedlock (south) and Dolman (east) stand with new stands (LPA Ref: 98/03709/P), approved 28 July 1999. • Application for the renewal of outline planning permission 98/03709/P to replace the Wedlock (south) and Dolman (east) stand with new stands (LPA Ref: 03/00538/R), approved 09 July 2003. • Reserved matters application (Ref: 03/00538) for the demolition of the existing Wedlock stand and the erection of a new three storey 5,000 seater stand with ancillary accommodation (LPA Ref: 05/00974/M), approved 28 July 2005. • Application for the renewal of full planning permission 98/03708/F for the demolition of the Williams (west) stand and construction of a new 11,543 seat stand (LPA Ref: 05/03729/R), approved 22 February 2006. I was told however that the pitch would be rotated - which would leave the above applications void. Leaving no plans in the pipe line to redevelop any time soon. Would be interested to know if anyone has any more info on this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barrs Court Red Posted August 8, 2012 Report Share Posted August 8, 2012 I didn't realise that any plans had ever been sumbitted to replace the Dolman. That's surprising. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aller g Posted August 8, 2012 Report Share Posted August 8, 2012 Very, anyone know if its possible to get these plans? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Port Said Red Posted August 8, 2012 Report Share Posted August 8, 2012 I didn't realise that any plans had ever been sumbitted to replace the Dolman. That's surprising. While it would not be the priority in ground renovation, it will be necessary. Although it was groundbreaking in it's time (the largest single steel girder span when built) that was 40 years ago and has been pointed out many times on here it is poorly designed in that in forces those exiting out through the front of the structure. Any new design would surely include corporate boxes and a much more state of the art exhibition hall etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barrs Court Red Posted August 8, 2012 Report Share Posted August 8, 2012 While it would not be the priority in ground renovation, it will be necessary. Although it was groundbreaking in it's time (the largest single steel girder span when built) that was 40 years ago and has been pointed out many times on here it is poorly designed in that in forces those exiting out through the front of the structure. Any new design would surely include corporate boxes and a much more state of the art exhibition hall etc. I meant a surprise in that nothing's ever been announced other than a brief look at adding boxes at the back of the stand Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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