Stewbold Posted January 16, 2014 Report Share Posted January 16, 2014 Quite a good piece on the Beeb website asking a good question and contrasting the situation in Bristol with that of Cardiff. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-bristol-24924792 Stewart Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pickled Onion Posted January 16, 2014 Report Share Posted January 16, 2014 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barrs Court Red Posted January 16, 2014 Report Share Posted January 16, 2014 The problem with Bristol is its success. Money and jobs flow, so it's very easy to resist change, or not strongly desire big redevelopment. Compare that to Cardiff - a grim place thay was crying out for redevelopment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 16, 2014 Report Share Posted January 16, 2014 Well, the BBC never helped reporting tongue-in-cheek comments on here re Ashton Vale for starters... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stoke_Gifford_Red Posted January 16, 2014 Report Share Posted January 16, 2014 This is currently linked from the BBC homepage and also presently the most read article on the BBC website. We can but hope it will shame the powers that be into doing something. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tall King Blox Posted January 16, 2014 Report Share Posted January 16, 2014 People tend to forget that Cardiff is the capital of Wales.......wheras we are a village near somerset Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjd Posted January 16, 2014 Report Share Posted January 16, 2014 People tend to forget that Cardiff is the capital of Wales.......wheras we are a village near somerset. With a green,for dog walkers and children to play on and b b q s and fates oh happy days. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hippy273 Posted January 16, 2014 Report Share Posted January 16, 2014 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admin phantom Posted January 16, 2014 Admin Report Share Posted January 16, 2014 This somes it all up! Venue Idea First mooted Opened Millennium Stadium 1994 1999 Wales Millennium Centre 1995 2004 Cardiff City Stadium 2002 2009 Swalec Stadium 2005 2008 Bristol Arena 2003 Yet to be built Bristol Rovers stadium 2005 Yet to be built Bristol City stadium 2008 Yet to be built Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fodbarmyarmy Posted January 16, 2014 Report Share Posted January 16, 2014 We are green captial after all, Didn't we fail in several costly bids to become such? Money which could have gone towards saving a lot of the cuts just announced in the mayors budget no doubt Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redcityman Posted January 16, 2014 Report Share Posted January 16, 2014 Bristol is held back also by a self serving group of so called businessmen, nothing will change until the people in power start listening to the majority and not just those that have most financial backing, who seemingly only appear concerned with their own or their fellow funny handshake enthusiasts' bank balance and not what is best for this city. As per usual we'll most likely end up with a second rate arena in a place that's going to be a nightmare for parking and those that are not able to get around easy, you only have to look at the centre to see how this amateur run council operate, they had to opportunity to restore the docks and turn it into a tourist attraction, what did we get! Some crappy fountains that rarely work. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
myol'man Posted January 16, 2014 Report Share Posted January 16, 2014 Bristol City Council is run by people who move here because it's a nice place to live, George Ferguson, Daniella Radice, Gary Hopkins, Peter Crispin etc. They know how to work the system to stop any development which they oppose. They have friends in high places, clever legal minds giving advice. They seem to be able to out-manoeuvre local businessmen to suit their own agenda. Any city where 22 people can out vote 30,000 will never progress. Cardiff is run by the Welsh for the Welsh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tall King Blox Posted January 16, 2014 Report Share Posted January 16, 2014 Conspiracy theory # 1........Illuminati 2........Masons 3........Templars Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
glynriley Posted January 16, 2014 Report Share Posted January 16, 2014 Conspiracy theory # 1........Illuminati 2........Masons 3........Templars fiveplars, surely? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cityboy Posted January 16, 2014 Report Share Posted January 16, 2014 Bristol City Council is run by people who move here because it's a nice place to live, George Ferguson, Daniella Radice, Gary Hopkins, Peter Crispin etc. They know how to work the system to stop any development which they oppose. They have friends in high places, clever legal minds giving advice. They seem to be able to out-manoeuvre local businessmen to suit their own agenda. Any city where 22 people can out vote 30,000 will never progress. Cardiff is run by the Welsh for the Welsh To be fair to the council, they've actually done their part by granting planning permission for both the City and Rovers stadiums, as well as the "enabling" supermarket developments. What's holding them back is a handful of local residents and the absurd levels of influence they're allowed to have in English law. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
walnutroof657 Posted January 16, 2014 Report Share Posted January 16, 2014 While Bristol City Council are far from perfect what doesn't help is theres other councils within the greater bristol area which just adds further problems, take the proposed tram for example because Bristol City Council and South Gloucestershire couldn't agree we all ended up losing out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red-Robbo Posted January 16, 2014 Report Share Posted January 16, 2014 The problem with Bristol is its success. Money and jobs flow, so it's very easy to resist change, or not strongly desire big redevelopment. Compare that to Cardiff - a grim place thay was crying out for redevelopment. This is pretty much it. Grim, jobless cities get government grants and investment, which is why Leeds and Newcastle - for example - have much better transport networks than us and Cardiff gets investment in a gert big stadium. Bristol's success economically and attractive areas have led to a large incoming middle-class population too. The sort of people who object to anyone building on a swampy dog's toilet, for example. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hippy273 Posted January 16, 2014 Report Share Posted January 16, 2014 Didn't we fail in several costly bids to become such? Money which could have gone towards saving a lot of the cuts just announced in the mayors budget no doubt I should have put it in inverted commas, the unofficial green capital of the UK Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Laner Posted January 16, 2014 Report Share Posted January 16, 2014 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lack of Action Man Posted January 16, 2014 Report Share Posted January 16, 2014 Went to Cardiff last weekend for the first time in 10 years. It's changed a lot. Vibrant city, worth having a walk around and spending a whole weekend there to take everything in. Lovely train journey accompanied by the sight of the Millenium Stadium as you arrive. What's Bristol got? A derelict post office, bus lanes and TOO MANY NIMBYS! George ******** Ferguson Cardiff had very strong leadership at the time it built its stadium, I think it's a matter of having somebody at the top who's not going to take no for an answer. That's the biggest single factor when you look at cities that succeed. I don't like to write things off as Nimbyism. You need to look for the right sites for delivery of projects. It's not surprising there's controversy when we're talking about building supermarkets or building on greenfield sites. Ferguson completely demonstrating his lack of foresight and backbone. What a pathetic excuse of a human being he is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aizoon Posted January 16, 2014 Report Share Posted January 16, 2014 Because Cardiff doesn't have to deal with the Toytown councils that control over half of the built-up Bristol area, but don't give a damn about providing facilities for it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChippenhamRed Posted January 16, 2014 Report Share Posted January 16, 2014 "When you boil it down, the difference is whether there's determined political leadership to see it through". Not sure I agree with this statement. The council have backed Ashton Vale. You can be as determined as you like but at the end of the day, current legislation has allowed the small band of nimbies to prevent the progress of the club and the city as a whole. Far be it from me to defend the council but in this case it is the law that is at fault. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Mosquito Posted January 16, 2014 Report Share Posted January 16, 2014 This somes it all up! Venue Idea First mooted Opened Millennium Stadium 1994 1999 Wales Millennium Centre 1995 2004 Cardiff City Stadium 2002 2009 Swalec Stadium 2005 2008 Bristol Arena 2003 Yet to be built Bristol Rovers stadium 2005 Yet to be built Bristol City stadium 2008 Yet to be built Add to that list the tram system that was bombed by the German airforce in 1940 and 74 years later Bristol Council have still not got it back up and running. Add to that Bristol's finest public buildings (schools, park layouts, central library, swimming baths, suspension bridge etc) that were all built before World War 2. Bristol is, perhaps, the only English city not to have progressed with public amenities after World War 2. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hippy273 Posted January 16, 2014 Report Share Posted January 16, 2014 Went to Cardiff last weekend for the first time in 10 years. It's changed a lot. Vibrant city, worth having a walk around and spending a whole weekend there to take everything in. Lovely train journey accompanied by the sight of the Millenium Stadium as you arrive. What's Bristol got? A derelict post office, bus lanes and TOO MANY NIMBYS! Ferguson completely demonstrating his lack of foresight and backbone. What a pathetic excuse of a human being he is. I have to say, despite us as a club hating the taffs they are actually a right old laugh. All the Welsh i know love the banter about the culture and the accents from both sides of the bridge. Of course the rivalry will always be there, we are BCFC! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Bard Posted January 16, 2014 Report Share Posted January 16, 2014 Conspiracy theory # 1........Illuminati 2........Masons 3........Templars BCC's planning department adjoins the Freemason's hall. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tall King Blox Posted January 16, 2014 Report Share Posted January 16, 2014 BCC's planning department adjoins the Freemason's hall. The plot thickens...............Are there tunnels ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Bard Posted January 16, 2014 Report Share Posted January 16, 2014 Despite relatively low pay, most planning officers seem to have rather nice houses. There are fringe benefits to smoothing through planning applications.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cidercity1987 Posted January 16, 2014 Report Share Posted January 16, 2014 All this about middle class professionals moving to Bristol... Why the bloody hell do people of Cardiff earn more than us despite our house prices being higher? Embarrassing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
myol'man Posted January 16, 2014 Report Share Posted January 16, 2014 Despite relatively low pay, most planning officers seem to have rather nice houses. There are fringe benefits to smoothing through planning applications.... BCC libel lawyers are reading this you know Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Murraysrightplum Posted January 16, 2014 Report Share Posted January 16, 2014 Conspiracy theory # 1........Illuminati 2........Masons 3........Templars Do the Templars meet at the station? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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