Esmond Million's Bung Posted April 4, 2015 Report Share Posted April 4, 2015 I vowed I would never ever vote Tory ( not that I ever did!) because of the way Thatcher and her mob treated the likes of me. A few million others must have/do feel the same as me,because they haven't won a mandate to govern us for 18 years now. Hopefully this will carry on in May. To many of us over 45's who were thrown on the dole by Thatchers policies will never ever forgive the Tories. Policies that allowed new labour to have loadsamoney to waste in their usual way, whilst carrying on their Thatcherite ways, pandering to the middle classes whilst abandoning the working classes, effectively before the last election the UK had 33 years of Thatcherism. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chipdawg Posted April 4, 2015 Report Share Posted April 4, 2015 Policies that allowed new labour to have loadsamoney to waste in their usual way, whilst carrying on their Thatcherite ways, pandering to the middle classes whilst abandoning the working classes, effectively before the last election the UK had 33 years of Thatcherism. 'Before' the last election? So you think the last 5 years haven't been Thatcherism? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob k Posted April 4, 2015 Report Share Posted April 4, 2015 I vowed I would never ever vote Tory ( not that I ever did!) because of the way Thatcher and her mob treated the likes of me. A few million others must have/do feel the same as me,because they haven't won a mandate to govern us for 18 years now. Hopefully this will carry on in May. To many of us over 45's who were thrown on the dole by Thatchers policies will never ever forgive the Tories. I was to young to remember living under Thatcher but there are plenty who absolutely believe her tough decisions saved this country. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldstandrobin Posted April 5, 2015 Report Share Posted April 5, 2015 I was to young to remember living under Thatcher but there are plenty who absolutely believe her tough decisions saved this country. When Thatcher came to power I started my business and it thrived under her, however in her latter years, when interest rates reached 15% ( yes you youngsters its hard to believe) and my mortgage rocketed plus my business borrowing was 18% it all went t**s up. Little bit like watching the City , as I say to my wife I have The City.. I have the Dogs.. I have my health and I have you Be grateful and enjoy every day as though it was your last.....for one day ...It will be . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IAmNick Posted April 6, 2015 Report Share Posted April 6, 2015 Another thought: https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=10205250086245522&fref=nf A lot of talking but he doesn't really say anything. Plays on the UKIP "everyone hates us" nonsense as if Farage is some rogue bad boy, rather than another middle england public school toff playing up to some stupid public image ala Boris Johnson. Argues for more heavily controlled immigration like all parties do - the idea any of them welcome uncontrolled millions is an absolute nonsense, everyone agrees the current situation is not satisfactory (to varying degrees) and all he's doing is playing off of peoples fears and scare mongering. The only difference is he is narrow minded enough to think the only answer is to leave the EU, stranding the country completely, rather than trying to reform the EU and still reap the all the benefits it gives us as a country. The EU is not perfect of course - it would be naive to think it was (or ever will be), but it's a darn sight better than the alternative. If you want to vote literally based of a single issue resulting in a knee jerk response then UKIP is your choice, but it's not a long term or more rounded choice - they got MEPs and have the worst rate in the entire european parliment of actually damn well turning up to do anything (collecting their salaries the entire time mind you). It's very easy (like the Lib Dems) to sit on the ouside and throw ideas around of how you'd magically fix everything, but when it comes down to it it's never that simple. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WTFiGO!?! Posted April 6, 2015 Report Share Posted April 6, 2015 UKIP have never said at any point they don't like or want immigration. They have always said they want CONTROLLED immigration, so Johnny Foreigner would still be over here working in our care homes and hospitals etc. etc. I have to give the Labour mouthpiece the BBC, full credit for continuing this state led propaganda. It's true I suppose that sling enough mud in a direction and it will stick. Anyway I have decided for the first time since I stupidly voted for Tony way back when, that I can place a vote, should I be bothered on the day. She came across as almost human in that room on TV, then again it wasn't difficult I suppose. The Greens will have my vote, based on their desire to look after the local communities first.Well, as a floater, I do enjoy the role of just chilling out and letting them sweat! Haha. Probabably will give it a protest vote, after all's said and done. Absolutely terrible not to have the obvious one for you to vote for. Cu nt s. They can have a big old scribed BCFC on their ballot form SC for PM. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob k Posted April 6, 2015 Report Share Posted April 6, 2015 When Thatcher came to power I started my business and it thrived under her, however in her latter years, when interest rates reached 15% ( yes you youngsters its hard to believe) and my mortgage rocketed plus my business borrowing was 18% it all went t**s up. Little bit like watching the City , as I say to my wife I have The City.. I have the Dogs.. I have my health and I have you Be grateful and enjoy every day as though it was your last.....for one day ...It will be . Out of interest - does this mean you would never vote Tory again because of decisions made 30 odd years ago? I personally can't see how anybody could be happy with that utter clown Miliband in charge of the country. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IAmNick Posted April 6, 2015 Report Share Posted April 6, 2015 so not a fan then Who will you be voting for Nick, as a matter of interest? Haha, yes, sorry how did you guess - no time for UKIP and none for Peter Hitchens either (I liked his late brother though!) It's all Labour and Green where I live in Bristol. I'll vote Labour though which seems to be an unpopular choice on here but hey ho - I'm not 100% convinced by Miliband either but I think he gets given a hard time by the (particularily Murdoch run) press because of what he wants to do to them. Sometimes he looks kind of nerdy and awkward (so do I though to be honest!) but other times he seems decent, he's a bit of an enigma - as it happens I saw an interview the other day where I thought he came across well. The basic values and policy of labour though I feel are more important than whether Ed smiles weirdly on breakfast TV sometimes so that's what I'll be going for, as I couldn't bring myself to vote Conservative and I have too many friends who voted Lib Dem last time and got burnt (I'm around 30) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldstandrobin Posted April 6, 2015 Report Share Posted April 6, 2015 Out of interest - does this mean you would never vote Tory again because of decisions made 30 odd years ago? I personally can't see how anybody could be happy with that utter clown Miliband in charge of the country. Have voted Tory since and was even 'conned' by Blur and voted for him. Trouble is now you cannot scratch beneath the surface and find out their 'real' intentions. Coalition now slagging each other off having ruled for 5 years, its the COUNTRY that matters, not vain and shallow politicians. Blur taught me that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Portland Bill Posted April 6, 2015 Report Share Posted April 6, 2015 Out of interest - does this mean you would never vote Tory again because of decisions made 30 odd years ago? I personally can't see how anybody could be happy with that utter clown Miliband in charge of the country. I'm genuinely interested in the reasons you call him an "utter clown". Do you know him,have you met him? Or is it because you believe how the right wing media portray him? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Esmond Million's Bung Posted April 7, 2015 Report Share Posted April 7, 2015 Good to see the war criminal let off the leash to speak in support of Miliband, ooops the public can't be trusted on a vote on Europe, well that'll help then, I wonder if Ed agrees?. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Batman Posted April 8, 2015 Report Share Posted April 8, 2015 Good to see the war criminal let off the leash to speak in support of Miliband, ooops the public can't be trusted on a vote on Europe, well that'll help then, I wonder if Ed agrees?. The State knows best. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cityexile Posted April 8, 2015 Report Share Posted April 8, 2015 I was to young to remember living under Thatcher but there are plenty who absolutely believe her tough decisions saved this country. Plenty of people believe Hitler's Germany built good roads. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Hunt-Hertz Posted April 8, 2015 Report Share Posted April 8, 2015 Plenty of people believe Hitler's Germany built good roads. And Mussolini got the trains running on time.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Batman Posted April 8, 2015 Report Share Posted April 8, 2015 Plenty of people believe Hitler's Germany built good roads. Nazi occupied Germany is the only example in history of Socialism ever bringing prosperity to a nation. (cue the "that's not my type of socialism" response) - BINGO!!! The economic turnaround that it had was unprecedented. Next to no unemployment, wage increases across all sectors and the nationalisation of all the key industries and state control of investments, you can say I'm wrong till your blue in the face but it's true. Compare the economy of 1932 Germany to that of, I'd say, 1940. Another reason why it succeeded was the slave labour that they got from the "non-Aryans" which of course helped, as it did in Russia at the same time and their collectivised holocaust that the Soviet's forced on their people. Course as with all socialism, it ran up huge deficits and debts and the standard of living went to a near low, and there were huge lines for food and clothing rationing. Very much like Cuba and Venezuela now The only reason why we are not speaking German right now is because Hitler decided to break the Nazi-Soviet Pact & invade Russia in 1941, we would be looking at a completely different world for all of us if he didn't. The economic plan they set up simply could not cope with a Russian invasion. Then it started to go wrong. Overspending, killing their workforce, equipment not suitable for Russian winter, basically you can link Hitler losing the war to the 22nd June 1941. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robbored Posted April 8, 2015 Report Share Posted April 8, 2015 I'm voting for labour, hang on wait......I'm voting Tory........ Hmmmmm......maybe I'll vote UKIP Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Esmond Million's Bung Posted April 8, 2015 Report Share Posted April 8, 2015 Ed is certainly following his French hero Francis Hollande, but obviously hasn't looked at the French economy or Hollande's approval rating, it's frightening. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cityexile Posted April 8, 2015 Report Share Posted April 8, 2015 Ed is certainly following his French hero Francis Hollande, but obviously hasn't looked at the French economy or Hollande's approval rating, it's frightening. Actually, whilst instinctively left of centre, I think the fact this is wrong in the round is shown up by how much he is losing the emotional argument to those truely on the left such as the SNP, who certainly much more closely follow this model. Their approach seems to be close your eyes, click your heels together three times and say 'austerity is gone' and when you open your eyes there you go! Whilst they are now trying to show us they are hugely different, its mainly posturing as both main parties play for the centre ground. At a time of hardship still for many that makes both of them exposed to attacks from their flanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Bard Posted April 10, 2015 Report Share Posted April 10, 2015 The article below says it all about this general election for me. The leaders of the two main parties are so odious and useless that their own party members don't want them anywhere near the campaigns that will actually decide the election. http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2015/apr/10/david-cameron-and-ed-miliband-told-to-stay-away-by-constituencies Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chipdawg Posted April 10, 2015 Report Share Posted April 10, 2015 The article below says it all about this general election for me. The leaders of the two main parties are so odious and useless that their own party members don't want them anywhere near the campaigns that will actually decide the election.http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2015/apr/10/david-cameron-and-ed-miliband-told-to-stay-away-by-constituencies But in some respects all that is more deceptive than the party politics. The chap contesting Kilburn and Hampstead for The Tories must know full well that he campaign all he likes against Trident or HS2, as a first-time MP he'll have no say whatsoever. So they can bleat all they like about campaigning on local issues, when they get to Westminster, they'll all walk the party line Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Batman Posted April 14, 2015 Report Share Posted April 14, 2015 The Greens sent out their manifesto today which I have enjoyed winding one of my best mates up about it. He's decided to stop voting Labour and support the Greens, and I think he should take some (not all) Labour voters with him. When she was interviewed in those car crash interviews, she said that they would have a complete open boarder, but now they have acknowledge that it simply is not feasible, so fair play to them for that, but the element of collectivisation and state ownership that they want is so scary considering it's 2015 and we've seen these types of policies before (thankfully not in Britain) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dolman Pragmatist Posted April 14, 2015 Report Share Posted April 14, 2015 The Greens sent out their manifesto today which I have enjoyed winding one of my best mates up about it. He's decided to stop voting Labour and support the Greens, and I think he should take some (not all) Labour voters with him. When she was interviewed in those car crash interviews, she said that they would have a complete open boarder, but now they have acknowledge that it simply is not feasible, so fair play to them for that, but the element of collectivisation and state ownership that they want is so scary considering it's 2015 and we've seen these types of policies before (thankfully not in Britain) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Batman Posted April 14, 2015 Report Share Posted April 14, 2015 I think the fact that the Greens are prepared to admit when they've got something wrong, or even change their mind, is refreshing. Rather that than just be fed blatant untruths and deceptions by the Tories. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dolman Pragmatist Posted April 14, 2015 Report Share Posted April 14, 2015 Just the Tories? I have to say that the Tories stand out for me in that respect, being the party of self-interest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Batman Posted April 14, 2015 Report Share Posted April 14, 2015 I have to say that the Tories stand out for me in that respect, being the party of self-interest. I dunno, considering the amount of tax evasion and avoision that the Labour party members have done in recent years, especially everyone's favourite Socialist Tony Benn, I don't think they're ones to play the ethics and moral cards. I don't blame him, I would do the same thing, but I have not preached my entire life for people not to do it. I presume too that you voluntarily pay more tax than is required? if not why not? stop being so selfish with your self-interest and think of the common good of society. :-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monkeh Posted April 14, 2015 Report Share Posted April 14, 2015 I dunno, considering the amount of tax evasion and avoision that the Labour party members have done in recent years, especially everyone's favourite Socialist Tony Benn, I don't think they're ones to play the ethics and moral cards. I don't blame him, I would do the same thing, but I have not preached my entire life for people not to do it. I presume too that you voluntarily pay more tax than is required? if not why not? stop being so selfish with your self-interest and think of the common good of society. :-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Kid in the Riot Posted April 14, 2015 Report Share Posted April 14, 2015 Am I right in thinking Clegg must be loving this as surely the Lib Dems are more than likely going to end up in another coalition government? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Batman Posted April 14, 2015 Report Share Posted April 14, 2015 Am I right in thinking Clegg must be loving this as surely the Lib Dems are more than likely going to end up in another coalition government? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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