Eco Posted February 1, 2013 Report Share Posted February 1, 2013 Following last weeks cup defeats, for example Norwich & Liverpool against the mighty Luton & Oldham, plus the struggle in the Championship of all three relegated teams from last season and the (relative) success of last years promoted teams, so far just wondering if it's all it's cracked up to be ? Is there a levelling out of ability across the leagues ? I can't really think of any other reason. Wolves, Bolton & Blackburn haven't ditched many of last years squad's that I'm aware of. I know some teams rested players for the cup matches but you'd still expect them to win. Take out the 'big seven', Man Utd, Man City, Arsenal, Tottenham, Chelsea, Everton & Liverpool and it seems you're left with teams whose main aim is to avoid relegation and pay out silly money in wages in the process. Not having Sky I've never actually watched a PL game on TV and have never seen a match live so can't really comment on the standard, obviously you get brief highlights on MOTD. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brizzle Jordan Posted February 1, 2013 Report Share Posted February 1, 2013 Premier League is the best due to his unpredictability and controversy. La Liga is the best in terms of world class players Bundesliga is the best when it comes to full stadiums Serie A is the best at match fixing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barrs Court Red Posted February 1, 2013 Report Share Posted February 1, 2013 Using FA cup games just doesn't work. I guess the champions league is the only way to judge as its a measure against the top sides in Europe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WolfOfWestStreet Posted February 1, 2013 Report Share Posted February 1, 2013 Using FA cup games just doesn't work. I guess the champions league is the only way to judge as its a measure against the top sides in Europe. Indeed. The PL has had 8 finalists from 4 teams in the last 10 years La Liga 3 finals by one team in the same timeframe (guess who!) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Esmond Million's Bung Posted February 1, 2013 Report Share Posted February 1, 2013 Most of the worlds best players don't play in the premiership. My view is the premiership = overrated top 3 won't be over taken only 4th place is up for grabs, so slightly more interesting than Spanish football. Spain - great football but apart from 2 seasons when Valencia won the title only Barcelona or Real Madrid can conceivably win the title, yawn. Germany - Great football, technically brilliant, huge passionate crowds, will only get better and although Bayern Munich are the most consistent team the title does get shared around more than the above. Italy - bent, mainly a 3 horse race, not as good as the above anymore. A special mention for Scotland at least Celtic used to have 1 team to oppose them, but now any titles won without any viable opposition are going to be as much of an achievement as North Korean elections, waste of time and energy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keith_Lemon Posted February 1, 2013 Report Share Posted February 1, 2013 I hate the PL. From a true football stance it's the worse in the world. Too many foreign players, diving, plastic fans, ruled by same clubs, Manchester United etc. Though it's never been published or unleashed in some way I would not be surprised if there was match fixing involved in the PL and drug use was pretty 'normal' for some clubs. Seems very corrupt in my eyes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CiderArmyy Posted February 1, 2013 Report Share Posted February 1, 2013 Such a crap league I'd never EVER want to go up...Nothing to worry about then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aizoon Posted February 1, 2013 Report Share Posted February 1, 2013 What inserts itself in my nasal passages is Sky's belief that football started with the PL. All the stats are about "most goals in the PL", "most appearances in the PL", as if the start of the PL was Year Zero. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Welcome To The Jungle Posted February 1, 2013 Report Share Posted February 1, 2013 I hate the PL. From a true football stance it's the worse in the world. Too many foreign players, diving, plastic fans, ruled by same clubs, Manchester United etc. Though it's never been published or unleashed in some way I would not be surprised if there was match fixing involved in the PL and drug use was pretty 'normal' for some clubs. Seems very corrupt in my eyes. Yet thats where we want to be... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Portland Bill Posted February 1, 2013 Report Share Posted February 1, 2013 Before the Prem season starts most people on here could roughly predict the end of season league table. Says it all really, predictable. No one could do the same with the Championship. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brizzle Jordan Posted February 1, 2013 Report Share Posted February 1, 2013 Before the Prem season starts most people on here could roughly predict the end of season league table. Says it all really, predictable. No one could do the same with the Championship. Disagree slightly Not many people would have predicted Newcastle being in 15th, West Brom being in 9th, Swansea in 8th and only four points off Arsenal who are in 6th. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red Cloud Posted February 1, 2013 Report Share Posted February 1, 2013 Before the Prem season starts most people on here could roughly predict the end of season league table. Says it all really, predictable. No one could do the same with the Championship. the only really exciting thing about the prem is the relegation battle, says it all really! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Portland Bill Posted February 1, 2013 Report Share Posted February 1, 2013 Disagree slightly Not many people would have predicted Newcastle being in 15th, West Brom being in 9th, Swansea in 8th and only four points off Arsenal who are in 6th. At the moment! I said the final league table. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robbored Posted February 1, 2013 Report Share Posted February 1, 2013 More people world wide watch the PL than any other. If it was so crap they wouldn't watch it. Personally I like it and watch as many games as I can. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cider mad Posted February 2, 2013 Report Share Posted February 2, 2013 More people world wide watch the PL than any other. If it was so crap they wouldn't watch it. Personally I like it and watch as many games as I can. Same here. I love the prem, it's one thing we have in england thats better than everyone else! If city ever get promoted i'd be over the moon! I certainly wouldn't be wishing we were still in the championship! As for someone saying that prem fans are plastic, your a nob, simple as that! If we went up, would that make you a plastic bcfc fan? Prem is where its at, dont hate it! Love it! One day we'll be there, winning trophies (maybe dreaming slightly) and none of us will be saying that we're playing in a rubbish, boring, predictable league! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red-Robbo Posted February 2, 2013 Report Share Posted February 2, 2013 Same here. I love the prem, it's one thing we have in england thats better than everyone else! If city ever get promoted i'd be over the moon! I certainly wouldn't be wishing we were still in the championship! As for someone saying that prem fans are plastic, your a nob, simple as that! If we went up, would that make you a plastic bcfc fan? Prem is where its at, dont hate it! Love it! One day we'll be there, winning trophies (maybe dreaming slightly) and none of us will be saying that we're playing in a rubbish, boring, predictable league! I don't think we're playing in a rubbish, boring, predictable league now! I have no interest in the PL and very rarely watch it TBH, but if people do, that's cool. Each to their own. Obviously, if at some distant future time we were a top flight club again, I'd follow it closely. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
havanatopia Posted February 2, 2013 Report Share Posted February 2, 2013 Disagree slightly Not many people would have predicted Newcastle being in 15th, West Brom being in 9th, Swansea in 8th and only four points off Arsenal who are in 6th. I think Portland generally refers to the top 7-8 anyway... they are all pretty much in position as we speak.. the cream takes a while to rise but mid term report is that it is business as usual. From about position 8 downwards I agree... it perhaps should be re-named the Premiership Championship. Manure, Manbudhabi, Chelski, Totnukah, Arseyank, Toffee, Livs - they are all in position now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redcityman Posted February 2, 2013 Report Share Posted February 2, 2013 The premier league is nothing for us to be proud of, it's just a mechanism to get as much money out of the football fan as possible, it's one of the reasons football finances are in such a state today. All the premier league as given us is a climate of pure greed and arrogance, a climate where the national team comes second to the pound, a culture where you can claim to be a supporter of a top club because you seen them play numerous times, on Sky. Give me pre premier leagues days anytime, an era where clubs could have aspirations of doing a Wimbledon or Ipswich when the odds were more fairly balanced, not a closed shop like it is today. Yeah can't wait for us to get there only to be left wondering who's gonna save us when all the parasites have taken their slice of cake and done a runner. The premier league is shit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Batman Posted February 2, 2013 Report Share Posted February 2, 2013 I like the premier league. I don't buy into the whole plastic thing. What about the supporters of these clubs who have been going since before 1992? We all dream of going undefeated for a whole league season like arsenal did (best footballing side I've ever seen) and to see the top players from all over the world on your doorstep. A very close 2nd is the bundesliga. Safe standing, cheap tickets, excellent football, promoting youth players, some of that the prem has lacked but I think is starting to focus more toward now. I think some take the premiership for granted cuz we see it every week so we are used to seeing it all the time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gas8er Posted February 2, 2013 Report Share Posted February 2, 2013 Following last weeks cup defeats, for example Norwich & Liverpool against the mighty Luton & Oldham, plus the struggle in the Championship of all three relegated teams from last season and the (relative) success of last years promoted teams, so far just wondering if it's all it's cracked up to be ? Is there a levelling out of ability across the leagues ? I can't really think of any other reason. Wolves, Bolton & Blackburn haven't ditched many of last years squad's that I'm aware of. I know some teams rested players for the cup matches but you'd still expect them to win. Take out the 'big seven', Man Utd, Man City, Arsenal, Tottenham, Chelsea, Everton & Liverpool and it seems you're left with teams whose main aim is to avoid relegation and pay out silly money in wages in the process. Not having Sky I've never actually watched a PL game on TV and have never seen a match live so can't really comment on the standard, obviously you get brief highlights on MOTD. Do you live in a cave? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
22A Posted February 2, 2013 Report Share Posted February 2, 2013 A favourite rant of mine. When the then League Division 1 clubs resigned from the Football League to form the Prem, Brian Clough was manager of Forest who were one of those clubs. He publicly stated "If this premierships helps Forest then it's a good thing, but not if it's to the detriment of the likes of Hartlepool". At first the Prem was Div 1 under a new name, but then Sky began brainwashing people into believing it was much better than what had gone before. The first ever Monday Night Prem game was Man C v QPR and the Managers complained that it did not seem right to sit around on the opening day of the season and not to be playing until the Monday. Rather ironic that those two teams were both in what had been Div 3 a few years later. Go back some years though and BBC MOTD on Sat night would show two top games, usually, but not always from Div 1. If the top 2 in Div 4 were playing that would be one of the two games shown as it was a MOTD. Sunday afternoons the various ITV companies would show three local games. Except for HTV who insisted on showing us the London game. One week Anglia broadcast City's 3-1 win atLuton, but HTV still showed us the Spurs game. Then in the 80's ITV bought the rights to the entire football league leaving BBC out in the cold. ITV started showing live games on Sundays but; they concentrated on just six teams; Man U, Liverpool Everton, Arsenal, Spurs and Forest. If any two of those were playing each other you knew that would be the game. This was the point where certain clubs started to think people were only interested in them and the rest is history. When the League still consisted of four divisions, gate receipts were split three ways. The majority went to the home team, some went to the visitors as their fans would have contributed to the receipts and a third split went to the league. All the gate money that went to the league from every club was divided into 92 equal portions at the end of the season. At the time the top 2 div clubs had one vote each whilst the lower two duvs had 4 votes between them and were referred to only as associate members. They then challenged this and at the League AGM a compromse was reached. The 24 clubs in Div 4 - 1 vote each. The 24 in Div 3 - 3 votes each. The 22 in Div 2 - 6 votes each and the 22 in Div 1 - 12 votes each. Do the maths and yes, the 22 in Div 1 could out vote the other 70 clubs. Having agreed that, the big clubs then pushed through the ruling that in future each club would retain 100% of it's gate receipts and all other income would be down to merchandising, TV and sponsorship,Great for Man U, but not for nearby Bury. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
22A Posted February 2, 2013 Report Share Posted February 2, 2013 A further thought. Before winning promotion to the Championsjip, the question was asked on this forum "Do you want City in the Prem". Most posters stated the prices were too high, kick off times too erratic etc and they would be happy for City to be a strong Championship team with the occasional good cup run. (yes I know, we still want this). Then we were promoted and nearly made it to the Prem and most people then changed their opinions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldstandrobin Posted February 2, 2013 Report Share Posted February 2, 2013 To us older supporters who can remember Lgs 1 2 3 and 4, the Premiership was hijacked by Sky and the Sun. I tend to get the Independant (SW) on a sunday so I can follow City even through Richard Latham. It is a money making machine with a 'long term' recipe for football disaster when football falls out of favour. Get most national newspapers and the PL takes pride of place with Chsp, Lg 1 and 2 getting minimum space. I had a season ticket with Malaga when I lived in Spain and was very dissapointed with standard of football in La Liga, Chsp here is just as good. :ill: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brizzle Jordan Posted February 2, 2013 Report Share Posted February 2, 2013 Players don't say it's the best league in the world for nothing. The fans, the pitches, the atmosphere is second to none. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redfieldred Posted February 2, 2013 Report Share Posted February 2, 2013 You cant argue with the fact that the premiership's 3rd best team are European champions. So it cant be that bad. Standards of football are not easily measurable - thats why its such a great game. The unexpected can happen at any time. I think its not so much a case of how good it is as the unexpected. Hardly any teams (even Stoke) play hoofball in Prem or Europe- so they dont know how to play against it. Thats why replays are usually won by prem sides. They have worked out what they are up against. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ralphindevon Posted February 2, 2013 Report Share Posted February 2, 2013 I'm on holiday in Malaysia at the moment. They love their football but just 2 leagues dominate all the tv coverage, La liga and the PL. Looking at the locals walking around in replica shirts, it's nearly all PL, mainly Man U. I'm happy to report, they don't seem to know Cardiff exist. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chivs Posted February 2, 2013 Report Share Posted February 2, 2013 More people world wide watch the PL than any other. If it was so crap they wouldn't watch it. Personally I like it and watch as many games as I can. I flicked through the papers on Wednesday looking for a paragraph on the mighty Bristol City overcoming a run away Watford. There was 4 pages of Premiershit coverage including details on games that hadn't yet happened. There was nothing, zilch, diddly squat on any of the Championship or FL games. This must mean the Premiershit is ace. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aizoon Posted February 2, 2013 Report Share Posted February 2, 2013 Players don't say it's the best league in the world for nothing. Really? How much are they paid to say it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redfieldred Posted February 2, 2013 Report Share Posted February 2, 2013 I flicked through the papers on Wednesday looking for a paragraph on the mighty Bristol City overcoming a run away Watford. There was 4 pages of Premiershit coverage including details on games that hadn't yet happened. There was nothing, zilch, diddly squat on any of the Championship or FL games. This must mean the Premiershit is ace. I couldnt agree more - but you forgot to add page long interviews with ONE PLAYER! They love a good foreign player those journos. Look at the completely over the top reaction to one player leaving Man City. They did well to get rid of the ego on legs that is Ballatelli. Hacks love him because his admitedly amusing infantile behaviour makes far easier and sensational copy than an entire league that is as exciting as you can get - the Championship. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eco Posted February 2, 2013 Author Report Share Posted February 2, 2013 I was trying to make the point that this season, in particular, it seems as though there isn't the gulf in class between the championship and PL based on how the relegated teams have done and also the promoted teams. Also how can Luton go and win at Norwich ? It was the case in previous seasons that many teams that went up came straight down and vice versa, this doesn't seem to happen as often these days, is it due to the C'ship getting better or the PL (top 7 apart) worse ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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