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Aussie Posted May 1, 2015 Report Share Posted May 1, 2015 We spoke the other day on this too. While life is very nice in South Oxfordshire. It sure don't come cheap / and with two kids school fees coming up.... Hence why paying more tax and getting absolutely zero back for it isn't greedy - it's just common sense. Like I said I already think I pay too much now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Aussie Posted May 1, 2015 Report Share Posted May 1, 2015 The answer isn't to squeeze those of us in the middle incomes though is it? There are many ways of doing things but Milliband to me represents bad old "tax and spend" socialism and it won't work. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Portland Bill Posted May 1, 2015 Report Share Posted May 1, 2015 Another one! He's certainly feeling the pressure! http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/generalelection/david-cameron-makes-another-gaffe-this-election-is-all-about-my-career-sorry-i-mean-country-10218341.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Portland Bill Posted May 1, 2015 Report Share Posted May 1, 2015 The answer isn't to squeeze those of us in the middle incomes though is it? There are many ways of doing things but Milliband to me represents bad old "tax and spend" socialism and it won't work. To be honest, I wouldn't call you a middle income earner paying 63k tax. I would call you rich. Why don't you spare a thought for the people who are really struggling and can only dream of earning in a year,what you pay yearly in tax. You come across as a typical Tory, it sounds like, I'm ok,sod the rest of you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aussie Posted May 1, 2015 Report Share Posted May 1, 2015 That's kind of my point. I'm not rich - but the likes of a Labour Government would say we are. Two children, only one of us working, mortgage, cars etc. Rich people don't budget. They live with ease. We don't. Hence why I can't support a party who would make us hand over even more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Portland Bill Posted May 1, 2015 Report Share Posted May 1, 2015 That's kind of my point. I'm not rich - but the likes of a Labour Government would say we are. Two children, only one of us working, mortgage, cars etc. Rich people don't budget. They live with ease. We don't. Hence why I can't support a party who would make us hand over even more. I earn less than half what you pay in tax each year! Mortgage,car, 2 children. But I feel for people who are worse of than me, unfortunately the Tory party doesn't. I'm happy to pay more tax if we can get a more equal society. We have people paying a bedroom tax, but at the same time we have millionaires getting tax cuts,where's the fairness in that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carey 6 Posted May 1, 2015 Report Share Posted May 1, 2015 Has anyone been on voteforpolicies.org.uk yet? As a 21 year old with no idea on who to vote for, i thought i'd give it ago. First time round i only selected 4 categories, and it was little help when my results came back 25% UKIP, Labour, Conservative and Green! I've just re-done it, this time selecting all the issues, and i've ended up with 40% UKIP, really surprised me. I also suggest if you do decide to use that website, click 'Yes, I'd suggest these policies' and then pick which one out of the 5 at the end, it's much quicker! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red-Robbo Posted May 1, 2015 Report Share Posted May 1, 2015 And of course Bill, it isn't just abstract people worse off than us - it's generations worse off than us. If I'd even entertained the notion for a micro-second of voting Conservative in this election, Cameron's "big idea" of selling off even more social housing at below cost-price dissipated that thought. The housing crisis is one of the hugest problems this country faces. Already it is virtually impossible for young people in London to buy a home of any sort unless they come from a very wealthy family. The same is increasingly true through much of the south-east and East Anglia, and it is starting to come true in Bristol and the West Country. 11 million people who say they want to buy are forced to rent. 5 million adult children are forced to live with their parents. Removing affordable housing at the bottom of the housing ladder will massively exacerbate this problem and drive house prices up even higher. It's a massive v-sign to the young, including my daughters and your kids Aussie. How will they ever be able to enjoy what we have, unless this problem is sorted? The "I'm alright Jack" attitude harms our own. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Esmond Million's Bung Posted May 1, 2015 Report Share Posted May 1, 2015 That's kind of my point. I'm not rich - but the likes of a Labour Government would say we are. Two children, only one of us working, mortgage, cars etc. Rich people don't budget. They live with ease. We don't. Hence why I can't support a party who would make us hand over even more. Do what I most Labour candidates will be doing use the existing loopholes, trusts and tax avoidance schemes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stoke_Gifford_Red Posted May 1, 2015 Report Share Posted May 1, 2015 The answer isn't to squeeze those of us in the middle incomes though is it? There are many ways of doing things but Milliband to me represents bad old "tax and spend" socialism and it won't work. Since when can the top 1% be classed as "the middle". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Esmond Million's Bung Posted May 1, 2015 Report Share Posted May 1, 2015 And of course Bill, it isn't just abstract people worse off than us - it's generations worse off than us. If I'd even entertained the notion for a micro-second of voting Conservative in this election, Cameron's "big idea" of selling off even more social housing at below cost-price dissipated that thought. The housing crisis is one of the hugest problems this country faces. Already it is virtually impossible for young people in London to buy a home of any sort unless they come from a very wealthy family. The same is increasingly true through much of the south-east and East Anglia, and it is starting to come true in Bristol and the West Country. 11 million people who say they want to buy are forced to rent. 5 million adult children are forced to live with their parents. Removing affordable housing at the bottom of the housing ladder will massively exacerbate this problem and drive house prices up even higher. It's a massive v-sign to the young, including my daughters and your kids Aussie. How will they ever be able to enjoy what we have, unless this problem is sorted? The "I'm alright Jack" attitude harms our own. 33 years since the UK has had a socialist government?. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red-Robbo Posted May 1, 2015 Report Share Posted May 1, 2015 33 years since the UK has had a socialist government?. That doesn't really have anything to do with what I was saying though. You could well argue that Labour has been a social democratic party playing lip-service to socialism since Gaitskell's time. Many on the Left would. The point is I don't care what sort of government does something to tackle the housing affordability crisis - it needs to be addressed. It's a vast elephant in the room that we have priced 95% of young people out of home-ownership. So, I don't care who tackles it. I just won't vote for a party that makes it worse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Portland Bill Posted May 1, 2015 Report Share Posted May 1, 2015 33 years since the UK has had a socialist government?. Very true, all I want is a more caring government. A government who care about the majority of the people rather than the few at the top. Unfortunately the Tory voters don't feel the same. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Esmond Million's Bung Posted May 1, 2015 Report Share Posted May 1, 2015 That doesn't really have anything to do with what I was saying though. You could well argue that Labour has been a social democratic party playing lip-service to socialism since Gaitskell's time. Many on the Left would. The point is I don't care what sort of government does something to tackle the housing affordability crisis - it needs to be addressed. It's a vast elephant in the room that we have priced 95% of young people out of home-ownership. So, I don't care who tackles it. I just won't vote for a party that makes it worse. Well that certainly wasn't the last labour government. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Esmond Million's Bung Posted May 1, 2015 Report Share Posted May 1, 2015 Very true, all I want is a more caring government. A government who care about the majority of the people rather than the few at the top. Unfortunately the Tory voters don't feel the same. and by the same token many people haven't forgiven the last labour government and Ed is not popular, labour should be romping this election. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red-Robbo Posted May 2, 2015 Report Share Posted May 2, 2015 Well that certainly wasn't the last labour government. Or John Major's or etc etc. The roots of the crisis date back to Thatcher in her naked bribe to those lucky enough to be in nice council accommodation made for electoral advantage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Esmond Million's Bung Posted May 2, 2015 Report Share Posted May 2, 2015 Or John Major's or etc etc. The roots of the crisis date back to Thatcher in her naked bribe to those lucky enough to be in nice council accommodation made for electoral advantage. and labour had 15 years to reverse things but just carried on in the same tory vein. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red-Robbo Posted May 2, 2015 Report Share Posted May 2, 2015 and by the same token many people haven't forgiven the last labour government and Ed is not popular, labour should be romping this election. Forgiven for what, Es? Being in office when a world financial crisis hit? Money was borrowed rapidly to stop our banks from collapsing domino style (a move that received all-party backing) and that pushed Britain's national debt from 36% of GDP to 49% of GDP and made the existing deficit (in place since the 60s) worse. Since then, under Osborne's "economic miracle" © the Tory Press, debt to GDP has risen to 79%. So more has been borrowed than under Labour, despite the fact that most of the public have faced austerity (and many job cuts) from a government that has benefited by being able to access cheap credit and having a short-lived growth spurt on the back of a falling oil market, which had nothing to do with them. That toxic legacy wasn't mentioned by the fat Yorkshire Tories on Question Time last night, yet it will haunt this country for years, no matter who wins power. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red-Robbo Posted May 2, 2015 Report Share Posted May 2, 2015 and labour had 15 years to reverse things but just carried on in the same tory vein. Well it did stop the sales. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Esmond Million's Bung Posted May 2, 2015 Report Share Posted May 2, 2015 Forgiven for what, Es? Being in office when a world financial crisis hit? Money was borrowed rapidly to stop our banks from collapsing domino style (a move that received all-party backing) and that pushed Britain's national debt from 36% of GDP to 49% of GDP and made the existing deficit (in place since the 60s) worse. Since then, under Osborne's "economic miracle" © the Tory Press, debt to GDP has risen to 79%. So more has been borrowed that under Labour, despite the fact that most of the public have faced austerity (and many job cuts) from a government that has benefited by being able to access cheap credit and having a short-lived growth spurt on the back of a falling oil market, which had nothing to do with them. That toxic legacy wasn't mentioned by the fat Yorkshire Tories on Question Time last night, yet it will haunt this country for years, no matter who wins power. Forgiven for abandoning any sense of socialism. Labour should be creaming this election, this should be 1997 mk2, so the electorate are not as convinced as you are. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Esmond Million's Bung Posted May 2, 2015 Report Share Posted May 2, 2015 Well it did stop the sales. What a socialist legacy to be proud of that is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Esmond Million's Bung Posted May 2, 2015 Report Share Posted May 2, 2015 Here in France house building and buying is simple. The council either owns or buys the land, the land is sold off in various sized plots, having bought your plot, you then look through a catalogue of different priced houses and choose the house you can afford, the infrastructure (electricity, drainage, roads, pavements, street lighting and even planting of trees) goes in before building starts and various approved builders carry out the individual builds not one developer and there is a time limit on building once the plot is bought, to stop developers sitting on land. and the plots are generous, you do not end up with a so called estate detached house that you have walk sideways down to get to your postage stamp back garden. There are very few completely property developer led housing developments, they seem to be more prevalent in the bigger Cities and coastal areas and tend to be apartment blocks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Scrumpylegs Posted May 2, 2015 Report Share Posted May 2, 2015 Here in France house building and buying is simple. The council either owns or buys the land, the land is sold off in various sized plots, having bought your plot, you then look through a catalogue of different priced houses and choose the house you can afford, the infrastructure (electricity, drainage, roads, pavements, street lighting and even planting of trees) goes in before building starts and various approved builders carry out the individual builds not one developer and there is a time limit on building once the plot is bought, to stop developers sitting on land. and the plots are generous, you do not end up with a so called estate detached house that you have walk sideways down to get to your postage stamp back garden. There are very few completely property developer led housing developments, they seem to be more prevalent in the bigger Cities and coastal areas and tend to be apartment blocks. Ah France. A country with a strong Socialist government. I didn't have you down as much of a fan TBH! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Portland Bill Posted May 2, 2015 Report Share Posted May 2, 2015 Yeh how damn you work hard and be a success,not allowed in this country Well, I started work at 6am this morning,I'm working hard ( except at this very moment!), but i'm not seeing any kind of massive benefit from it. Just treading water is what I and millions of others are doing. I guess working hard in your eyes is sitting behind a desk, paying the workforce a pittance and creaming the profits! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joe jordans teeth Posted May 2, 2015 Report Share Posted May 2, 2015 No ,I would love to sit behind a desk doing nowt tho,it is what it is tho and has been since the beginning of time,it's nothing new,you can just be bitter all your life or just except it,I'm off for a drive in my veyron now(I wish :laugh:) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
screech Posted May 2, 2015 Report Share Posted May 2, 2015 Well, I started work at 6am this morning,I'm working hard ( except at this very moment!), but i'm not seeing any kind of massive benefit from it. Just treading water is what I and millions of others are doing. I guess working hard in your eyes is sitting behind a desk, paying the workforce a pittance and creaming the profits! That's pretty much how we are treated by all politicians. We are the worker ants and some posh kids slave. Keep working and be grateful for that pissy amount you receive, while the posh kids find more ways to hide their vast wealth away so they get to keep more for themselves and their families. Be honest Bill, can you tell me how much better your income, your savings, your health, your free time was under a Labour government compared to a Tory one. I don't vote because it matters not one tiny speck who gets in, they are all in it for themselves and you are not invited to the party. The sooner we all put down the Red and Blue rosettes and actually see what the REAL difference is the quicker this country may get some proper change for everybody. Arguing over who gets in to see a doctor at AE within 4 hours or 5 hours is petty small minded shit that fills our daily lives, it's meaningless, they are both shit. What you have on offer is a choice for a dog turd with a red or blue sticker on, remove the coloured sticker and see the dog turd for what it is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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