Boris Throws His Hat In The Ring......

[Esmond Million's Bung]

Well,that's 59% who don't rate him then

The 41% probably saw a photo of him and thought it was Wurzel Gummage!

 

and 81% don't rate Red Ed, about as popular as his bacon sarnie in a synagogue, the other 19% thought that he was the good looking Milliband brother, the one whose not a union puppet.

[Portland Bill]

Wow that's that then, a 3 point lead going into a general election year, against an unpopular tory government, that has a ring to it doesn't it, 23% wasn't enough in 1992.

It's not a Tory government though is it,they were incapable of winning the last election,( against an unpopular Labour government!) in fact, they haven't won a majority for 20+ years

[Esmond Million's Bung]

It's not a Tory government though is it,they were incapable of winning the last election,( against an unpopular Labour government!) in fact, they haven't won a majority for 20+ years

 

Served a purpose though, taken out the lib dems once and for all, labour should be pleased about that, they couldn't achieve it.

[Portland Bill]

Ha, Ha all you want, labour were unable to field a candidate twice to beat this clown in London and for some reason the public love him and would rather have him in some sort of charge than labour, there must be a reason for that.

2012 London mayor elections, turnout 38%,of which old Wurzel lookalike won 44%.

By my reckoning that's roughly 17%?? of Londoners who voted for him!

So not really sure you can call that love!

Perhaps the next time Boris complains about Union turnouts, he should take into consideration the low numbers that made him leader of the cockneys.

[Esmond Million's Bung]

2012 London mayor elections, turnout 38%,of which old Wurzel lookalike won 44%.

By my reckoning that's roughly 17%?? of Londoners who voted for him!

So not really sure you can call that love!

Perhaps the next time Boris complains about Union turnouts, he should take into consideration the low numbers that made him leader of the cockneys.

 

and still labour couldn't beat him.

[Esmond Million's Bung]

Anyway what's it like being in country with a real socialist in charge, doing what socialists do best, running the country into the ground, so much so that Le Pen's national front would win if the election was held today, that's got to be an achievement even in France, I can't see even Cameron doing that with UKIP,  funnily enough only today the wifes physio gave me several great quotes about socialists, I won't overload you but my personal favourite is:-

 

Socialism only works in paradise, where you don't need it and hell, where it was really.

[Red-Robbo]

Tell us! Maybe you could do better than TinTin and give something other than the Oxford Street results from July.

I expect they plummeted in August, Tory Boy!

I lived in London for 18 years and still spend the majority of my working life there.

The traffic was stationary under Red Ken and it is still stationary under Bozo. Despite all the manifesto promises in the world, there's been no improvement.

[Maesknoll Red]

The traffic was stationary long before London had an elected Mayor, the GLC and whoever ran the show before that, can also be lumped into the mix.

[Red-Robbo]

The traffic was stationary long before London had an elected Mayor, the GLC and whoever ran the show before that, can also be lumped into the mix.

Indeed. Which is why air quality is considerably worse than Western European cities that have adopted a flowing car/affordable public transport policy.

[chipdawg]

Hasn't Paris come up with another Hollande piece of bullshit regarding odd/even car numbers on alternate days?, probably works as long as your day isn't when your on strike, which is quite likely in France.

Yep, but that was a reaction to specific climatic conditions at the time

[chipdawg]

Indeed. Which is why air quality is considerably worse than Western European cities that have adopted a flowing car/affordable public transport policy.

To be honest, it's not really a London thing; the problem is the cost associated with commuting from Kent, Surrey, Hertfordshire, Suffolk, etc; why use public transport from Dartford if it costs a fortune, takes ages, is massively overcrowded and somewhat unreliable?! Nope; drive into the city in your Range Rover and **** the people who live in the areas you drove through. People who live in London use the tube and buses because as expensive as you think they are, they're better than any other mass-transit system in the UK

[Portland Bill]

Anyway what's it like being in country with a real socialist in charge, doing what socialists do best, running the country into the ground, so much so that Le Pen's national front would win if the election was held today, that's got to be an achievement even in France, I can't see even Cameron doing that with UKIP, funnily enough only today the wifes physio gave me several great quotes about socialists, I won't overload you but my personal favourite is:-

Socialism only works in paradise, where you don't need it and hell, where it was really.

in Nantes at the moment,great drive from Cherbourg,80mph all the way down,diesel 30p a LITRE CHEAPER than at home

Off to FC Nantes ground in a while to have a look,then gonna try to either find a bar or find a feed where we can watch the Sheff Utd game.

Viva la France

[Esmond Million's Bung]

To be honest I must ask the question has Boris even got a hat to throw into the ring?, I know he has a cycle helmet, does that count? and how will the HSE feel about cycle helmets being thrown into rings?.

[Mike Litoris]

Unlike Ed Milliband, the awkward, boring and pathetically dithering, charisma by passed leader of New Labour, a guy who even makes John Major look interesting and like previous useless Labour leaders will cost them the next election.

What in god's name does charisma really have to do with politics? What happened to policies being important? What happened to intellect being a vital part of running a country, as opposed to having an easily airbrushable face like 'Call me Dave'.

 

I cannot for the life of me understand why people are so easily hoodwinked by popularity? This country's political discussion is now bordering on that of an American High School, Jock's and Cheerleaders running the show despite having less than a handful of braincells between them.

 

5 more years of the tories? regardless of the leader? **** that.

[Esmond Million's Bung]

What in god's name does charisma really have to do with politics? What happened to policies being important? What happened to intellect being a vital part of running a country, as opposed to having an easily airbrushable face like 'Call me Dave'.

 

I cannot for the life of me understand why people are so easily hoodwinked by popularity? This country's political discussion is now bordering on that of an American High School, Jock's and Cheerleaders running the show despite having less than a handful of braincells between them.

 

5 more years of the tories? regardless of the leader? **** that.

 

Unfortunately new labour ended all of that with Bliar and spin and then more spin.

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[WTFiGO!?!]

What in god's name does charisma really have to do with politics? What happened to policies being important? What happened to intellect being a vital part of running a country, as opposed to having an easily airbrushable face like 'Call me Dave'.

Leaders aren't supposed to engage and inspire? One of Churchill's biggest attributes was his ability to make motivating, public, speeches.

I'd estimate that two of non-voters biggest gripes with politicians are their inability to engage with every day folk and them being such boring bastards. Thirdly, I'd say, is a lack of faith in them to have a positive impact.

Boris overcomes the first two hurdles.

[Davros]

Leaders aren't supposed to engage and inspire? One of Churchill's biggest attributes was his ability to make motivating, public, speeches.

I'd estimate that two of non-voters biggest gripes with politicians are their inability to engage with every day folk and them being such boring bastards. Thirdly, I'd say, is a lack of faith in them to have a positive impact.

Boris overcomes the first two hurdles.

 

Politics is full of idiots who play a silly game of misdirection and emotional blackmail, if you watch question time you will see this and only this.   Labour losing a debate? Throw in Eaton and maybe some banker bashing that should get a cheer and get the crowds on side.

 

I seriously welcome a real person warts and all.

[Portland Bill]

Leaders aren't supposed to engage and inspire? One of Churchill's biggest attributes was his ability to make motivating, public, speeches.

Didn't he lose by a landslide at the end of WW2?

[WTFiGO!?!]

Well,that's 59% who don't rate him then

The 41% probably saw a photo of him and thought it was Wurzel Gummage!

Well 19% Red Ed fans must be massive Wallace & Grommet fans, then! ;d

  

Politics is full of idiots who play a silly game of misdirection and emotional blackmail, if you watch question time you will see this and only this.   Labour losing a debate? Throw in Eaton and maybe some banker bashing that should get a cheer and get the crowds on side.

 

I seriously welcome a real person warts and all.

Oh don't vote dear Davros, you only encourage them. To be honest, you've countered Mike Litoris' argument better than I have. What did happen to intellect being more important than some stupid point scoring game?

 

Didn't he lose by a landslide at the end of WW2?

The fickle British public did see the error of their ways when he was reinstated, though. No, seriously, Churchill was a great war PM but like many of our military, seemed to struggle to assimilate back into civilian life.

[Barrs Court Red]

Churchill had some pretty unsavoury thoughts pre war.

But come the hour he saved us from Soviet tyranny

[Maesknoll Red]

I'd vote him in for the novelty factor.....

I don't feel that who is in power makes a jot of difference to me, they still fleece as much as they can in PAYE, NI, VAT, alcohol duty, fuel duty and council tax, then waste money at an alarming rate, if there is a variance between parties of different colour when in power, it is so insignificant I cannot see it.

[Red-Robbo]

[Esmond Million's Bung]

[Mike Litoris]

Leaders aren't supposed to engage and inspire? One of Churchill's biggest attributes was his ability to make motivating, public, speeches.

I'd estimate that two of non-voters biggest gripes with politicians are their inability to engage with every day folk and them being such boring bastards. Thirdly, I'd say, is a lack of faith in them to have a positive impact.

Boris overcomes the first two hurdles.

 

Poppycock (to steal a term from dear old Boris)

The biggest problem is a lack of education on the part of the electorate (falling for the propaganda of the right wing media) closely followed by a lack of clear and distinct options. Politics in Britain starts in the centre right before moving towards the fascists in UKIP. If the Labour party renounced the Blair years as the brazen thatcherism it was then we might see a real alternative to the seemingly endless capitalist bullshit that is making real people's lives harder. 

 

On Churchill, wasn't he unceremoniously dumped out of office before the war was even over? He was a great war-time leader, but as soon as it was apparent we were going to win the British public understood that his politics and Tory politics for that matter, would never be in the best interests of the majority. 

 

Clearly inspiration is important, but I'm inspired by politics itself. By wanting to engage with a right that so many people died to obtain. I do not care for smooth good looks and epic oratory (those things were said about Adolf Hitler) but for what those politicians can do for me (and you).

[Maesknoll Red]

[Esmond Million's Bung]

Listening to some of the Labour rehtoric, it sounds like class war, as do things like the socialist worker etc. I am bored to death with it all, I have worked since 1978 and cannot seperate what any of the parties has done for me, with a fag paper. I remain paying taxes and working hard, no matter who gets in, my vote is pointless, living in South Bristol, a monkey with a red flag would get in, so big is the labour majority.

 

Exactly dear old firebrand Dawn towed the new labour party line when she was promoted to more prominent roles and voted and supported for a lot of new labours unpopular policies, she even voted in favour of the Iraq war in 2003 but was vehemently against it in 1991 (of course new labour weren't in power then, so stuff like principles were cheap), there's a surprise and not forgetting voting for ID cards and increased tuition fees.

 

You're correct labour could field Ian Holloway and he would win in South Bristol in exactly the same way that Boris will be handed a very safe tory seat.

[Mike Litoris]

Listening to some of the Labour rehtoric, it sounds like class war, as do things like the socialist worker etc. I am bored to death with it all, I have worked since 1978 and cannot seperate what any of the parties has done for me, with a fag paper. I remain paying taxes and working hard, no matter who gets in, my vote is pointless, living in South Bristol, a monkey with a red flag would get in, so big is the labour majority.

 

I'm struggling to understand your gripe? Do you object to taxing? and working hard? 

 

You have a minimum wage, this may not directly affect you but for many millions it means that their hard work will be rewarded with wages that will be able to support them (Although under this Tory government a record amount of people in work are forced to claim benefits and Labour will raise the minimum wage to help those workers)

You have an NHS, where you can get health care at a fraction of the price compared to privatised Health care. See the money swindling Americans for that... But wait, the Tory government is fast selling off all this countries assets, No Royal Mail (All of Dave and Osbourne's mates own that now), no Schools (Gove gave them to his pals too) and the slippery slope of and end to the NHS, the worlds greatest institution, has started.

You have a welfare system that will look after you if the unthinkable happened and you were no longer able to work hard through no fault of your own. Oh, no wait IDS and his deplorable ATOS will force you to undertake degrading tests to ensure you are really incapable of working. And god forbid you miss a Job centre meeting or a skills training day... You could have your benefits taken away from you as a PUNISHMENT for up to three years...

 

Other than minimum wage, does any of that affect me right this second? No, I'm healthy, I'm capable of working and I can support myself and my family. But politics is so much more than self interest. It's about humility, goodness and fairness. it's about equality and giving all people the same chances in life. No tory is interested in that, in you, in anyone except themselves and their elitist friends making as much profit as possible. Are Labour much better? Course they are, even with the Thatcherism of the Blair period they still introduced a number of positive legislation... The current government has done nothing but oppress, marginalise and discriminate.

 

I'll never understand anyone who could possibly vote for the party of Thatcher, Gove, Osbourne, Powell, IDS etc.

[Esmond Million's Bung]

I'm struggling to understand your gripe? Do you object to taxing? and working hard? 

 

You have a minimum wage, this may not directly affect you but for many millions it means that their hard work will be rewarded with wages that will be able to support them (Although under this Tory government a record amount of people in work are forced to claim benefits and Labour will raise the minimum wage to help those workers)

You have an NHS, where you can get health care at a fraction of the price compared to privatised Health care. See the money swindling Americans for that... But wait, the Tory government is fast selling off all this countries assets, No Royal Mail (All of Dave and Osbourne's mates own that now), no Schools (Gove gave them to his pals too) and the slippery slope of and end to the NHS, the worlds greatest institution, has started.

You have a welfare system that will look after you if the unthinkable happened and you were no longer able to work hard through no fault of your own. Oh, no wait IDS and his deplorable ATOS will force you to undertake degrading tests to ensure you are really incapable of working. And god forbid you miss a Job centre meeting or a skills training day... You could have your benefits taken away from you as a PUNISHMENT for up to three years...

 

Other than minimum wage, does any of that affect me right this second? No, I'm healthy, I'm capable of working and I can support myself and my family. But politics is so much more than self interest. It's about humility, goodness and fairness. it's about equality and giving all people the same chances in life. No tory is interested in that, in you, in anyone except themselves and their elitist friends making as much profit as possible. Are Labour much better? Course they are, even with the Thatcherism of the Blair period they still introduced a number of positive legislation... The current government has done nothing but oppress, marginalise and discriminate.

 

I'll never understand anyone who could possibly vote for the party of Thatcher, Gove, Osbourne, Powell, IDS etc.

 

That is of course the same royal mail that Mandelson was planning to sell off half of to foreign companies in 2008, something they would have done if they had won the election and by now would have sold the other half.

 

I could have sympathy for your views if I believed that there were actually any socialists within a labour government, sadly back in the real world even dull Ed knows you have to put your noses into the trough of big business to have any chance of power in the UK and that means you owe favours so corruption creeps in, you have to water down any real socialist policies and the same people pay the bill.

 

The difference is the tories are so arrogant they don't even really try to disguise it and labour are totally in denial about it and sadly labour has too many faces left who voted in favour of the Iraq war and now have tried to distance themselves and solely blame Blair, again sadly it is clear evidence of how power corrupts.

[Mike Litoris]

That is of course the same royal mail that Mandelson was planning to sell off half of to foreign companies in 2008, something they would have done if they had won the election and by now would have sold the other half.

 

I could have sympathy for your views if I believed that there were actually any socialists within a labour government, sadly back in the real world even dull Ed knows you have to put your noses into the trough of big business to have any chance of power in the UK and that means you owe favours so corruption creeps in, you have to water down any real socialist policies and the same people pay the bill.

 

The difference is the tories are so arrogant they don't even really try to disguise it and labour are totally in denial about it and sadly labour has too many faces left who voted in favour of the Iraq war and now have tried to distance themselves and solely blame Blair, again sadly it is clear evidence of how power corrupts.

Dennis Skinner, John McDonnell, Jeremy Corbyn and Ian Lavery are just some off the top of my head.

Labour has its issues, and getting over the New Labour period is its greatest challenge, but nothing you just said has made Labour out to be anything other than the best option. Watered down socialism is still a billion times better than the arrogant capitalism of the tories.