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Good riddance! These foreign banks, coming over here, investing our money...

(Joking obviously, bad news for the city if true. Watch Labour and Tories fall over themselves offering tax incentives for them to stay)

 

I have a feeling they are Europe's biggest bank (could be Barclays, not sure how they measure it), but HSBC's biggest customer base is still in Asia, and they have said they will move back to Hong Kong for that reason.*

 

*that and the taxes in Hong Kong are so much lower.

 

I'm still maintaining it's down to the worry of a Labour government and them getting taxed to hell.. Bit like when Miliband said they would freeze energy prices, so the providers increased all their prices prior to the possibility of them being elected so they'd be frozen at a higher amount - genius.

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I agree with you to an extent on the job seekers issue- there's no reason why people couldn't be expected to contribute to their communities while receiving state aid. However, I think it's more complicated than you portray. If you have the unemployed picking up litter and cleaning the streets, the people previously in gainful employment to do this things will be made redundant and ironically doing the job they were previously engaged in for a fraction of the salary. The families that are into the 3rd generation of life-long unemployment will become 'institutionalised' because there are so few opportunities in their area to do anything other than sweep streets for benefits. And of course people will just start to forgo benefits and engage in criminal activity (probably more criminal activity actually) and that will have a further detrimental effect on the community. You have a ghetto. I think there is probably a middle way, but we need to spend money on creating opportunity for employment in the most blighted communities, make sure those jobs pay reasonably and then make sure the people in those communities have to seek said jobs. We should remember; far more state money is spent on benefits topping up the wages of those in employment because companies don't pay a living wage than on the terminally unemployed

As for the electoral system, bang on. Most of our votes don't count and gerrymandering means that it's a defacto two party state, where neither of the parties has anything like the support of a majority of the country. Proportional representation please

I understand your point and the thought did cross my mind when typing. I wouldn't want anyone put out of work and that's why I suggested it should be jobs no one else is doing. How about getting them to volunteer. Scrubbing graffiti etc. A bit like community service really. My thinking is more aimed at the long term unemployed rather than those who have worked and now find themselves unemployed. Those people fully deserve to receive help from the welfare system and that's what the welfare system should be there for to help the most needy. Not hand out free money to people who have never worked a day in their lives.
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They haven't got a job,why not?,no jobs about :laugh:,my arse,if you can't afford kids stop shelling em out like peas,this country has got lazyiitus and its about time it changed

Strange,last time I looked there was 1.8 million people out of work, ( under the fiddled figures!) and 8 million people in such shit paid jobs that they have to have benefits to top there wages up.

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What about single parents with two or three kids. They can only work 6 hours a day or pay ridiculous childcare fees. There are many people who by circumstance, usually children who struggle to find consistent work that pays enough. 

 

Batman has already explained this. They don't have the same mentality and discipline as him.

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I understand your point and the thought did cross my mind when typing. I wouldn't want anyone put out of work and that's why I suggested it should be jobs no one else is doing. How about getting them to volunteer. Scrubbing graffiti etc. A bit like community service really. My thinking is more aimed at the long term unemployed rather than those who have worked and now find themselves unemployed. Those people fully deserve to receive help from the welfare system and that's what the welfare system should be there for to help the most needy. Not hand out free money to people who have never worked a day in their lives.

Like I said, I have a lot of sympathy for the idea. A big part of the issue in South Yorkshire where I live is that after the heavy industry just vanished in the 1980s, there was nothing to replace it and so communities that had been constructed solely to service a colliery or a forge suddenly had nothing. Recession followed in the early 90s and businesses weren't expanding or being created and all of a sudden you had a generation reaching working age who had never known their grand parents work and who's parents had never had a job. Joblessness become endemic. Of course, that's not an excuse in itself because people should want to work and want to create a better life for themselves outside of the charity of state, but it's not as simple as people having 'lazyitus' as someone put it. While I think those communities would benefit from having the concept of working for a wage reintroduced to them, unless jobs are created in their communities for them to aspire to, then you'll just create a generation of people who are still dependant on state aid, but have to scrub walls to get it- all the while being supervised and organised by people who the state have to pay

This has always been the crux if my dislike of the Tories; it wasn't the way they shut down the collieries and heavy industry in the north of England and Wales in the 1980s- the unions were running wild and needed to be tamed- but it was how no attempt was made to reinvigorate those communities afterwards. Vast swathes of the country were left to rot for idealogical purposes and for me that is unforgivable

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Batman has already explained this. They don't have the same mentality and discipline as him.

I was born to mid-teenage parents. They took responsibility for their actions by working long hours in jobs they hated to make sure I had a roof over my head and food on the table. They didn't expect society to foot the bill for their decisions and its a mentality I've grown up with. Course there are other circumstances, ie being in a job for 30 years with 3 kids. I'm leaving my job next week as there is talk of it not lasting till Christmas, so I've jumped ship and gone elsewhere to take responsibility for paying my mortgage and keeping the wife and dog fed. I don't have kids, she wants them but I've told her we need to be financially secure first and she accepts that. Simple, don't have 3 kids if there is a possibility you can't afford them until they leave home one day. Sorry if it's not what you want to hear / read but it's real life.... If taxes were lower, people can put away more of their own cash to support themselves in circumstances such as this.

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Really, the only viable option for a Labour/SNP coalition would be to quit your job and reap in the benefits of other peoples hard work.  Societies should not reward malfunctioning members of society, I will never fathom anyone who votes Labour purely for that reason. 

Socialism doesn't work, socialism propped up by nationalism... well.

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Not as serious as some of the other debate on this thread, but this story is football relatrd and made me chuckle:

http://gu.com/p/47p33

Basically David Cameron has previously professed to be a big Aston Villa fan, yet earlier on today had a "brain fade" and instead thought he supported West Ham. The excuse the Conservative spin people are saying for him getting mixed up is because Villa and West Ham have similar colour kits!

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I was born to mid-teenage parents. They took responsibility for their actions by working long hours in jobs they hated to make sure I had a roof over my head and food on the table. They didn't expect society to foot the bill for their decisions and its a mentality I've grown up with. Course there are other circumstances, ie being in a job for 30 years with 3 kids. I'm leaving my job next week as there is talk of it not lasting till Christmas, so I've jumped ship and gone elsewhere to take responsibility for paying my mortgage and keeping the wife and dog fed. I don't have kids, she wants them but I've told her we need to be financially secure first and she accepts that. Simple, don't have 3 kids if there is a possibility you can't afford them until they leave home one day. Sorry if it's not what you want to hear / read but it's real life.... If taxes were lower, people can put away more of their own cash to support themselves in circumstances such as this.

Unfortunately 'real life' also creates a lot of children that aren't planned.

As for taxes, the very first thing this Tory led Government did was to raise VAT to 20%.

VAT is the most unequal tax of all, and the Tories are the only political party that have ever put it up.

Re mortgages, I and many others had to put up with mortgage rates of 15% ( yes 15 %) under Thatcher in the early 90's.

That was the reality of real life back then,and I won't ever forgive them.

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Unfortunately 'real life' also creates a lot of children that aren't planned.

As for taxes, the very first thing this Tory led Government did was to raise VAT to 20%.

VAT is the most unequal tax of all, and the Tories are the only political party that have ever put it up.

Re mortgages, I and many others had to put up with mortgage rates of 15% ( yes 15 %) under Thatcher in the early 90's.

That was the reality of real life back then,and I won't ever forgive them.

 

Will Labour come in and reduce VAT back down to 17.5% though Bill, if it's such a nasty Tory policy.

 

You know as well as I do they wont.

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Will Labour come in and reduce VAT back down to 17.5% though Bill, if it's such a nasty Tory policy.

You know as well as I do they wont.

I really don't know, I do know that Labour have never put it up.

The Tories originally introduced it and are the only party to ever put it up.

Cameron stated in 2010 that they would not raise it,then did a few weeks later,he has said the same in this election campaign..........

The Lib Dems used campaign posters in 2010 saying 'no rise in VAT' , shameless the pair of them.

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Put down the daily mail for a second.

How about paying them to clean the streets? If not its pretty much slavery

Do you realise people on jsa take up a tiny proportion of the current welfare bill? The vast majority goes on pensions and oaps and sometimes even the vulnerable members of society who are too ill to work

Bit out of date but this includes a chart which shows that very point: http://gu.com/p/3dv4q

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or perhaps a proper investigation into the tax affairs of Patricia Hodge MP and her family business, which seems to be very murky to say the least and she's the one spearheading labours policy of these companies paying the correct amount of tax on their profit. Was it 0.01% tax on company profits?.

 

Patricia Hodge is an actress, not an MP.

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