Esmond Million's Bung Posted March 7, 2013 Report Share Posted March 7, 2013 My anti Man Utd agenda stems from living and working in Somerset and being surrounded by people who claim they support them! The same people who seem to claim they are better supporters than others because there team "wins things". These same people would not know how to find Manchester on a map. I've no problem with people with connections to Manchester supporting them,why would I. There are hundreds/thousands of people all over the country from John o Groats to Lands End, who claim to support most of the top 10 teams in the prem + thousands of Celtic fans (most have never even seen Hadrians wall and 50 + coaches from Ireland for every home game, do you also have an 'anti' agenda against all of them?. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poland_red Posted March 7, 2013 Report Share Posted March 7, 2013 Hate, Envy and Bitterness? Grow up. This is football, not the ******* Gaza strip. that's the whole point you string football allows us to display a variety of emotions that are otherwise suppressed in day-to-day life. Christ, I'm not suggesting or sanctioning the bombing of Old Trafford, merely stating I bloody well hate them and what they've done. I actually find it pathetic that people choose to support them in Europe just 'because they're english'. Man Utd are the Starbucks of football, a corporate monster defined by greed, results, marketing and PR. They've gone beyond being a football club, and have done more than most to transform football into some bastard animal that I really don't like. I'm a footballing socialist, and Man Utd and royalty, i am happy to make a song and dance whenever they lose in controversial circumstances, and that's my prerogative. And yeah, I prefer my football to be spiced with rivalry, ill will and animosity. It'd be a boring game if everyone sat around clapping each other and wishing each other the best. Clearly we're cut from a different cloth Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Esmond Million's Bung Posted March 7, 2013 Report Share Posted March 7, 2013 that's the whole point you string football allows us to display a variety of emotions that are otherwise suppressed in day-to-day life. Christ, I'm not suggesting or sanctioning the bombing of Old Trafford, merely stating I bloody well hate them and what they've done. I actually find it pathetic that people choose to support them in Europe just 'because they're english'. Man Utd are the Starbucks of football, a corporate monster defined by greed, results, marketing and PR. They've gone beyond being a football club, and have done more than most to transform football into some bastard animal that I really don't like. I'm a footballing socialist, and Man Utd and royalty, i am happy to make a song and dance whenever they lose in controversial circumstances, and that's my prerogative. And yeah, I prefer my football to be spiced with rivalry, ill will and animosity. It'd be a boring game if everyone sat around clapping each other and wishing each other the best. Clearly we're cut from a different cloth You must really hate manc and chelski then?. PS:- and what Real Madrid the team that beat manu?. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poland_red Posted March 7, 2013 Report Share Posted March 7, 2013 Come off it- we love glorious failure almost as much as success and when that failure is by someone or something that is used to winning, even more so. Regardless- human behaviour or national trait- the root of peoples hatred of Man Utd stems from their success- you can trot out all the ancilliary reasons you like, it come down to their success. I admit I have a soft spot for them (Old Trafford was the first stadium I ever went to) but they're not the first Prem result I look for (Everton- Moyes is a cracking manager and there's a humility to the whole club that is lacking in most other Prem teams these days) so I'm not immune to the arrogance of the fans & the club and the way Fergie treats the Premier League as his own fiefdom, but my points still stand On the red card, leaving all the points about the rights and wrongs of the red card in relation to the laws of the game (though it was neither "violent" or "endangering an opponent" unless a bit if a bruise is now "dangerous"), what direction do you think these kind of decisions are pushing our game in? Eventually we're going to have a situation where physical contact will be completely banned in any form and will be half a notch above tennis. That's the point at which i'll become a full time egg chasing fan. It might have been ill advised but Nani wasn't travelling toward Arbeloa with any force and while there is no reference to 'intent' in the laws of the game (perhaps there should be), it'd be nice to see a little common sense in football for once However, I will concede that the end of the game was still pretty exciting and while I don't think they had clear chances to get back in the game, they could conceivably have still won. Indeed, they conceeded 2 goals they probably shouldn't have done because their concentration was gone fair points chip - on the red card, I don't like the direction the game is being pushed in, nor do i like the precedent decisions such as this set. Believe me, I'd far rather watch a traditional bloodbath with players hacking into each on a pitch that looks like Ypres. But the decision was not a refereeing error, he was following the rules laid down by the Gods. Blame top brass, not the ref. Of course, it goes without saying had that happened to City, i'd be raging at the bit - but being irrational is part of being a football fan i guess Rgds hating Utd for their success - of course, their success plays a huge part in my animosity, they would not have become this untouchable entity / international megabrand had they not been successful in the first place. Rgds the games conclusion - we're arguing ifs and buts here. Personally i enjoyed the climax, of course it would have been great if Utd had pulled one back and really set up a storming, humdinger of a finish. But without the red card, whose to say the game wouldn't have been locked down and fizzled out. It's all guesswork on our part. One thing we can say, is that the red has certainly prompted fierce debate - that's one thing I treasure about football. cheers! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex_BCFC Posted March 7, 2013 Report Share Posted March 7, 2013 So if a Middlesborough player does the same to one of ours on Saturday........................ Then it isn't a red either. Not sure what your point is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poland_red Posted March 7, 2013 Report Share Posted March 7, 2013 You must really hate manc and chelski then?. PS:- and what Real Madrid the team that beat manu?. Es - they're all as bad as each other, Madrid included. However, I'm not from Spain, and have no connection to the country ergo it's the Mancs and the Chelsea's of this world that naturally attract my bile Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRL Posted March 7, 2013 Report Share Posted March 7, 2013 Let's outlaw overhead kicks. Maybe http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/21701370 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chipdawg Posted March 7, 2013 Report Share Posted March 7, 2013 fair points chip - on the red card, I don't like the direction the game is being pushed in, nor do i like the precedent decisions such as this set. Believe me, I'd far rather watch a traditional bloodbath with players hacking into each on a pitch that looks like Ypres. But the decision was not a refereeing error, he was following the rules laid down by the Gods. Blame top brass, not the ref. Of course, it goes without saying had that happened to City, i'd be raging at the bit - but being irrational is part of being a football fan i guess Rgds hating Utd for their success - of course, their success plays a huge part in my animosity, they would not have become this untouchable entity / international megabrand had they not been successful in the first place. Rgds the games conclusion - we're arguing ifs and buts here. Personally i enjoyed the climax, of course it would have been great if Utd had pulled one back and really set up a storming, humdinger of a finish. But without the red card, whose to say the game wouldn't have been locked down and fizzled out. It's all guesswork on our part. One thing we can say, is that the red has certainly prompted fierce debate - that's one thing I treasure about football. cheers! Well that's kind if my point: you don't think it should be a red card, I don't think it's a red card and FIFA's direction on such matters is ambiguous to say the least! But because it was a Man Utd player many people think it is on the grounds that 'try deserve it'! I think there's probably enough of a grey area in what Nani did and the laws of the game for us both to be right! As for Utd's commercial success and ingenue, well I'd rather have that than a Man City or Chelsea or QPR bank rolled by some businessman after a playthings to amuse him in his dotage. Yes they've contributed to the environment in which football exists but at least they earned their commercial and footballing success rather than buying it like some others. As a socialist though, I'm surprised you would support Real Madrid over anyone; the team of the Spanish upper classes, more than occasionally bailed out with public funds, they're the antithesis of socialism in football! That said, football isn't really an environment in which socialism is likely to thrive I guess! Anyone got any good examples of a 'socialist' football club?! St Pauli in Hamburg perhaps? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Portland Bill Posted March 7, 2013 Report Share Posted March 7, 2013 There was a far worse challenge by a Madrid player in the match, the two fisted assault by the keeper on Vidic, when, unlike Nani, he had a clear view of the game in front of him. Vidic's reaction, once he'd recovered, was exemplary and I didn't see too many protests either. Unfortunately your detestation of Man U is fixed and unalterable and you are not open to reasoned debate. We like nothing better in this country than to knock success. I'm more than happy to debate,and have been.because you don't agree with my views there not reasoned? Ok !! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Portland Bill Posted March 7, 2013 Report Share Posted March 7, 2013 Then it isn't a red either. Not sure what your point is. I think you probably do Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
22A Posted March 7, 2013 Report Share Posted March 7, 2013 This sums up Manchester United Fans to me- always a conspiracy or they were robbed. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-nottinghamshire-21687292 And the Man U fan who rang 999 live in Nottinghamshire. Who did he support during the Cloughie era? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cunnyfunt Posted March 7, 2013 Report Share Posted March 7, 2013 And the Man U fan who rang 999 live in Nottinghamshire. Who did he support during the Cloughie era?The kid was 18.. So probably nobody. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poland_red Posted March 7, 2013 Report Share Posted March 7, 2013 Well that's kind if my point: you don't think it should be a red card, I don't think it's a red card and FIFA's direction on such matters is ambiguous to say the least! But because it was a Man Utd player many people think it is on the grounds that 'try deserve it'! I think there's probably enough of a grey area in what Nani did and the laws of the game for us both to be right! As for Utd's commercial success and ingenue, well I'd rather have that than a Man City or Chelsea or QPR bank rolled by some businessman after a playthings to amuse him in his dotage. Yes they've contributed to the environment in which football exists but at least they earned their commercial and footballing success rather than buying it like some others. As a socialist though, I'm surprised you would support Real Madrid over anyone; the team of the Spanish upper classes, more than occasionally bailed out with public funds, they're the antithesis of socialism in football! That said, football isn't really an environment in which socialism is likely to thrive I guess! Anyone got any good examples of a 'socialist' football club?! St Pauli in Hamburg perhaps? Chip - I'm far from a socialist in the real world, the only time socialist principles apply to me are when football is involved! the cash that slushes around the game is the primary reason why the game I originally fell in love with has since died. As I said to Esmond in a previous post, I dislike Real a fair degree an all, but the fact that I have no connection with spain means that it's the British football royalty / billionaires that I channel my aggression towards. People power and all that! On the United front, you mention they haven't bought success, and to a point I admire that their commitment to youth, to polishing diamonds in the rough, etc. Even so, they are not a club that is shy with the cheque book either - ferdinand, berbatov, rooney, veron, persie, anderson have all commanded astronomic fees. And prior to the mega money of the 21st century, let's not forget Utd were very familiar with smashing transfer records prior to all that: Dennis Law, Robson, Keane, Cole (bah!) are all players who were record transfers at the time, and i'm sure there have been many more. The bottom line, god they gnarl me :s Any club that pisses gold and glitter annoys me, and there are far more irritating exmaples than utd (man city, chelsea etc), but even so, Utd stand pretty high in my table of nuclear targets! And yes, cor, I'd love to go and watch St. P! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cunnyfunt Posted March 7, 2013 Report Share Posted March 7, 2013 Chip - I'm far from a socialist in the real world, the only time socialist principles apply to me are when football is involved! the cash that slushes around the game is the primary reason why the game I originally fell in love with has since died. As I said to Esmond in a previous post, I dislike Real a fair degree an all, but the fact that I have no connection with spain means that it's the British football royalty / billionaires that I channel my aggression towards. People power and all that! On the United front, you mention they haven't bought success, and to a point I admire that their commitment to youth, to polishing diamonds in the rough, etc. Even so, they are not a club that is shy with the cheque book either - ferdinand, berbatov, rooney, veron, persie, anderson have all commanded astronomic fees. And prior to the mega money of the 21st century, let's not forget Utd were very familiar with smashing transfer records prior to all that: Dennis Law, Robson, Keane, Cole (bah!) are all players who were record transfers at the time, and i'm sure there have been many more. The bottom line, god they gnarl me :s Any club that pisses gold and glitter annoys me, and there are far more irritating exmaples than utd (man city, chelsea etc), but even so, Utd stand pretty high in my table of nuclear targets! And yes, cor, I'd love to go and watch St. P! Thing is their money was initially brought to the club through the 'local boy done good' chairman Mr Edwards. Not some foreign owner coming in out of the blue using the club as his own real life championship manager. United have made the most of their money through what they have achieved on the pitch throughout all the years gone by. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Portland Bill Posted March 7, 2013 Report Share Posted March 7, 2013 Thing is their money was initially brought to the club through the 'local boy done good' chairman Mr Edwards. Not some foreign owner coming in out of the blue using the club as his own real life championship manager. United have made the most of their money through what they have achieved on the pitch throughout all the years gone by. Don't forget Michael Knighton Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cunnyfunt Posted March 7, 2013 Report Share Posted March 7, 2013 Don't forget Michael Knighton Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maltshoveller Posted March 7, 2013 Report Share Posted March 7, 2013 Thing is their money was initially brought to the club through the 'local boy done good' chairman Mr Edwards. Not some foreign owner coming in out of the blue using the club as his own real life championship manager. United have made the most of their money through what they have achieved on the pitch throughout all the years gone by. Man Utd were a huge club long long before Edwards came to the club!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cunnyfunt Posted March 7, 2013 Report Share Posted March 7, 2013 Man Utd were a huge club long long before Edwards came to the club!!!I was thinking of Louis Edwards but yeah they were huge well before him aswell especially in the 50's. What I fail to understand though is a club with all that history (going back to their first cup win against our boys in 1909) is deemed as a plastic club by some on here. The only thing plastic is the hangers on that only ever watch them on the box and never go to the games. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stephenkibby. Posted March 7, 2013 Report Share Posted March 7, 2013 I was thinking of Louis Edwards but yeah they were huge well before him aswell especially in the 50's. What I fail to understand though is a club with all that history (going back to their first cup win against our boys in 1909) is deemed as a plastic club by some on here. The only thing plastic is the hangers on that only ever watch them on the box and never go to the games. it goes a long back a long time before there recent sucsess. in the late 60s early 70s they had the biggist folowing. even then every other dick waS MAN U . ITS ALMOST LIKE THERE ENGLAND! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Portland Bill Posted March 7, 2013 Report Share Posted March 7, 2013 There are hundreds/thousands of people all over the country from John o Groats to Lands End, who claim to support most of the top 10 teams in the prem + thousands of Celtic fans (most have never even seen Hadrians wall and 50 + coaches from Ireland for every home game, do you also have an 'anti' agenda against all of them?. I would imagine you would realise my post was talking about Somerset based Man Utd supporters who have never seen them ever play. If I wanted to talk about every other Tom,Dick and Harry I would have mentioned them in my post! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cambridge Batch Red Posted March 7, 2013 Report Share Posted March 7, 2013 it goes a long back a long time before there recent sucsess. in the late 60s early 70s they had the biggist folowing. even then every other dick waS MAN U . ITS ALMOST LIKE THERE ENGLAND! They hate England though. They are the catholic club of Manchester. Their fans are made up of a lot of Irish immigrants whose families moved there years ago. I'm not saying its like the old firm anymore but that is how it was originally. Man city are proud to have England flags. United hate them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nogbad the Bad Posted March 7, 2013 Report Share Posted March 7, 2013 They hate England though. They are the catholic club of Manchester. Their fans are made up of a lot of Irish immigrants whose families moved there years ago. I'm not saying its like the old firm anymore but that is how it was originally. Man city are proud to have England flags. United hate them. Didn't know that, but did hear on the radio recently that they have thousands of ST holders who live in Ireland. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poland_red Posted March 7, 2013 Report Share Posted March 7, 2013 They hate England though. They are the catholic club of Manchester. Their fans are made up of a lot of Irish immigrants whose families moved there years ago. I'm not saying its like the old firm anymore but that is how it was originally. Man city are proud to have England flags. United hate them. considering this is the biggest club in the world, or so they like to claim, not once seen a man utd fan at england away... says a lot about their fan base... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oops Posted March 8, 2013 Report Share Posted March 8, 2013 considering this is the biggest club in the world, or so they like to claim, not once seen a man utd fan at england away... says a lot about their fan base... Can you please tell me the link between this and Nani's challenge? Thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oops Posted March 8, 2013 Report Share Posted March 8, 2013 it goes a long back a long time before there recent sucsess. in the late 60s early 70s they had the biggist folowing. even then every other dick waS MAN U . ITS ALMOST LIKE THERE ENGLAND! Jesus. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oops Posted March 8, 2013 Report Share Posted March 8, 2013 They hate England though. They are the catholic club of Manchester. Their fans are made up of a lot of Irish immigrants whose families moved there years ago. I'm not saying its like the old firm anymore but that is how it was originally. Man city are proud to have England flags. United hate them. Words fail me. I thought the last bloke was stupid, but you've just taken the definition of moron to a whole new level. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
One Team In Keynsham Posted March 8, 2013 Report Share Posted March 8, 2013 considering this is the biggest club in the world, or so they like to claim, not once seen a man utd fan at england away... says a lot about their fan base... Most of the United fans I know (in the main all from Manchester, BTW) could not give a flying one about the national team. Perceived double standard treatment of United players v those from other clubs, being an oft-cited reason. I also see similar attitudes from Liverrpol fans. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cambridge Batch Red Posted March 8, 2013 Report Share Posted March 8, 2013 Words fail me. I thought the last bloke was stupid, but you've just taken the definition of moron to a whole new level. Get over yourself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chipdawg Posted March 8, 2013 Report Share Posted March 8, 2013 Chip - I'm far from a socialist in the real world, the only time socialist principles apply to me are when football is involved! the cash that slushes around the game is the primary reason why the game I originally fell in love with has since died. As I said to Esmond in a previous post, I dislike Real a fair degree an all, but the fact that I have no connection with spain means that it's the British football royalty / billionaires that I channel my aggression towards. People power and all that! On the United front, you mention they haven't bought success, and to a point I admire that their commitment to youth, to polishing diamonds in the rough, etc. Even so, they are not a club that is shy with the cheque book either - ferdinand, berbatov, rooney, veron, persie, anderson have all commanded astronomic fees. And prior to the mega money of the 21st century, let's not forget Utd were very familiar with smashing transfer records prior to all that: Dennis Law, Robson, Keane, Cole (bah!) are all players who were record transfers at the time, and i'm sure there have been many more. The bottom line, god they gnarl me :s Any club that pisses gold and glitter annoys me, and there are far more irritating exmaples than utd (man city, chelsea etc), but even so, Utd stand pretty high in my table of nuclear targets! And yes, cor, I'd love to go and watch St. P! I don't think the game has died at all, I think it's just changed. While I understand the negative impact it has had, as a fan dislocated from the team I love for most if my life, the ability to watch football on tv is something I'm an unashamed fan of and I suspect there are millions (plastics or not) across the country/world who'd agree with me. Yes football has become a corporate whore to Rupert Murdoch and his ilk and yes there has been a separation between club and fan, but for someone like me in my situation, it's been a good thing I'm afraid I'm not disputing the silly money that Utd have spent in the past, but my point is about where that money came from. It was largely generated by the club itself through commercial activity, not from screwing a nation in transition from communism out of it's energy companies or because you were born into the right clan in the Arabian peninsular Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Portland Bill Posted March 8, 2013 Report Share Posted March 8, 2013 Words fail me. I thought the last bloke was stupid, but you've just taken the definition of moron to a whole new level. Perhaps there's a few of us on here who think your stupid,as said above,get over yourself. It's a forum for everyone's views, not just yours. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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