Prostituted

[ateyomike]

think you only have to look at the ultra website and what they sell and no thanks please not at the gate its as though they are trying to morf into the edl

[phantom]

think you only have to look at the ultra website and what they sell and no thanks please not at the gate its as though they are trying to morf into the edl

 

Thank you for posting the funniest reply of the day - just brightened up a dull Monday

[PHILINFRANCE]

Thank you for posting the funniest reply of the day - just brightened up a dull Monday

 

Go back to a post on a Bristol City East End Ultras thread dated 1 March 2008, posted by a current poster.

 

I have (like said poster) been watching City (home and away) since the mid-1960's and have seen (both fan-wise and team-wise) a lot of good and bad - I started watching City by clinging on to the railings on top of the whitewashed and knee-height (waist-height to me at the time) railings in the then Open End and progressed to the East End before age took me to the Dolman.   

 

I now live in France and, regrettably, only come back to Bristol a few times a year, but when I do come back and attend a game, I now sit in the Williams stand.

 

I have always enjoyed the old East End atmosphere immensely, especially when I used to stand and sing amongst fellow City fans (and, occasionally, I remember Cardiff, Villa, Birmingham, Leicester and, especially, Liverpool etc. fans encroaching our 'end') and, latterly, in the stands, and I would be extremely disappointed to see this atmosphere disappear. 

 

In brief, my (now occasional) match day enjoyment would be diminished if there were to be no more raucous singing from whichever end the 'singers' ultimately choose, and I believe that the same singers should be allowed to wave flags, H&S requirements notwithstanding. 

 

ULTRAS (I arrive at my point finally) is, unfortunately, a delicate word - we are all aware of its history.

 

Would it not be possible (I have no idea how this might be accomplished) to combine the desire to 'fly' the Ultra flag with a similar flag or message demonstrating that racism etc. is not part of our 'message'?

[phantom]

think you only have to look at the ultra website and what they sell and no thanks please not at the gate its as though they are trying to morf into the edl

You should read this http://www.ultrasuk.co.uk/about

[NickJ]

I think the point being made here is not just about scarves, it is the wider picture of "re-branding by stealth".

 

The promotional pictures included a scarf with a Robin on either end. The actual scarf had the club name and Bristol Sport. No doubt it all looked good from a distance on the tv though.

Spot on in where I was coming from Stu. The promotional pictures were misleading? There's a surprise.

And to think that when I started this I didn't even know about the latest bollocks emanating from Bullshit Sport.

[NickJ]

unless of course the point is to suggest a person may lack the intellectual capacity to form logical opinions.

How are you defining intellectual capacity. If you agree qualifications are as good a measure as any, you show me yours and I'll show you mine.

Or you could engage in a verbal battle of wits.

I am going to guess your initials are JM, you were born in 1991, and you are an employee of Bristol Sport.

How correct is that?

[Guest]

Anonymous users are just users who haven't bothered logging in or have no login. To believe otherwise seems to indicate a persecution complex.

 

If we ever get to the Prem (and I personally think we will), no one will look at Bristol Sport in a bad light (except the die hards).

 

The Prem is having it's affect on the lower divisions and because of this, more clubs are becoming more savvy business wise, hence self promotion, advertising etc. Those who choose to stay in the dark ages will go out of business or stay in the lower echelons of the football league.

 

As to Bristol Sport. There are those who wonder why Bristol is such a backwater when it comes to sport. It appears that Bristol Sport is trying to do some thing about it. Only a blind person wouldn't see that.

[Bazooka Joe]

First they came for the Jews and I did not speak out because I was not a Jew.

Then they came for the Communists and I did not speak out because I was not a Communist.

Then they came for the trade unionists and I did not speak out because I was not a trade unionist.

Then they came for me and there was no one left to speak out for me.                                                        (Pastor Niemoller)

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Bristol Sport - It's the thin end of the wedge - invasive, pervasive and all-consuming.

 

Act and speak up now.

 

Protect and preserve our club's name, its identity, it's roots and traditions .... do something while there's still time.

[Port Said Red]

First they came for the Jews and I did not speak out because I was not a Jew.

Then they came for the Communists and I did not speak out because I was not a Communist.

Then they came for the trade unionists and I did not speak out because I was not a trade unionist.

Then they came for me and there was no one left to speak out for me.                                                        (Pastor Niemoller)

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Bristol Sport - It's the thin end of the wedge - invasive, pervasive and all-consuming.

 

Act and speak up now.

 

Protect and preserve our club's name, its identity, it's roots and traditions .... do something while there's still time.

oh my God. I thought I had seen some posts that lacked perspective in my time but this has to be the greatest example ever. Likening the actions of Bristol Sport to a regime that killed 6 million people? Incredible. I think this has to be my last post on this subject because anyone who thinks this way will never be reasoned with.

[Guest]

First they came for the Jews and I did not speak out because I was not a Jew.

Then they came for the Communists and I did not speak out because I was not a Communist.

Then they came for the trade unionists and I did not speak out because I was not a trade unionist.

Then they came for me and there was no one left to speak out for me.                                                        (Pastor Niemoller)

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Bristol Sport - It's the thin end of the wedge - invasive, pervasive and all-consuming.

 

Act and speak up now.

 

Protect and preserve our club's name, its identity, it's roots and traditions .... do something while there's still time.

 

Oh dear 

[bernie from barrow gurney]

Hahahahahahahaa

 

oh my God. I thought I had seen some posts that lacked perspective in my time but this has to be the greatest example ever. Likening the actions of Bristol Sport to a regime that killed 6 million people? Incredible. I think this has to be my last post on this subject because anyone who thinks this way will never be reasoned with.

 

I call BINGO in the name of Godwin and his law.

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin%27s_law

 

Q.E.D

 

Nice work fellas, we got there in the end. 

 

[Port Said Red]

Hahahahahahahaa

 

 

I call BINGO in the name of Godwin and his law.

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin%27s_law

 

Q.E.D

 

Nice work fellas, we got there in the end. 

 

excellent point but I think you are one post too late, Joe used a quote associated with Nazism, I just called him on it.

[RedRock]

And the score is:-

Plastics 1 Real Fans 1

Scorers

Ultra Flag 90+3 Bubb Machine 20

Bring it on!

[NickJ]

Port Said and Bernie and bcfcfinker, if you seriously think Bazooka was comparing Hitler with Bullshit Sport, either you need help or he does.

I will take a view it was just an easy way to get his point across.

[chipdawg]

First they came for the Jews and I did not speak out because I was not a Jew.

Then they came for the Communists and I did not speak out because I was not a Communist.

Then they came for the trade unionists and I did not speak out because I was not a trade unionist.

Then they came for me and there was no one left to speak out for me. (Pastor Niemoller)

Bristol Sport - It's the thin end of the wedge - invasive, pervasive and all-consuming.

Act and speak up now.

Protect and preserve our club's name, its identity, it's roots and traditions .... do something while there's still time.

In the list of tasteless posts completely out of all sense of perspective in OTIB history, this has to be up there in the top 10!

I actually think you have a point in one respect, i.e., if you have a problem with Bristol Sport speak now or don't expect to complain later, but the way they've said it is completely ridiculous

[ChippenhamRed]

Talk about paranoid. This apparently ghastly Bristol Sport organisation has just given us all a red and white scarf with Bristol City written on it!

Club's name - still Bristol City FC

Identity - still the same badge on the shirt and the same colour kit

Roots - we're redeveloping our spiritual home!

Traditions - they still play the Wurzels

If Steve Lansdown was actually a Vincent Tan type dictator with a desire to turn us into a franchise playing in purple and pink stripes, I think he might have done it by now.

[BTRFTG]

LondonBristolian - you are not getting my point or deliberately ignoring it to get your own across. Some of your points are good ones but divorce the playing side from the rest.

A structure is being created that means genuine City fans have less and less say in issues which are important to fans, and the club seems increasingly remote from the fans.

Bristol Sport have shown themselves to be totally out of touch with Bristol City fans.

Is that not a concern?

So you weren't at Crewe then listening to the hugely successful and eloquent Bristol Sport advocates answering questions (sic) and showing how clearly they're out of touch with Bristol City fans because ( and let's be honest here) what right minded individual would want to be associated with the :"Do you like green haribos...do you have a tenner on you...," brigade ? The fans who forever harp on about how great Barca are, some of whom may even have been to Nou Camp, and who won't for one second have noted the plethora of sports stadia they walk through to get to the main stadium , or their cultural significance to the community they represent. Fans more obsessed with arriving late, standing, paying heed to mobiles and singing inane chants ( no your garden shed isn't bigger than this...,) than watching the game - which is strangely what some of us like to do.

And since when did fans ever have a say in how City was run? Goes without saying if fans are that desperate to run the club they can do what Lansdown's done and invest (though I've never lived high on the hog through my City dividends....)

Yesterday was fun, looked great and short of a few rattles and rosettes was a nice hark back to the olden days. And still they moan.

[Mad Cyril]

oh my God. I thought I had seen some posts that lacked perspective in my time but this has to be the greatest example ever. Likening the actions of Bristol Sport to a regime that killed 6 million people? Incredible. I think this has to be my last post on this subject because anyone who thinks this way will never be reasoned with.

"je suis ultras"

Does this mean there has been some sort of military assassination of ultras members? If so I apologise for missing that and my condolences to the relatives.

[kevinmabbuttshair]

First they came for the Jews and I did not speak out because I was not a Jew.

Then they came for the Communists and I did not speak out because I was not a Communist.

Then they came for the trade unionists and I did not speak out because I was not a trade unionist.

Then they came for me and there was no one left to speak out for me.                                                        (Pastor Niemoller)

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Bristol Sport - It's the thin end of the wedge - invasive, pervasive and all-consuming.

 

Act and speak up now.

 

Protect and preserve our club's name, its identity, it's roots and traditions .... do something while there's still time.

 

 

That's it debate over, lock this un and start again

[WTFiGO!?!]

In the list of tasteless posts completely out of all sense of perspective in OTIB history, this has to be up there in the top 10!

I actually think you have a point in one respect, i.e., if you have a problem with Bristol Sport speak now or don't expect to complain later, but the way they've said it is completely ridiculous

I think it would be very dangerous not to have a minority who won't swing a scarve around their heads merely because they have been told too.

I agree that bringing the fate of the Jews into this is OTT but to not be asking serious questions and to meakly accept everything at face value is more worrying than going OTT in doing so.

The principle of the reference is relevant. At what point would the lovely, compliant scarve wavers draw a line? We would've had West Ham United running out to a mass of bubbles as the away team. This was very close to being implemented by the chaps at Bristol Sport. Do you like this concept? Did this possibility fill you with confidence that your football club is not going to be sold up the river? Just as well someone bothered speaking up, eh?

It frightens the shit out of me to be honest. Expect a reaction.

[Guest]

[The Bard]

This is all clearly the work of the illuminati.

[sh1t_ref_again]

The only good thing about this thread is that NickJ you started it rather than the usual high jacking of someone elses topic,with your random winging drivel.

 

I listened to what SL said yesterday and to me it make good sense, we can be much stronger as a group of clubs under the BS umbrella, with our own identities sharing the costs of a professional sports club, which will help us with the financial fair play rules. I guess for Bristol Rugby and the others to feel a part of it, its branding could not be as BCFC but generic and this should be around the stadium to make them welcome, moving forward. Who knows in years to come perhaps Bristol Rugby playing in Europe or that racing driver doing well in F1 may take BCFC to a whole new world of fans. Bristol is a great City and high profile sport can only bring big benefits, perhaps then the local council may even pitch in and try to help when required. (NLBR and probable many fans of other clubs up and down the country must be so envious, of what is being created) 

 

I do not go along with the scare mongering being touted or insecurity because a bit of blue used on a flag that we will suddenly lose our heritage or stop being BCFC, and the reason I have faith of this is we have a billionaire owner who most importantly is a city fan rather than just a rich owner, so could not see SL letting that change.

 

Cant remember that last time I enjoyed a season and have so much to look forward to, in my 30+ years of being a ST holder.

[Guest]

The only good thing about this thread is that NickJ you started it rather than the usual high jacking of someone elses topic,with your random winging drivel.

 

I listened to what SL said yesterday and to me it make good sense, we can be much stronger as a group of clubs under the BS umbrella, with our own identities sharing the costs of a professional sports club, which will help us with the financial fair play rules. I guess for Bristol Rugby and the others to feel a part of it, its branding could not be as BCFC but generic and this should be around the stadium to make them welcome, moving forward. Who knows in years to come perhaps Bristol Rugby playing in Europe or that racing driver doing well in F1 may take BCFC to a whole new world of fans. Bristol is a great City and high profile sport can only bring big benefits, perhaps then the local council may even pitch in and try to help when required. (NLBR and probable many fans of other clubs up and down the country must be so envious, of what is being created) 

 

I do not go along with the scare mongering being touted or insecurity because a bit of blue used on a flag that we will suddenly lose our heritage or stop being BCFC, and the reason I have faith of this is we have a billionaire owner who most importantly is a city fan rather than just a rich owner, so could not see SL letting that change.

 

Cant remember that last time I enjoyed a season and have so much to look forward to, in my 30+ years of being a ST holder.

He also said, not long ago I believe, redevelopment of AG is not an option

[chipdawg]

I think it would be very dangerous not to have a minority who won't swing a scarve around their heads merely because they have been told too.

I agree that bringing the fate of the Jews into this is OTT but to not be asking serious questions and to meakly accept everything at face value is more worrying than going OTT in doing so.

The principle of the reference is relevant. At what point would the lovely, compliant scarve wavers draw a line? We would've had West Ham United running out to a mass of bubbles as the away team. This was very close to being implemented by the chaps at Bristol Sport. Do you like this concept? Did this possibility fill you with confidence that your football club is not going to be sold up the river? Just as well someone bothered speaking up, eh?

It frightens the shit out of me to be honest. Expect a reaction.

Bristol Sport is undoubtedly a 'commercialisation' of the football club but to be honest I don't think we have any choice in the modern game. You can argue all you like about how terrible that is, but it's a fact and has been la mode for several decades now. The fact is that this club has been lacking professionalism for years and Bristol Sport is an attempt to instil that professionalism. While I agree that the scarfs idea was probably a bit misdirected, at least they're trying to create an atmosphere, create a spectacle and engage with the fans. Just because there are some people who feel that they're doing it wrong, doesn't mean everyone does. They're not going to get everything right and there are certainly going to be things that BS want to instigate that the fans don't agree with, but it's only a year old and things may change and may evolve into something more acceptable to all. But I would argue you're better off trying to engage with them than railing against them

What I'd like to see BS do is firstly engage with ALL fans to a) see what they want from the club and the new Ashton Gate and b) to actually understand why they want it. I'm sure if there was dialogue this whole 'ultras' thing on the other thread could have been avoided.

Secondly, I'd like to see the 'Bristol Sport' brand replaced with a stronger 'Bristol City' emphasis. Perhaps you couldn't do it with the rugby club, but we could have 'Bristol City Academy' and Bristol City Flyers' without any real diminishment of their 'brands'

Anyway, I genuinely have sympathy for the view that football has become sanitised and has moved away from its roots. Some of that is good (less violence) some of it is bad (all seater, prices) but Bristol Sport isn't solely responsible for it. I just think the reaction to them giving anyone a scarf, in Bristol City colours, with 'Bristol City' written on it (among other things to be fair) has been over the top

[NickJ]

The only good thing about this thread is that NickJ you started it rather than the usual high jacking of someone elses topic,with your random winging drivel.

 

I listened to what SL said yesterday and to me it make good sense, we can be much stronger as a group of clubs under the BS umbrella, with our own identities sharing the costs of a professional sports club, which will help us with the financial fair play rules. I guess for Bristol Rugby and the others to feel a part of it, its branding could not be as BCFC but generic and this should be around the stadium to make them welcome, moving forward. Who knows in years to come perhaps Bristol Rugby playing in Europe or that racing driver doing well in F1 may take BCFC to a whole new world of fans. Bristol is a great City and high profile sport can only bring big benefits, perhaps then the local council may even pitch in and try to help when required. (NLBR and probable many fans of other clubs up and down the country must be so envious, of what is being created) 

 

I do not go along with the scare mongering being touted or insecurity because a bit of blue used on a flag that we will suddenly lose our heritage or stop being BCFC, and the reason I have faith of this is we have a billionaire owner who most importantly is a city fan rather than just a rich owner, so could not see SL letting that change.

 

Cant remember that last time I enjoyed a season and have so much to look forward to, in my 30+ years of being a ST holder.

"Hijacking of someone elses topic". That's funny I will be sure to ask you which topics I can reply to in future. Or do I have to start my own thread to reply to something?

In the space of a few days the club and Bristol Sport have between them created at least 3 controversies that I can think of which have each seen poll condemnation of 80% or more.

Despite your rudeness I will acknowledge there are some points you make which I would go along with, however there is a fundamental problem when a "business" does not understand its "customer base".

[bernie from barrow gurney]

Port Said and Bernie and bcfcfinker, if you seriously think Bazooka was comparing Hitler with Bullshit Sport, either you need help or he does.

 

The stated law was proven, irrespective of the comment or the commentator.

 

Oh, & I definitely need help. These millions don't earn themselves you know.

 

Can't be bothered to read anymore. Have we agreed to set up AFC Bristol City United yet? Let me know if you need some kits or a free ball or three.

 

Lansdown OUT; NickJ IN

[WTFiGO!?!]

[NickJ]

He also said, not long ago I believe, redevelopment of AG is not an option

Indeed he (Steve) did. Several times. Categorically.

I disagreed, as it happens, vociferously and often in a minority of one.

Not just because Steve could afford it, because clearly he could if he wanted to, but because before the balance sheet was obliterated the plan was already in place using football grants, fans donations (what happened to all those bricks) and bank finance with Ashton Gate as security.

 

Bristol Sport is undoubtedly a 'commercialisation' of the football club but to be honest I don't think we have any choice in the modern game. You can argue all you like about how terrible that is, but it's a fact and has been la mode for several decades now. The fact is that this club has been lacking professionalism for years and Bristol Sport is an attempt to instil that professionalism. While I agree that the scarfs idea was probably a bit misdirected, at least they're trying to create an atmosphere, create a spectacle and engage with the fans. Just because there are some people who feel that they're doing it wrong, doesn't mean everyone does. They're not going to get everything right and there are certainly going to be things that BS want to instigate that the fans don't agree with, but it's only a year old and things may change and may evolve into something more acceptable to all. But I would argue you're better off trying to engage with them than railing against them

What I'd like to see BS do is firstly engage with ALL fans to a) see what they want from the club and the new Ashton Gate and b) to actually understand why they want it. I'm sure if there was dialogue this whole 'ultras' thing on the other thread could have been avoided.

Secondly, I'd like to see the 'Bristol Sport' brand replaced with a stronger 'Bristol City' emphasis. Perhaps you couldn't do it with the rugby club, but we could have 'Bristol City Academy' and Bristol City Flyers' without any real diminishment of their 'brands'

Anyway, I genuinely have sympathy for the view that football has become sanitised and has moved away from its roots. Some of that is good (less violence) some of it is bad (all seater, prices) but Bristol Sport isn't solely responsible for it. I just think the reaction to them giving anyone a scarf, in Bristol City colours, with 'Bristol City' written on it (among other things to be fair) has been over the top

Fair comments but just to re-iterate the scarf is the manifestation of the problem, not the problem itself, particularly coming as it did after the several incidents of the past few days. I would embrace Bristol Sport if (a) it was done differently and (b) they embraced us as fans and in particular did not alienate the fans who create the atmosphere which Bristol Sport allegedly crave.

I have said for years that a genuine grass roots Bristol City fan should be represented at board level and in my view the events of the past few days demonstrate that even more clearly.

[Roe]

That's it debate over, lock this un an

Hmm