One Team In Keynsham Posted August 1, 2014 Report Share Posted August 1, 2014 Just to try and even it up a bit, I had Jerusalem at my wedding and we are still married 10 years later We had Jerusalem too, 15 and counting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red-Robbo Posted August 1, 2014 Report Share Posted August 1, 2014 Just to try and even it up a bit, I had Jerusalem at my wedding and we are still married 10 years later Still time, Pete... I had Jerusalem - and divorced 20 years later. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dolman Pragmatist Posted August 1, 2014 Report Share Posted August 1, 2014 Great tune, Jerusalem, but not sure what in Blake's poem makes it suitable as a national anthem. Does anyone know what it means? Rant against the industrial revolution? Call for a socialist uprising? No one has really made head nor tail of it for over 100 years. I'd have Waterloo Sunset myself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redtucks Posted August 1, 2014 Report Share Posted August 1, 2014 I vow to thee my country and Jerusalem are 2 of three hymns for my wedding next week. I had both at my wedding too mate Not to put the hex on yours, my marriage lasted 6 years......good luck Should have had "Fight The Good Fight" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PHILINFRANCE Posted August 1, 2014 Report Share Posted August 1, 2014 The Liechtenstein national anthem has a nice tune though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedUn Posted August 1, 2014 Report Share Posted August 1, 2014 This question crops up quite often and so it should, a) because GStQ is a dirge, unlikely to inspire anybody to better things, and b) because it isn't even England's anthem but something appropriated from the United Kingdom ... ... the song I always think should get more of a mention because it is a celebration of this country and not a belligerent/colonial stance against everybody else's is There'll Always Be An England Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
North Lincs Red Posted August 2, 2014 Report Share Posted August 2, 2014 Always thought that the national anthem should be rule britania or land of hope and glory Source ?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Philip Belgrave Posted August 2, 2014 Report Share Posted August 2, 2014 Elgar - Nimrod...no need for lyrics, if that doesn't rouse the soul, make the hairs stand up and make you proud to be English, nothing will Actually words do exist for "Nimrod" (Enigma Variations Op 39, Elgar) but it's still a very difficult melody to sing:- unless you want to hum along to it. Sticking with Elgar, "Land of Hope of Glory" is a fine melody, but "Wider Still and Wider" definately won't cut it in this post imperial age- only at the last night of the Proms. There are other lyrics, contained in Elgar's "Coronation Ode", but they aren't really suitable either. Elgar, by the way ,was a Worcester man who supported Wolves. So we're left with Parry's Jerusalem (a Gloucester man) OR, how about Gustav Holst ( from Cheltenham):- "I Vow To Thee My Country" ( melody from Jupiter, The Planets Suite) ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robbored Posted August 2, 2014 Report Share Posted August 2, 2014 Great tune, Jerusalem, but not sure what in Blake's poem makes it suitable as a national anthem. Does anyone know what it means? Rant against the industrial revolution? Call for a socialist uprising? No one has really made head nor tail of it for over 100 years. Not true. It's a poem asking about Christ and Joseph of Arimethia visiting Glastonbury. " and did those feet in ancient times" Dark satanic mills is indeed a reference to the industrial revolution.. There's a simple analysis on Wikipedia. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
italian dave Posted August 2, 2014 Report Share Posted August 2, 2014 The Wurzels classic 'Give Me England!'...."Give me England any time my dear, give me England any time of year...." (was the theme from 'Confessions From A Holiday Camp') And includes one of the all time great lines in songwriting, "Cos you'll never get surprises, living in Devizes"!! How could anyone fail to be inspired by that?!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dolman Pragmatist Posted August 2, 2014 Report Share Posted August 2, 2014 Not true. It's a poem asking about Christ and Joseph of Arimethia visiting Glastonbury. " and did those feet in ancient times" Dark satanic mills is indeed a reference to the industrial revolution.. There's a simple analysis on Wikipedia. No offence mate, but Wikipedia is hardly the authority on literary criticism. The poem 'Jerusalem' serves as the preface to Blake's epic poem 'Milton'. Blake never explained precisely what it meant. Critics have argued about it almost since it was written. There is therefore no definitive answer to what it means (though I suppose it means what the reader wants it to mean). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tiz Posted August 2, 2014 Report Share Posted August 2, 2014 Jerusalem gives me goose bumps. I vow to thee as well. There will always be an England is more encompassing but lacks fire and passion. For me its either Jerusalem or a new one. Its clear what Jerusaleum is about building a better just spiritual England and the need to fight till we get it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Taylor is GOD Posted August 2, 2014 Report Share Posted August 2, 2014 There'll always be an England And England shall be free If England means as much to you As England means to me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
finbarr_in_z Posted August 2, 2014 Report Share Posted August 2, 2014 Only missed 3 England games home & away in 15 years. Agree, GSTQ is a dirge, but it can be belted out. Nearly every away game the home fans are always watching on & taking photos when it is sung. As a republican & an aetheist, frankly it doesn't matter what the words are as long as it is representing England as a country. As the Taffs & Jocks disown it, then maybe it's left to us English to sing it. Mind you, I prefer Jerusalem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
North London Red Posted August 3, 2014 Report Share Posted August 3, 2014 Only missed 3 England games home & away in 15 years. Agree, GSTQ is a dirge, but it can be belted out. Nearly every away game the home fans are always watching on & taking photos when it is sung. As a republican & an aetheist, frankly it doesn't matter what the words are as long as it is representing England as a country. As the Taffs & Jocks disown it, then maybe it's left to us English to sing it. Mind you, I prefer Jerusalem. Just out of interest, which three? I'm guessing Turkey away in 2003 was one of them (unless you were one of the 20 or so who managed to get through!)? The two warm up friendlies in the Far East just before the 2002 World Cup (both of which had about 50 England fans)? Poland away a couple of years ago broke my run. Was at the original game which got rained off (hence I still got the 2 caps from Englandfans) but work had already paid for me to fly from Warsaw to Munich for a meeting the next day, so I had to miss the hastily rearranged game on the Wednesday. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PHILINFRANCE Posted August 3, 2014 Report Share Posted August 3, 2014 Just out of interest, which three? I'm guessing Turkey away in 2003 was one of them (unless you were one of the 20 or so who managed to get through!)? The two warm up friendlies in the Far East just before the 2002 World Cup (both of which had about 50 England fans)? Poland away a couple of years ago broke my run. Was at the original game which got rained off (hence I still got the 2 caps from Englandfans) but work had already paid for me to fly from Warsaw to Munich for a meeting the next day, so I had to miss the hastily rearranged game on the Wednesday. Out of curiosity, what was the problem with the 2003 Turkey game? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
East End Old Boy Posted August 3, 2014 Report Share Posted August 3, 2014 At least Jerusalem has the word England in it.So does that great anthem "vindaloo"! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eddie Hitler Posted August 3, 2014 Report Share Posted August 3, 2014 Actually words do exist for "Nimrod" (Enigma Variations Op 39, Elgar) but it's still a very difficult melody to sing:- unless you want to hum along to it. Sticking with Elgar, "Land of Hope of Glory" is a fine melody, but "Wider Still and Wider" definately won't cut it in this post imperial age- only at the last night of the Proms. There are other lyrics, contained in Elgar's "Coronation Ode", but they aren't really suitable either. Elgar, by the way ,was a Worcester man who supported Wolves. So we're left with Parry's Jerusalem (a Gloucester man) OR, how about Gustav Holst ( from Cheltenham):- "I Vow To Thee My Country" ( melody from Jupiter, The Planets Suite) ? Mightier yet! I've seen Holst's house in 'nam but despite the several years I lived in Gloucester that's the first time I've heard Parry was from there. Ivor Gurney gets the odd mention. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Welcome To The Jungle Posted August 3, 2014 Report Share Posted August 3, 2014 Out of curiosity, what was the problem with the 2003 Turkey game? The turks are ******* mental Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Mosquito Posted August 3, 2014 Report Share Posted August 3, 2014 Jerusalem for me. To me, 'Jerusalem' harks back to medieval times when England - via King Richard the Lion Heart - was trying to restore Jerusalem to Christendom. So the anthem does show English heritage and culture. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cockneydave Posted August 3, 2014 Report Share Posted August 3, 2014 Just watching commonwealth games and see that like the cricket team the athletes use Jerusalem as the national anthem. Would a change of anthem for our football team change their fortunes? Personally I think god save the queen is to bland and to short to stir the loins and would love Jerusalem or land of hope and glory to replace GSTQ but the FA would not hear of it. For goodness sake!!Stop talking sense!If you want them to change things make out its not what you want!either that or get sky on your side as they seem to rule the roost and what they say goes!!Just look at the "FAIR PLAYING FIELD"If youve got pots of money like the prem you can do as you like!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Mosquito Posted August 3, 2014 Report Share Posted August 3, 2014 I'm a staunch Royalist, but I agree that GSTQ, is dull and tedious. England should have it's own National Anthem (and parliament, for that matter), just as the other home nations do. Jerusalem is certainly rousing, and would be a good choice. That said, do we really want to "Build Jerusalem in England" ? I would have thought of all the choices available, a disputed middle eastern religious hot spot is the last thing this country needs within it's borders !! I'd be a Royalist if you were King. Excellent point about building Jerusalem in England - there's been more bloodshed and wars over that city than anywhere else over the past few 1,000 years. I would have loved to have been a Knight Templar when that great Christian military order had control of the Temple mount. I would have been occupying my Brothers with archaelogical digs in between fighting off Muslim terrorist attacks. It's said that the Knights Templar did find treasure from Biblical times but no one knows where they hid it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger Red Hat Posted August 3, 2014 Report Share Posted August 3, 2014 To me, 'Jerusalem' harks back to medieval times when England - via King Richard the Lion Heart - was trying to restore Jerusalem to Christendom. So the anthem does show English heritage and culture. The same 'Richard Couer de Lion' who spent no more than a few months in England, and lived most of his life in France except when away war mongering, that Richard? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SimplyRed Posted August 3, 2014 Report Share Posted August 3, 2014 Rule Britannia is about Britain, which includes the Scots and the Welsh. Land of Hope and Glory and I Vow to Thee my Country does not specifically mention England and could also be interpreted as about Britain. In terms of actually being about England, the only standard is Jerusalem, which specifically mentions England and is about England. Ergo, the English National Anthem should be Jerusalem, given these options. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob k Posted August 3, 2014 Report Share Posted August 3, 2014 Out of curiosity, what was the problem with the 2003 Turkey game? Was that just after 2 Leeds fans got killed? There were loads of problems at the stadium of light when they played Turkey there Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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RedUn Posted August 3, 2014 Report Share Posted August 3, 2014 Rule Britannia is about Britain, which includes the Scots and the Welsh.Land of Hope and Glory and I Vow to Thee my Country does not specifically mention England and could also be interpreted as about Britain. In terms of actually being about England, the only standard is Jerusalem, which specifically mentions England and is about England. Ergo, the English National Anthem should be Jerusalem, given these options. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedUn Posted August 3, 2014 Report Share Posted August 3, 2014 Hence my question earlier, how come "There'll Always Be An ENGLAND" never gets much of a mention? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red-Robbo Posted August 3, 2014 Report Share Posted August 3, 2014 Rule Britannia is about Britain, which includes the Scots and the Welsh.Land of Hope and Glory and I Vow to Thee my Country does not specifically mention England and could also be interpreted as about Britain. In terms of actually being about England, the only standard is Jerusalem, which specifically mentions England and is about England. Ergo, the English National Anthem should be Jerusalem, given these options. I don't think it actually has to mention England, just be patriotic about the country rather than being about one person. Jerusalem is just a hymn - and one which uses quite complicated Victorian language. Do we really want to sing about "Dark Satanic Mills"? We're not all from Oldham! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eddie Hitler Posted August 3, 2014 Report Share Posted August 3, 2014 Hence my question earlier, how come "There'll Always Be An ENGLAND" never gets much of a mention? It's not very inspiring is it. It's the kind of Edwardian parlour song you can see Hinge and Bracket singing at one of their Stackton Tressell soirees. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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