Mr Popodopolous Posted April 23, 2015 Report Share Posted April 23, 2015 Hopefully a Lib-Lab pact will form. One thing I am certain of in fact it's just obvious this time around, no one party will win an outright majority Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Up The City! Posted April 24, 2015 Report Share Posted April 24, 2015 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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The Batman Posted April 24, 2015 Report Share Posted April 24, 2015 http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-32443930 Think they're predicting a Labour win next month Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barrs Court Red Posted April 24, 2015 Report Share Posted April 24, 2015 Not on government and they're already causing financial chaos.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chipdawg Posted April 24, 2015 Report Share Posted April 24, 2015 http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-32443930 Think they're predicting a Labour win next month Good riddance! These foreign banks, coming over here, investing our money... (Joking obviously, bad news for the city if true. Watch Labour and Tories fall over themselves offering tax incentives for them to stay) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Batman Posted April 24, 2015 Report Share Posted April 24, 2015 Good riddance! These foreign banks, coming over here, investing our money... (Joking obviously, bad news for the city if true. Watch Labour and Tories fall over themselves offering tax incentives for them to stay) I have a feeling they are Europe's biggest bank (could be Barclays, not sure how they measure it), but HSBC's biggest customer base is still in Asia, and they have said they will move back to Hong Kong for that reason.* *that and the taxes in Hong Kong are so much lower. I'm still maintaining it's down to the worry of a Labour government and them getting taxed to hell.. Bit like when Miliband said they would freeze energy prices, so the providers increased all their prices prior to the possibility of them being elected so they'd be frozen at a higher amount - genius. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Up The City! Posted April 24, 2015 Report Share Posted April 24, 2015 I agree with you to an extent on the job seekers issue- there's no reason why people couldn't be expected to contribute to their communities while receiving state aid. However, I think it's more complicated than you portray. If you have the unemployed picking up litter and cleaning the streets, the people previously in gainful employment to do this things will be made redundant and ironically doing the job they were previously engaged in for a fraction of the salary. The families that are into the 3rd generation of life-long unemployment will become 'institutionalised' because there are so few opportunities in their area to do anything other than sweep streets for benefits. And of course people will just start to forgo benefits and engage in criminal activity (probably more criminal activity actually) and that will have a further detrimental effect on the community. You have a ghetto. I think there is probably a middle way, but we need to spend money on creating opportunity for employment in the most blighted communities, make sure those jobs pay reasonably and then make sure the people in those communities have to seek said jobs. We should remember; far more state money is spent on benefits topping up the wages of those in employment because companies don't pay a living wage than on the terminally unemployed As for the electoral system, bang on. Most of our votes don't count and gerrymandering means that it's a defacto two party state, where neither of the parties has anything like the support of a majority of the country. Proportional representation pleaseI understand your point and the thought did cross my mind when typing. I wouldn't want anyone put out of work and that's why I suggested it should be jobs no one else is doing. How about getting them to volunteer. Scrubbing graffiti etc. A bit like community service really. My thinking is more aimed at the long term unemployed rather than those who have worked and now find themselves unemployed. Those people fully deserve to receive help from the welfare system and that's what the welfare system should be there for to help the most needy. Not hand out free money to people who have never worked a day in their lives. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Portland Bill Posted April 24, 2015 Report Share Posted April 24, 2015 My comments have an element of tongue in cheek about them, but don't you think it's a bit co-incidental that they are having an emergency review of their HQ just before an election where Labour and the SNP might win? No, probably because I have a completely different view to you Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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joe jordans teeth Posted April 24, 2015 Report Share Posted April 24, 2015 They haven't got a job,why not?,no jobs about :laugh:,my arse,if you can't afford kids stop shelling em out like peas,this country has got lazyiitus and its about time it changed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Portland Bill Posted April 24, 2015 Report Share Posted April 24, 2015 They haven't got a job,why not?,no jobs about ,my arse,if you can't afford kids stop shelling em out like peas,this country has got lazyiitus and its about time it changed Strange,last time I looked there was 1.8 million people out of work, ( under the fiddled figures!) and 8 million people in such shit paid jobs that they have to have benefits to top there wages up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joe jordans teeth Posted April 24, 2015 Report Share Posted April 24, 2015 Spot on bill,just imagine the carnage if labour got back in,treble those figures Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrBibs Posted April 25, 2015 Report Share Posted April 25, 2015 What about single parents with two or three kids. They can only work 6 hours a day or pay ridiculous childcare fees. There are many people who by circumstance, usually children who struggle to find consistent work that pays enough. Batman has already explained this. They don't have the same mentality and discipline as him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chipdawg Posted April 25, 2015 Report Share Posted April 25, 2015 I understand your point and the thought did cross my mind when typing. I wouldn't want anyone put out of work and that's why I suggested it should be jobs no one else is doing. How about getting them to volunteer. Scrubbing graffiti etc. A bit like community service really. My thinking is more aimed at the long term unemployed rather than those who have worked and now find themselves unemployed. Those people fully deserve to receive help from the welfare system and that's what the welfare system should be there for to help the most needy. Not hand out free money to people who have never worked a day in their lives. Like I said, I have a lot of sympathy for the idea. A big part of the issue in South Yorkshire where I live is that after the heavy industry just vanished in the 1980s, there was nothing to replace it and so communities that had been constructed solely to service a colliery or a forge suddenly had nothing. Recession followed in the early 90s and businesses weren't expanding or being created and all of a sudden you had a generation reaching working age who had never known their grand parents work and who's parents had never had a job. Joblessness become endemic. Of course, that's not an excuse in itself because people should want to work and want to create a better life for themselves outside of the charity of state, but it's not as simple as people having 'lazyitus' as someone put it. While I think those communities would benefit from having the concept of working for a wage reintroduced to them, unless jobs are created in their communities for them to aspire to, then you'll just create a generation of people who are still dependant on state aid, but have to scrub walls to get it- all the while being supervised and organised by people who the state have to pay This has always been the crux if my dislike of the Tories; it wasn't the way they shut down the collieries and heavy industry in the north of England and Wales in the 1980s- the unions were running wild and needed to be tamed- but it was how no attempt was made to reinvigorate those communities afterwards. Vast swathes of the country were left to rot for idealogical purposes and for me that is unforgivable Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Batman Posted April 25, 2015 Report Share Posted April 25, 2015 Batman has already explained this. They don't have the same mentality and discipline as him. I was born to mid-teenage parents. They took responsibility for their actions by working long hours in jobs they hated to make sure I had a roof over my head and food on the table. They didn't expect society to foot the bill for their decisions and its a mentality I've grown up with. Course there are other circumstances, ie being in a job for 30 years with 3 kids. I'm leaving my job next week as there is talk of it not lasting till Christmas, so I've jumped ship and gone elsewhere to take responsibility for paying my mortgage and keeping the wife and dog fed. I don't have kids, she wants them but I've told her we need to be financially secure first and she accepts that. Simple, don't have 3 kids if there is a possibility you can't afford them until they leave home one day. Sorry if it's not what you want to hear / read but it's real life.... If taxes were lower, people can put away more of their own cash to support themselves in circumstances such as this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JM91 Posted April 25, 2015 Report Share Posted April 25, 2015 Really, the only viable option for a Labour/SNP coalition would be to quit your job and reap in the benefits of other peoples hard work. Societies should not reward malfunctioning members of society, I will never fathom anyone who votes Labour purely for that reason. Socialism doesn't work, socialism propped up by nationalism... well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stoke_Gifford_Red Posted April 25, 2015 Report Share Posted April 25, 2015 Not as serious as some of the other debate on this thread, but this story is football relatrd and made me chuckle: http://gu.com/p/47p33 Basically David Cameron has previously professed to be a big Aston Villa fan, yet earlier on today had a "brain fade" and instead thought he supported West Ham. The excuse the Conservative spin people are saying for him getting mixed up is because Villa and West Ham have similar colour kits! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joe jordans teeth Posted April 25, 2015 Report Share Posted April 25, 2015 Nothing wrong with that,I often get confused who I support,is it City or bayern munich Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Portland Bill Posted April 25, 2015 Report Share Posted April 25, 2015 I was born to mid-teenage parents. They took responsibility for their actions by working long hours in jobs they hated to make sure I had a roof over my head and food on the table. They didn't expect society to foot the bill for their decisions and its a mentality I've grown up with. Course there are other circumstances, ie being in a job for 30 years with 3 kids. I'm leaving my job next week as there is talk of it not lasting till Christmas, so I've jumped ship and gone elsewhere to take responsibility for paying my mortgage and keeping the wife and dog fed. I don't have kids, she wants them but I've told her we need to be financially secure first and she accepts that. Simple, don't have 3 kids if there is a possibility you can't afford them until they leave home one day. Sorry if it's not what you want to hear / read but it's real life.... If taxes were lower, people can put away more of their own cash to support themselves in circumstances such as this. Unfortunately 'real life' also creates a lot of children that aren't planned. As for taxes, the very first thing this Tory led Government did was to raise VAT to 20%. VAT is the most unequal tax of all, and the Tories are the only political party that have ever put it up. Re mortgages, I and many others had to put up with mortgage rates of 15% ( yes 15 %) under Thatcher in the early 90's. That was the reality of real life back then,and I won't ever forgive them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
screech Posted April 25, 2015 Report Share Posted April 25, 2015 Unfortunately 'real life' also creates a lot of children that aren't planned. As for taxes, the very first thing this Tory led Government did was to raise VAT to 20%. VAT is the most unequal tax of all, and the Tories are the only political party that have ever put it up. Re mortgages, I and many others had to put up with mortgage rates of 15% ( yes 15 %) under Thatcher in the early 90's. That was the reality of real life back then,and I won't ever forgive them. Will Labour come in and reduce VAT back down to 17.5% though Bill, if it's such a nasty Tory policy. You know as well as I do they wont. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Portland Bill Posted April 25, 2015 Report Share Posted April 25, 2015 Will Labour come in and reduce VAT back down to 17.5% though Bill, if it's such a nasty Tory policy. You know as well as I do they wont. I really don't know, I do know that Labour have never put it up. The Tories originally introduced it and are the only party to ever put it up. Cameron stated in 2010 that they would not raise it,then did a few weeks later,he has said the same in this election campaign.......... The Lib Dems used campaign posters in 2010 saying 'no rise in VAT' , shameless the pair of them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Henry Posted April 25, 2015 Report Share Posted April 25, 2015 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stoke_Gifford_Red Posted April 25, 2015 Report Share Posted April 25, 2015 Put down the daily mail for a second. How about paying them to clean the streets? If not its pretty much slavery Do you realise people on jsa take up a tiny proportion of the current welfare bill? The vast majority goes on pensions and oaps and sometimes even the vulnerable members of society who are too ill to work Bit out of date but this includes a chart which shows that very point: http://gu.com/p/3dv4q Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Esmond Million's Bung Posted April 25, 2015 Report Share Posted April 25, 2015 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red-Robbo Posted April 25, 2015 Report Share Posted April 25, 2015 or perhaps a proper investigation into the tax affairs of Patricia Hodge MP and her family business, which seems to be very murky to say the least and she's the one spearheading labours policy of these companies paying the correct amount of tax on their profit. Was it 0.01% tax on company profits?. Patricia Hodge is an actress, not an MP. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Esmond Million's Bung Posted April 25, 2015 Report Share Posted April 25, 2015 Patricia Hodge is an actress, not an MP. You are correct, amended, but she's a pretty good actress as well, I loved her in the HSBC chronicles the other week. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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