Nibor Posted December 29, 2013 Report Share Posted December 29, 2013 How is it illogical? If he doesnt score then he isnt doing anything.He averages a goal scored or created every game so this hypothetical bullshit doesn't, in practise, arise.However it is still bullshit. You can contribute massively to a game without scoring and without running around like a headless chicken. And JET does.Sometimes he has a game where very little he tries comes off and he's ineffective, but this is maybe one in ten. The other nine he carries the team going forward.Your judgement is completely flawed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
formerly known as ivan Posted December 29, 2013 Author Report Share Posted December 29, 2013 Think it's time to swallow your pride and admit you're in the wrong. Nothing to do with pride. Admittedly he chose a good time to score a couple today so people could come back to this and say I told you so. but I stand by my original post going by the previous 4/5 matches. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nibor Posted December 29, 2013 Report Share Posted December 29, 2013 but I stand by my original post going by the previous 4/5 matches.Three. Three matches without scoring and he didn't actually play badly in the one I saw.And conveniently ignoring the previous twenty or so of course.It's not an "I told you so" either, it was bollocks when you first posted it and nobody was shy about pointing that out then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
formerly known as ivan Posted December 29, 2013 Author Report Share Posted December 29, 2013 He averages a goal scored or created every game so this hypothetical bullshit doesn't, in practise, arise. However it is still bullshit. You can contribute massively to a game without scoring and without running around like a headless chicken. And JET does. Sometimes he has a game where very little he tries comes off and he's ineffective, but this is maybe one in ten. The other nine he carries the team going forward. Your judgement is completely flawed. But thats the point, he doesnt contribute massively! How can you say he carries the team? If everyone else put in his level of commitment we would be in all sorts of trouble. The rest of the team carry him so he can strol around. and as for your point about his strike rate, that is flawed. If he scores 5 in 1 match does that then mean he is excused from doing anything in the next 4? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldlandReddies Posted December 29, 2013 Report Share Posted December 29, 2013 taking away the cup games pretty sure his last league game before today was Crawley, best part of two months ago? Taking away cup games now eh ? Why ? Clutching at straws ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ciderbeans Posted December 29, 2013 Report Share Posted December 29, 2013 It's mad how many goals jet and baldock have scored between them yet we are still on -3 goal difference. We can definately see where we have let ourselves down and not just this season. Defence does look a lot tighter but still invite too much pressure at times Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
formerly known as ivan Posted December 29, 2013 Author Report Share Posted December 29, 2013 Three. Three matches without scoring and he didn't actually play badly in the one I saw. And conveniently ignoring the previous twenty or so of course. It's not an "I told you so" either, it was bollocks when you first posted it and nobody was shy about pointing that out then. there were also a few one agreed. But thanks god people such as yourself speak for the thousands out there. it was my opinion. I stand by that opinion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maltshoveller Posted December 29, 2013 Report Share Posted December 29, 2013 He does put a shift in, he just does it with the ball rather than without. If you can't see it then there's not much point elaborating further. This idea of hard work being desirable is the very epitome of why the English game is thirty years behind. It is completely illogical. There is no benefit whatsoever in running around giving off the appearance of effort that you want. It is far better to use less effort to achieve the same or better results. If JET did more running around off the ball he'd contribute LESS to the team. To be clear, your initial post in this thread said that you hoped our top goal scorer and creator was leaving in January. It was absolutely ridiculous then, and it still is now. Watch Munich now and the barca team of 4/5 years ago Both play great football Both full of world class players Both have every player working their nuts off If those players can do it no reason jet cant So to say english football is 30 years behind due to the fact of workrate is rubbish Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
formerly known as ivan Posted December 29, 2013 Author Report Share Posted December 29, 2013 Taking away cup games now eh ? Why ? Clutching at straws ! Cus no one cares about Dagenham and Tamworth. That hardly helped our league position did it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
formerly known as ivan Posted December 29, 2013 Author Report Share Posted December 29, 2013 We have scored 45 goals. Jet has scored 17 and has 8 assists - directly involved with 25 of those 45 scored. I don't know how many he has actually instigated but not had the final assist, but I'd guess another 10. And he doesn't contribute massively ? Absolute bollux. What a stupid comment. So now you are guessing how many he played his part in? Surely that goes for most players who passed the ball prior to a goal being scored? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nibor Posted December 29, 2013 Report Share Posted December 29, 2013 But thats the point, he doesnt contribute massively!How can you say he carries the team? If everyone else put in his level of commitment we would be in all sorts of trouble. The rest of the team carry him so he can strol around.and as for your point about his strike rate, that is flawed. If he scores 5 in 1 match does that then mean he is excused from doing anything in the next 4?I give up, there's obviously no helping you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob k Posted December 29, 2013 Report Share Posted December 29, 2013 I've watched City since 84 and in that time there have not been that many players that get you off your seat like JET does, I'm just going to enjoy watching a real talent for as long as I can as (IMO) he won't be here that much longer, I want him to be running at players and shooting from everywhere, I will happily watch this at the expense of another headless chicken running down lost causes just because it might get a clap from the fans!! Enjoy him while you can as it will be a long time before we see another player like him playing for us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex_BCFC Posted December 29, 2013 Report Share Posted December 29, 2013 This is getting painful. If you don't get why JET has to be the first name down on the teamsheet by now, there is no hope for you. It's mad how many goals jet and baldock have scored between them yet we are still on -3 goal difference. We can definately see where we have let ourselves down and not just this season. Defence does look a lot tighter but still invite too much pressure at times The defence doesn't invite pressure. It is the midfield and they did it again today time after time - that is why Stevenage had 20 shots. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
petehinton Posted December 29, 2013 Report Share Posted December 29, 2013 Cus no one cares about Dagenham and Tamworth. That hardly helped our league position did it? What a stupid comment Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davros Posted December 29, 2013 Report Share Posted December 29, 2013 who is to say we wouldn't get that from someone else? So in his run of games he has recently had without scoring what did we get from him? Why would you take that gamble a bird in the hand and all that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cider city red 81 Posted December 29, 2013 Report Share Posted December 29, 2013 But thats the point, he doesnt contribute massively! How can you say he carries the team? If everyone else put in his level of commitment we would be in all sorts of trouble. The rest of the team carry him so he can strol around. and as for your point about his strike rate, that is flawed. If he scores 5 in 1 match does that then mean he is excused from doing anything in the next 4? HA doesnt massively contribute good one Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fka dagest Posted December 29, 2013 Report Share Posted December 29, 2013 So now you are guessing how many he played his part in? Surely that goes for most players who passed the ball prior to a goal being scored? May I suggest you discretely withdraw from the thread? Even if you don't agree there's no point labouring the same points over and over again. Here's your cue: *door rings* (assume the butler is out) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
formerly known as ivan Posted December 29, 2013 Author Report Share Posted December 29, 2013 I give up, there's obviously no helping you. I dont know how else to say it. I have said time and time again he is a very talented player. He can produce moments of magic. But where we are at right now we dont need moments. We need players putting a shift in week in week out. You think he does, I think differently, simple. I will enjoy watching him play like he did today. I look forward to seeing it again in a few games time when he does it again. For the next few games I will continue to get frustrated with him and think that we could do a lot worse than selling in January. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
formerly known as ivan Posted December 29, 2013 Author Report Share Posted December 29, 2013 You've taken one part of the post out of context which is no surprise. He has a massive contribution, there is no denying it unless you are a complete idiot. I wont deny he cam contribute massively, but just as often he doesn't. Guess I will have to settle for being a part idiot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red-Robbo Posted December 29, 2013 Report Share Posted December 29, 2013 I dont know how else to say it. I have said time and time again he is a very talented player. He can produce moments of magic. But where we are at right now we dont need moments. We need players putting a shift in week in week out. You think he does, I think differently, simple. I will enjoy watching him play like he did today. I look forward to seeing it again in a few games time when he does it again. For the next few games I will continue to get frustrated with him and think that we could do a lot worse than selling in January. We need goals, he provides them. If he didn't, we'd all agree with you, but no-one's going to wish away someone so prolific. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
formerly known as ivan Posted December 29, 2013 Author Report Share Posted December 29, 2013 There's that phrase again... I give up as well. End of thread for me. Ffs! What is wrong with that phrase? Why do yoy think because he can win us a match one week he can get away with doing nothing the next? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
formerly known as ivan Posted December 29, 2013 Author Report Share Posted December 29, 2013 How about just being grateful someone has a different opinion which you have been able to dispute... otherwise every post on here would be exactly the same! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redsquirrel Posted December 29, 2013 Report Share Posted December 29, 2013 i think cotts would be the best judge of whether he puts in a shift or not. ever present in cotts teams sort of says it all, (even tho the majority dont need to see that) ,even picked him for the cup game where he could have risked resting/dropping him to try someone else Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
054123 Posted December 29, 2013 Report Share Posted December 29, 2013 God knows I've been depressed long enough that Jet is the first day of sunshine for a long time. Not since Scott Murray ten years ago has player got me up on my toes andexcited. He reminds of Jacki in that respect. I don't know why you go to football, but I go for atmosphere and excitement of the day. Watching Jet control, dribble and turn with the ball is an absolute joy. I mean this with no disrespect, but I can only assume who have never played football to any real level because if you had you would be able to just appreciate the effortless way he plays the game. I understand the value of a workhorse but god do I also appreciate natural brilliance when I see it. I don't know how long it will last but my son and I have enjoyed every goal, assit , stepover and dribble. He has made us smile so many times. He and his mates want to be him and I don't remember many city players having that effect. And people don't value him or the effect he has on the team, fans and next generation. Give me strength. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
formerly known as ivan Posted December 29, 2013 Author Report Share Posted December 29, 2013 i think cotts would be the best judge of whether he puts in a shift or not. ever present in cotts teams sort of says it all, (even tho the majority dont need to see that) ,even picked him for the cup game where he could have risked resting/dropping him to try someone else I genuinely dont think there will ever be a need to rest jet. That isnt a sarcastic comment either. Some think that is fine Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cityexile Posted December 29, 2013 Report Share Posted December 29, 2013 The issue is not for me if he and Sammy should play. It is if post Jan they are here to play. They are building what could turn out to be a very special partnership. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red_Jim Posted December 29, 2013 Report Share Posted December 29, 2013 God knows I've been depressed long enough that Jet is the first day of sunshine for a long time. Not since Scott Murray ten years ago has player got me up on my toes andexcited. He reminds of Jacki in that respect. I don't know why you go to football, but I go for atmosphere and excitement of the day. Watching Jet control, dribble and turn with the ball is an absolute joy. I mean this with no disrespect, but I can only assume who have never played football to any real level because if you had you would be able to just appreciate the effortless way he plays the game. I understand the value of a workhorse but god do I also appreciate natural brilliance when I see it. I don't know how long it will last but my son and I have enjoyed every goal, assit , stepover and dribble. He has made us smile so many times. He and his mates want to be him and I don't remember many city players having that effect. And people don't value him or the effect he has on the team, fans and next generation. Give me strength. Exactly. The footballers I enjoy watching the most are the mavericks, the ones capable of a bit of a magic that gets you off your seat. Zlatan Ibrahimovic is probably my favourite current non-City player in world football. A genius, sometimes blows hot and cold, but capable of something truly special and unique. If you excuse the obvious gulf in class between the two, JET is City's Ibra - and we should be grateful to have such a special talent in our ranks in what has been a dark year for the club. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eco Posted December 29, 2013 Report Share Posted December 29, 2013 How about just being grateful someone has a different opinion which you have been able to dispute... otherwise every post on here would be exactly the same! Because you're wrong ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
formerly known as ivan Posted December 29, 2013 Author Report Share Posted December 29, 2013 Because you're wrong ! must be if you dont agree Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ciderbeans Posted December 29, 2013 Report Share Posted December 29, 2013 I do find it mad how fans were pulling their hair out at how shit we were doing, we start to turn a corner and our players perform and some fans still need reason to have a go. The man scored 2 and set up one today along with the previous and we are only half way through the season! If we were top of the table, I bet he would be the hardest working player in the league in all you complaining fans opinions. Just get behind the bloody team and it's players and let's have some positivity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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