Hartcliffe red Posted November 21, 2014 Report Share Posted November 21, 2014 Punching a horse gets you 250.....yes but bless him he panicked Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedM Posted November 21, 2014 Report Share Posted November 21, 2014 Regarding the smoke bombs, flares etc is it down to the home club to control both lots of supporters, home and away. I always assumed it was as you are searched probably more thoroughly as an away supporter than a home one? They have a duty for safety inside their ground towards everybody. If so then for the Swindon match for example it is down to Swindon to face fines and points docking not us, if the FA chose to act. Maybe that's a bit too simplistic though as I can see Swindon for example coming down here in April, to what is already an edgy match, and arming themselves with flares etc in the hope that we get points docked as we might still be promotion rivals. So for it to work, home club, away club, both, neither? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rocky Posted November 21, 2014 Report Share Posted November 21, 2014 I don't see the point in them, put your energy into singing and shouting instead. If such a small thing can halt your career or holiday plans it surely isn't worth it!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jevans Posted November 21, 2014 Report Share Posted November 21, 2014 Not sure if it's true or not but was told that the lad who threw a flare at Swindon burnt his hand quite badly. If so was it really worth it? This is true, he was right infront of me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jevans Posted November 21, 2014 Report Share Posted November 21, 2014 Regarding the smoke bombs, flares etc is it down to the home club to control both lots of supporters, home and away. I always assumed it was as you are searched probably more thoroughly as an away supporter than a home one? They have a duty for safety inside their ground towards everybody. If so then for the Swindon match for example it is down to Swindon to face fines and points docking not us, if the FA chose to act. Maybe that's a bit too simplistic though as I can see Swindon for example coming down here in April, to what is already an edgy match, and arming themselves with flares etc in the hope that we get points docked as we might still be promotion rivals. So for it to work, home club, away club, both, neither? The problem was that the escort arrived at 2.45 and then there was 1000+ fans waiting to get in 3 turnstiles. We were just handing our tickets to the steward for them to rip a part of it off and mauling in through the entrance. No one was checking you for anything. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SDBS36 Posted November 21, 2014 Report Share Posted November 21, 2014 It was Rovers fans trying to get us points deducted Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrightCiderLife Posted November 21, 2014 Report Share Posted November 21, 2014 It doesn't matter one jot what any of us think of these rules; we still have to abide by them. The rules are in place, rightly or wrongly, and those involved will be punished, including the club. Personally, I think they help the atmosphere but if the powers that be aren't convinced of their safety then we shouldn't use them. The paintballing analogy is a red herring. Allowing smoke to be released in open areas where everyone is spread out is completely different from use in an (often) enclosed area (yes, I know Swindle are too poor to build a roof) in situations where it isn't feasible for people to move away from it is dangerous. It could cause serious health problems. Even if the chances of that are 0.1% that means on any given match day at BS3 12 people could get hurt. It is really quite straightforward: we can't use them so don't use them. I don't care so much if the individuals involved get football banning orders and criminal records depriving them of their career/holiday plans but if City miss out on promotion because of a one-point deduction as a handful of people ignored the repeated orders to stop then you'll be sorry. You might well say the FA are unlikely to punish us; I would say there is no chance for them to do so if we keep within the rules! Why give them the opportunity? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Somerset_Sam Posted November 21, 2014 Report Share Posted November 21, 2014 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jBrer1ke4Cg&feature=youtu.be Boca vrs River from last night, do it right and it makes a massive difference to the atmosphere. But then this is in a country that isnt PC and health and safety obsessed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bar BS3 Posted November 21, 2014 Report Share Posted November 21, 2014 I think people are missing the point here. I have never had a problem with the smoke bombs and seen them as a bit of harmless fun from over enthusiastic youngsters. But the club are now seriously under threat of a points deduction from the FA! They will be exposing this very real threat in the press next week - but please, lets self police this amongst fans and not throw away points that are very much needed, for the sake of a a little bit of "fun" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bellleftfoot Posted November 21, 2014 Report Share Posted November 21, 2014 I think people are missing the point here. I have never had a problem with the smoke bombs and seen them as a bit of harmless fun from over enthusiastic youngsters. But the club are now seriously under threat of a points deduction from the FA! They will be exposing this very real threat in the press next week - but please, lets self police this amongst fans and not throw away points that are very much needed, for the sake of a a little bit of "fun" Grassing on fellow fans, nice one. Shall we start reporting motorists who are driving over the speed limit? It's a police matter, let the police deal with it. Like manic hysteria on here at times. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stoke_Gifford_Red Posted November 21, 2014 Report Share Posted November 21, 2014 The problem was that the escort arrived at 2.45 and then there was 1000+ fans waiting to get in 3 turnstiles. We were just handing our tickets to the steward for them to rip a part of it off and mauling in through the entrance. No one was checking you for anything. To be fair even before the escort arrived security was rubbish - I was with someone who (unintentionally) managed to take in an aerosol deodorant! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stoke_Gifford_Red Posted November 21, 2014 Report Share Posted November 21, 2014 To say they may be a "threat to our promotion chances" is a very naive statement, every weekend on the net there are numerous pictures of similar incidents taking place up and down the country, let's be honest, this is not a problem just for us this is the latest "phase" that seems to be popular at football Anyone who was at the WSM - Donny game Tuesday night would have seen the same thing happen, this 'problem' is all over English football at the moment. Sorry Marie, but as for the FA to do something, the problem is too big to target a particular club at the moment In recent times there have been numerous examples of smoke devices being set off in the crowd at TV games - and when this is ongoing generally the media love it! There were even such devices at Maidstone yesterday in the FA Cup replay and BT kept going on about the great atmosphere. When you consider they can be bought online for a quid, I can't see this being stopped unless the punishments are increased greatly - but then it just becomes ridiculous. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admin phantom Posted November 21, 2014 Admin Report Share Posted November 21, 2014 But the club are now seriously under threat of a points deduction from the FA! Can't believe that to be true for one minute. Probably quicker to list the supporters that don't use them rather than the one's that do Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dandare 1966 Posted November 21, 2014 Report Share Posted November 21, 2014 Don,t see the point of them smoke blowing back on us at Swindon stunk , concentrate on supporting the team in better ways Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red-Robbo Posted November 21, 2014 Report Share Posted November 21, 2014 I think people are missing the point here. I have never had a problem with the smoke bombs and seen them as a bit of harmless fun from over enthusiastic youngsters. But the club are now seriously under threat of a points deduction from the FA! They will be exposing this very real threat in the press next week - but please, lets self police this amongst fans and not throw away points that are very much needed, for the sake of a a little bit of "fun" Pretty much "this". I think the ban is poorly thought through health and safety zealotry, and the punishments ludicrously draconian BUT that's the shit the FA have decided on and we have to live with it. It would be more ludicous to risk the club's progression just so you could provide 20 seconds of coloured smoke for your own amusement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vincent Vega Posted November 21, 2014 Report Share Posted November 21, 2014 Pretty much "this". I think the ban is poorly thought through health and safety zealotry, and the punishments ludicrously draconian BUT that's the shit the FA have decided on and we have to live with it. It would be more ludicous to risk the club's progression just so you could provide 20 seconds of coloured smoke for your own amusement. Agreed ,but it was 1 maybe 2 people in amongst 2000 fans, obviously you can't search every single person and the lads who bring them think it's more important to look 'ard' in front there mates than worry if City lose points... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red-Robbo Posted November 21, 2014 Report Share Posted November 21, 2014 Agreed ,but it was 1 maybe 2 people in amongst 2000 fans, obviously you can't search every single person and the lads who bring them think it's more important to look 'ard' in front there mates than worry if City lose points... Agreed. Also I don't watch much Premier League football, but I seem to recall smoke bombs going off at virtually every one I've seen. I'd have thought thone clubs have more to worry about any crackdown. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedM Posted November 21, 2014 Report Share Posted November 21, 2014 Grassing on fellow fans, nice one. Shall we start reporting motorists who are driving over the speed limit? It's a police matter, let the police deal with it. Like manic hysteria on here at times. I don't know how you picked up the that Bar BS3 is suggesting 'grassing on fellow fans', I certainly didn't think that's what is being suggested. So people got into Swindon with illegal items because of the lack of organisation by Swindon, I don't see how Bristol City Football Club can be held responsible for that if points docking were at stake here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Posted November 21, 2014 Report Share Posted November 21, 2014 I don't know how you picked up the that Bar BS3 is suggesting 'grassing on fellow fans', I certainly didn't think that's what is being suggested. So people got into Swindon with illegal items because of the lack of organisation by Swindon, I don't see how Bristol City Football Club can be held responsible for that if points docking were at stake here. What about the many times it's been done at our home games? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Scotty Murray Posted November 21, 2014 Report Share Posted November 21, 2014 I totally agree with the opening poster. Chucking flares is totally moronic. People cheering us throwing them during games are beyond stupid. There is no excuse for this. It is not just harmless fun. Whoever it is that is doing it, just stop it, you are an idiot. End of story. And...just because other idiotic morons are doing it at other clubs as well...does not meant that it is OK for us to do it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stoke_Gifford_Red Posted November 21, 2014 Report Share Posted November 21, 2014 I totally agree with the opening poster. Chucking flares is totally moronic. People cheering us throwing them during games are beyond stupid. There is no excuse for this. It is not just harmless fun. Whoever it is that is doing it, just stop it, you are an idiot. End of story. And...just because other idiotic morons are doing it at other clubs as well...does not meant that it is OK for us to do it. I think there is a difference between chucking devices ala Swindon and just casually letting them off on the floor as at other recent games. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedM Posted November 21, 2014 Report Share Posted November 21, 2014 What about the many times it's been done at our home games? I agree that if it happens at home then it's down to our club to stop them getting in, whether through searches or appeals/education/warnings. I was just using Swindon as the most recent example as the prospect of points deductions have come up since, and asking the question how can Bristol City be to blame. I actually quite like them, but can see the clubs stance as there is a fine line between smoke bombs and flares, fireworks etc. Makes sense from the clubs point of view to ban the lot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T R Posted November 21, 2014 Report Share Posted November 21, 2014 Just found a couple of pictures on google image. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Portland Bill Posted November 21, 2014 Report Share Posted November 21, 2014 I never thought I had a problem with people letting off smoke bombs. I always thought they added to the atmosphere and looked good. That was until Tuesday night at the WSM cup tie. Two were let off on the terrace behind the goal. Because it was a still night, all that happened is the smoke just lingered close to the ground and got in people's throats and eyes. Believe me,it really was horrible. I never thought I would say this,but one lad got arrested and he deserved it,and I hope he gets a ban. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Taylor is GOD Posted November 21, 2014 Report Share Posted November 21, 2014 What is there to argue about? The act is illegal You risk being banned from games You could get 300 hours community service or even a prison sentence The club could get points deducted Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cidered abroad Posted November 21, 2014 Report Share Posted November 21, 2014 Grassing on fellow fans, nice one. Shall we start reporting motorists who are driving over the speed limit? It's a police matter, let the police deal with it. Like manic hysteria on here at times. Surely it is better to treat this law in the same way that "Health & Safety At Work" operates. That law says that everyone is responsible for their own safety AND THE SAFETY OF EVERY OTHER PERSON IN THAT WORKPLACE. Thus no fan can isolate themselves and let off a smoke or fire device because it affects everyone else at the stadium. The elderly who cannot move quickly, those with respiratory problems, those with heart conditions, in fact everyone! The laws and rules are there to try to avoid unneccesary injury or inconvenience to people. A football match is not an excuse to have your own firework display. I for one will not have any problem identifying any offender to the relevant authorities. It is called being a law abiding citizen. Grassing up? How pathetic to think like that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admin phantom Posted November 21, 2014 Admin Report Share Posted November 21, 2014 I never thought I would say this,but one lad got arrested and he deserved it,and I hope he gets a ban. Charges got dropped as there was no CCTV evidence to him setting the smoke bomb off, he was in the bar later in the evening There was only one camera in the ground that night and wasn't pointing in that direction at the time. I understand from talking to someone at WSM FC that a number of people "pointed" him out, which is the reason he had the tap on the shoulder. Interestingly it was the same officer as who is working with City to sort this problem out Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vincent Vega Posted November 21, 2014 Report Share Posted November 21, 2014 Can't the police use a sniffer dog on the turnstiles for any dodgy looking yoof... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bar BS3 Posted November 21, 2014 Report Share Posted November 21, 2014 Grassing on fellow fans, nice one. Shall we start reporting motorists who are driving over the speed limit? It's a police matter, let the police deal with it. Like manic hysteria on here at times. I meant by fans having a word with those about to let them off and remind them about the consiquences (points deduction) Out of interest, are you saying that you would do nothing if those speeding drivers were regularly tearing up and down the road outside your house or kids school where you children might be out playing..? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Major Isewater Posted November 21, 2014 Report Share Posted November 21, 2014 When i wer a lad all we used to throw were toilet rolls (of the soft variety not the spread and scrape stuff that could be lethal ) the only danger was for the poor bugger who found himself caught short in the toilets at the Cumberland basin from whence we had "borrowed" said items and had no paper with which to finish the job ! All good (perhaps not so clean ) fun. ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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